Baz Extension

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not saying you are wrong Snake, but I have posted what I have been told by someone that speaks with Moylon almost on a daily basis. I agree with your comment about not making stuff up. I am always reluctant myself to post such information but I felt people on here were getting a bit excited so I shared. I won't post anything further on the Moylan matter and I don't think I will share in future, in the unlikely chance I come into such information. You would think the Cafegate incident would have taught me to keep things to myself, but it seems I'm not that smart.

I prefer it when you aren’t that smart!

It’s far more fun.

 

[pjayz]

They'll find a middle ground that works for all and get it done. As soon as Madge signs a multi year deal with the Titans Baz loses all hand.

But anyway @Snake let me remind you - once again, if you are lying...

I don't know which is scarier - the snake or that mullet?

 

[Snake]

Not saying you are wrong Snake, but I have posted what I have been told by someone that speaks with Moylon almost on a daily basis. I agree with your comment about not making stuff up. I am always reluctant myself to post such information but I felt people on here were getting a bit excited so I shared. I won't post anything further on the Moylan matter and I don't think I will share in future, in the unlikely chance I come into such information. You would think the Cafegate incident would have taught me to keep things to myself, but it seems I'm not that smart.

Yeah I know what you mean mate...
Look for all we know, Moylan's management were telling Penrith one thing and the other prospective clubs something else entirely...that is extremely plausible given we know Moylan never actually asked for a formal release so makes sense to play his cards close to his chest until push came to shove.

The thing that stands out to me is this...why would Penrith need to slap a $250k transfer fee onto a player that is apparently happy, content and looking forward to being a one club player? That's the part that really points to Moylan clearly being unhappy. A happy player does not require a penalty for staying at a club that he is already signed to and is happy to be playing for.

 

[Ralphie]

Yeah I know what you mean mate...
Look for all we know, Moylan's management were telling Penrith one thing and the other prospective clubs something else entirely...that is extremely plausible given we know Moylan never actually asked for a formal release so makes sense to play his cards close to his chest until push came to shove.

The thing that stands out to me is this...why would Penrith need to slap a $250k transfer fee onto a player that is apparently happy, content and looking forward to being a one club player? That's the part that really points to Moylan clearly being unhappy. A happy player does not require a penalty for staying at a club that he is already signed to and is happy to be playing for.

You may be right, but I don't think I said it was all happy over there. There are issues but he is a Penrith boy & wants to stay apparently. Perhaps this shopping around was a clumsy attempt to bring it all to a head. I don't know if the $250k was official or just media speculation so I can't comment on that.

Anyway, we move on & look to some announcements next week. 🙂

 

[Snake]

I don't see a long term five year contract being on offer because Manly don't have the financial resources to do so and Barrett would be silly to lock himself long term at this point of his career.

A 5 year contract is not on the table because coaches don't get signed for 5 years unless they are Craig Bellamy, not because Manly don't have the money.

 

[niccipops]

Way to alienate all the Qld feathered friends @niccipops

I live in Qld right in the bush in a little country town. I have two heads. Makes me very smart.😛

 

[Snake]

You may be right, but I don't think I said it was all happy over there. There are issues but he is a Penrith boy & wants to stay apparently. Perhaps this shopping around was a clumsy attempt to bring it all to a head. I don't know if the $250k was official or just media speculation so I can't comment on that.

Anyway, we move on & look to some announcements next week. 🙂

All good points...I get the feeling there would certainly be a degree of wanting to try and make things work because he was certainly happy enough to sign a 750k 4 year deal only last year. He has only ever played for Penrith so makes sense that he would have some pretty close ties to certain aspects of the clubs culture and playing group etc.

You are also correct that management may have been using other clubs as leverage to encourage the Panthers to upgrade Moylan's contract. Naturally Penrith do not want to upgrade his deal because (a) he just signed the bloody thing in good faith and (b) they have to keep Cleary, May and Edwards under the cap.

At the end of the day, Manly couldn't afford him under the cap anyway so best that just move on from the Moylan saga, but I thought it was an interesting turn of events just the same!

 

[NLSeaEagle]

You're 100% right...no one is really at fault or doing anything wrong, it's just classic negotiating...I just worry because Fulton and Penn won't cave and Baz doesn't really have another job on the table so hopefully it gets sorted because he is a good coach and the players like him.

You're wrong .................it's completely and totally Baz's fault (and those advising him)

He's obviously bought his own publicity and thinks he is a better coach than he actually is.
There's no way he's proven himself yet to command top dollars and make demands on the club!

Another thing that bugs me is Manly gave him the opportunity, he was a rookie coach FFS.
He should have had the class to just say let's bench an extension and talk again in July/August 2018 (after we see how season 3 goes) instead of being a money grabbing f***ing grub!!!

After all this sh*t, I really hope he goes! No great loss!

 

[Moops]

The posters saying that Baz hasn't achieved much so he must accept what is offered are only partly correct. Isn't it also the job of the club to give him the resources to work with? The players provided by the club are at the level to be expected - middle of the road/average/8th. People who believe otherwise are seriously over-rating our list. And don't forget, he has inherited this team after a dysfunctional couple of years. Certainly not of his doing.

 

[Bearfax]

He's done as well as Des did in his first two years and probably better. And if you look at the players Des had available, compared with what Barrett has had to work with, I'd say Barrett is just ahead on points. He looks the goods to me.

 

[NLSeaEagle]

He's done as well as Des did in his first two years and probably better. And if you look at the players Des had available, compared with what Barrett has had to work with, I'd say Barrett is just ahead on points

Yeah sure ........but giving in to Baz's demands after a season where we scraped into the 8 and bombed out week 1 of the finals will send the wrong message..............we are Manly, our ambitions are slightly greater than where he's from (the Dragons)

And regarding the players Baz had this year, i'm of the opinion he has in fact not used them well or developed them.

- Turbo was making more errors at the end of the season than the start
- Lussick was still a moron
- Api was still the only player following up Kapow waiting for an upload
- no one was running decoys
- defensively the team was woeful
- etc etc etc

 

[Snake]

The posters saying that Baz hasn't achieved much so he must accept what is offered are only partly correct. Isn't it also the job of the club to give him the resources to work with? The players provided by the club are at the level to be expected - middle of the road/average/8th. People who believe otherwise are seriously over-rating our list. And don't forget, he has inherited this team after a dysfunctional couple of years. Certainly not of his doing.

I certainly don't think he has achieved nothing, he has done really well with what he has and I personally hope he stays but at the same time I don't really see that he is in a position to demand too much. He would have jumped at an upgrade after a 13th place finish at the end of the last year. He has an NRL head coaching job for the next 3-4 years if he wants it...if he has to play ball with Bozo, well so be it.

 

[Bearfax]

NLSeaEagle I'm no coach. I can only rely on outcomes. Barrett got this team into 6th spot. Hasler in his second year got them into 8th. Hasler had the following players in his team that year.

Brett Stewart
Scott Donald
Steve Matai
Terry Hill
John Hopoate
Chris Hicks
Steve Menzies
Glenn Stewart
Anthony Watmough
Ben Kennedy
Brent Kite
Jason King

They had Monaghan at half. A lot of top talent there dont you think. Now the players they have now may become as good as that lot, but like them, the players we see today are just good prospects. Will they be as good as that lot though.

 

[NLSeaEagle]

NLSeaEagle I'm no coach. I can only rely on outcomes. Barrett got this team into 6th spot. Hasler in his second year got them into 8th. Hasler had the following players in his team that year.

Brett Stewart
Scott Donald
Steve Matai
Terry Hill
John Hopoate
Chris Hicks
Steve Menzies
Glenn Stewart
Anthony Watmough
Ben Kennedy
Brent Kite
Jason King

They had Monaghan at half. A lot of top talent there dont you think. Now the players they have now may become as good as that lot, but like them, the players we see today are just good prospects. Will they be as good as that lot though.

I have to be honest, I dont remember much of that season but trusty RLP also tells me

Brett - aged 20 - played 24 games
Gelnn - aged 21 - played 3 games
Matai - aged 21 - played 11 games
Watmough - aged 22 - played 18 games

Hoppa played 2 games that year

You cant judge the 2005 team by the players that these guys became later...........

(side note, this brings me on to one of my pet peeves in Blake Green.................whats was the difference between Hasler's early teams and the 2006, 2007 & 2008 teams..............the arrival and impact of a 2nd top class playmaker!)

 

[NLSeaEagle]

Let's not forget based on our squad and pre season recruitment, early we were one of the favourites for the 2016 season!
What did Baz do with that squad who the pundits/rugby league professionals rated so highly?

Feb, 2016

2016 NRL Premiership Odds
$5.00 Brisbane Broncos
$8.00 North Queensland Cowboys
$8.00 New Zealand Warriors
$9.00 Manly Sea Eagles
$13.00 Sydney Roosters
$14.00 Melbourne Storm
$15.00 Cronulla Sharks
$15.00 South Sydney
$15.00 Parramatta Eels
$17.00 Canterbury Bulldogs
$21.00 Penrith Panthers
$26.00 Canberra Raiders
$34.00 St George Illawarra Dragons
$81.00 Newcastle Knights
$101.00 Wests Tigers
$201.00 Gold Coast Titans

 

[Bearfax]

Not disputing that point NL and I alluded to it by pointing out that todays players 'may' become as good as that lot became. But the team we have at present is no different regarding experience, perhaps even less so. Tom and Jake T, Kelly, Walker, Sironen, Perrett, Lane, Cullen, Hastings, Fonua Blake etc are all under 25, some well under that age, with years of development yet before they achieve their potential. That will be exacerbated with players like Parker, Anderson, Tom Wright, Funa, Fainu etc coming through the ranks. The assessment of Manly being a top side in '16 was a ridiculous judgement given the chaos the side and club were in. Any coach that can get through those obstacles has my vote.

 

[Moops]

Let's not forget based on our squad and pre season recruitment, early we were one of the favourites for the 2016 season!
What did Baz do with that squad who the pundits/rugby league professionals rated so highly?

Feb, 2016

2016 NRL Premiership Odds
$5.00 Brisbane Broncos
$8.00 North Queensland Cowboys
$8.00 New Zealand Warriors
$9.00 Manly Sea Eagles
$13.00 Sydney Roosters
$14.00 Melbourne Storm
$15.00 Cronulla Sharks
$15.00 South Sydney
$15.00 Parramatta Eels
$17.00 Canterbury Bulldogs
$21.00 Penrith Panthers
$26.00 Canberra Raiders
$34.00 St George Illawarra Dragons
$81.00 Newcastle Knights
$101.00 Wests Tigers
$201.00 Gold Coast Titans

LOL!! Pundits...experts!

Most of the experts/pundits in the NRL wouldn't know their arse to their face. There are numerous examples. Tallis, Lockyer and Geyer are just a few examples. Should I continue?

 

[Shoe1]

Let's not forget based on our squad and pre season recruitment, early we were one of the favourites for the 2016 season!
What did Baz do with that squad who the pundits/rugby league professionals rated so highly?

Feb, 2016

2016 NRL Premiership Odds
$5.00 Brisbane Broncos
$8.00 North Queensland Cowboys
$8.00 New Zealand Warriors
$9.00 Manly Sea Eagles
$13.00 Sydney Roosters
$14.00 Melbourne Storm
$15.00 Cronulla Sharks
$15.00 South Sydney
$15.00 Parramatta Eels
$17.00 Canterbury Bulldogs
$21.00 Penrith Panthers
$26.00 Canberra Raiders
$34.00 St George Illawarra Dragons
$81.00 Newcastle Knights
$101.00 Wests Tigers
$201.00 Gold Coast Titans

Odds are funny things. If lots of people put money on a team the odds get shorter, if hardly anyone does they get longer right? Do odds have much to do with the actual quality of the team or are they a reflection of betting patterns. Or an enticement to bet?

 

[damiennp90]

We done even know what he's on or asking for.

He's on less than $400,000 I know that so let's say 300.

I doubt he's asking for a million. Probably closer to half a mill.

Let's not forget DCE was a money hungry man whore not long ago.

And in my view players have a longer chance to stay in the game. There's not many head coaches. Plus they can get sacked anytime.

 

[Jerry1]

He's not worth a bag on mealworms let alone half a mil..