Bah bah sacked and De Belin charged

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  1. BOZO

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    This is the problem Greenburg has too much power and next to no accountability and just makes it up as he goes. A player is entitled to procedural fairness and natural justice and that has been denied here. There needs to be transparent published riles and regulations for preregistering a a player and a definition of the matters that are considered to be sufficient. For the life of me I can't see how Lodge can be permitted to play when Carney and Barba not.
     
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    • MadMarcus

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        Double standards . That is the way it looks and TG is also a bad look for the game .
         
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          They reckon this is only the top 5 . Would any one from your list make the top 5 ?
           
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          Matters such as this should not be up to the discretion of one individual. Even if it isn’t the case, it can appear as though personal bias is being applied and there’s bound to be inequality in dealing with cases that are likely to be circumstantially different. Unfortunately the NRL continues to make things up and it goes and dig bigger holes for itself. It’s as though the people in charge have never been part of a legitimate organisation with proper policies and procedures.

          At the moment Todd Greenberg rules over the game like a dictator - he has given himself far too much power all under the guise of discretion. While this is the case, people are going to claim to be hard done by in the very least. It’s also a concern that there are reports of certain individuals having the ability to influence his discretion due to dirt or power over him.
           
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            Because it was the Broncos and Bennet.
             
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              By:Eagle of LondonFeb 6, 2019
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              Given it's barba how good would it be if the dog bit its masters hand. Given their bulldogs link one can only hope barba may have some dirt from his younger days of greenturd trying to keep things quiet.
              We co7ld only hope.
               
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                Todd would find a way to silence him... Same as he did with the Parra player managers that never received punishment....
                 
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                Ben Barba assaulted his wife/significant other (I am not sure (nor care) of their "status") and was recorded on CCTV. There seems no doubt of that.
                His is the first DV case since Greenturd/ Beathead made their "line in the sand" claim for all women, on behalf of the NRL .
                End of facts.

                Now I think Greenslime and Beatscrub certainly jumped the #ustoo bandwagon with gusto, but the rule was laid out clearly by the "el presidentes".

                Ben needs help; but has to go. And the game needs to move on.
                His wife and kids are victims of choice and circumstances. And it is sad.

                The kids will not have the best $'s a footballer can give them anymore, but they can still have a great Dad if he chooses to be one.
                The wife/gf has made her choices over a long period of time, and I have to respect those that she made based on her own decisions and wish her well.

                No winners here, but there are plenty that would like the opportunity to have 4 kids, a loving wife and a husband.
                 
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                  completely agree apart from the no winners part. Barba's wife and kids will be the only losers.

                  once again Greenturd will no doubt come out smelling like roses as he always does.
                   
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                  Depends how you measure “bad boy” I guess and whether you include post footy career but the below 5 have done worse things than Carney, Monaghan & Dugan imo.

                  Craig Field
                  John Elias
                  Russell Packer
                  John Touma
                  John Hopoate
                   
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                    By:40 years an eagleFeb 7, 2019
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                    Well said

                    Unfortunately Greenturd appears to be placing the "damage to the game" road at a higher position than the welfare of the collateral involved, and as usual, "special" cases will be treated "differently". Surprise, surprise!

                    All MWSE supporters should be prepared to be without Dylan for an extended period without any relief of his 600k cap drain.

                    it feels that this new hard-line public stance has maybe been orchestrated to levy the heaviest penalty possible to MWSE via Dylan's event.

                    I am in no way condoning Dylans' behavior if in deed he crossed the line but would prefer to be able to dump and replace him monetarily if guilty.

                    It doesn't get any better in Greenturd ideology...blame Manly and make them suffer!
                     
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                      For all your factless innuendo about Walker. It really isn't a surprise that you would write a factless rant about myself.
                       
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                      • Chip and Chase

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                        Monaghan’s effort was hardly worthy of a top 5 list, all those you mention have done far worse. Add Paul carter to that list as well.
                         
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                        • The Who

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                          Greenturd's decision to ban Barba from the NRL poses an interesting conundrum for those players still facing charges, such as Debellin and Walker.
                          Just say they are found guilty in a court of law and punishments are handed down. What will Greenturd do?
                          Remember these alleged incidents were pre-Barba. They were in a time when players were not barred from playing NRL, Lodge being a perfect example.
                          Can/Will/Should Greenturd be able to impose a retrospective 'law' on Debellin and Walker?
                          Surely they would be able to legally argue that the 'Barba-law' was not in force when the allegedly committed their alleged incidents.
                          Banning a player for life from his profession is a punishment far greater than any court would consider.
                          Thoughts?
                           
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                            Assault against women shouldn't be tolerated in our game regardless of when they commited the crime.

                            Draw a line in the and and keep it.

                            Plenty of other professions to choose from if you choose to assault women in your spare time.
                             
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                              I doubt it, although as I posted elsewhere I would expect the players association to arc up if penalties seem arbitrary, and they are certainly capable of exerting pressure through means other than the courts.
                              As for DeBellin, if he is found guilty then forget it, his career would be kaput regardless of new NRL policies re suspension.
                               
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                              • The Who

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                                No argument there. But the nub of my question is:
                                Can laws/rules be retrospective?
                                DeBellin is, I understand, a 'cleanskin'. Allegedly he has committed an alleged offence before the Greenturd 'line in the sand' was drawn, so surely it can't apply.
                                Barba has had multiple chances. He has used up his chances. But to ban a player for life who is a 'cleanskin' because of a retrospective edict from Greenturd is wrong. Surely.
                                Let's dumb the argument down. You commit an offense of using a mobile phone whilst driving. Before you are sentenced the Government imposed a law that meant you'd be banned from driving for, say, two years.
                                How would you feel if your offence was judged retrospectively?
                                 
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                                • Batty

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                                  You still committed the offence. Punishments will always change.... You cop the punishment that's considered suitable at the time of sentencing.
                                   
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