Bah bah sacked and De Belin charged

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  1. Mal Cochrane

    By:Mal CochraneFeb 10, 2019
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    Agree, you cant for example say if i knew i was putting myself in a position of being perm suspended by nrl, i would not have assaulted/sexually assaulted/intimidated /abused that woman
     
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      Makes me wonder how much undeclared money has changed hands....hush money.
       
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        So, if the Government brought in Capital Punishment after you committed a serious crime and were awaiting sentencing you'd expect to be put to death?
         
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          I find it completly bewildering ... that there actually exists .... people that claim to be part of a sentient species that believe that Walker should be ...

          .. banned from playing Rugby League for life, a financial hit of approx $6 million dollars for ..... pulling his partners hair .......

          FMD ...
           
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            By:manlyfan76Feb 11, 2019
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            Well he hasn't been pulling his weight lately.
             
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            Banned for life? No. But if the club sacks him, I won’t shed a tear - the ‘hair-pulling’, as you put it (allegedly vigorous enough for her to end up on the ground, sustaining abrasions, while holding a 4 month old infant), is an escalation of his previous DV incident, where he punched a door to intimidate/express his fury at the same woman. I’d rather he be someone else’s problem when he gets to the Barba/Robert Lui stage of development, thanks all the same.

            It’s very rare for domestic abusers to change their ways, unless something drastic happens. You do occasionally see people involved in a one-off that shocks them
            enough to never do it again (if what you hear about AFB and his partner is true, one of those cases). Once the pattern of violent tantrums and lashing out at your domestic partner is established, though, there’s little chance it’s going to do anything but continue, and most likely escalate. The circuit breaker then needs to be something huge, either in terms of legal/financial penalty, or an abrupt end to the relationship, sometimes your kids hating you.

            Hopefully his missus realises, and gets the hell out without wasting another decade or so, and bringing several other kids into the mess a la Ainslie Currie. That’s the saddest thing about the whole Barba saga - his girls are old enough now that they’ll realise and remember what he’s done to their mum, and it will affect them their whole lives. Get out while the kids are little enough, and it doesn’t have to be that way.
             
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              Don't whack your missus. Think that's an important take home from all this.
               
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                By:WoodsieFeb 11, 2019
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                Recently, at a beach far far away ... I was on patrol, and was the designated First Aid officer ... I watched nonchalantly as a snorkler lifted himself onto the southern rocks and casually walked the 300m to the club house ... "got a band aid he asked"

                After washing his foot, I found he had a couple of small, but narly lacerations, none serious or requiring sutures ... but ugly little cuts .... "What happened old mate" ..... "stepped on a bloody Wobbygong" he answered ....

                Well, as you do I had to go through the process and fill out the incident report and advise Surfcom etc .......

                2 days later the front page of the local rag lead with the headline "Shark attack at local beach" ......

                My point .... not all shark attacks are equal ...
                 
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                  Every thing you say about DV is 100% statistically accurate ..... but you cannot convict somebody on statistical likehood .....

                  you say "is an escalation of his previous DV incident, where he punched a door to intimidate/express his fury at the same woman." ... do you know that this was what happened or guessing ? Pretty serious accusation ...

                  I'm all for accountability and punishment .... just want it to be proportinate to the offense ....

                  ... and comparing Walker to Barba at this stage is like comparing my shark attack to a white pointer shark attack ..... ..
                   
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                  At the time, the reports about the door incident were ‘injured his hand when he punched a door during an argument with his girlfriend’. So whether he consciously knew that’s *why* he was doing it, then yeah, intimidation or expression of rage (or a delightful combo of both) is the reason people do that. I can’t think of any positive reason for doing it?

                  And no, you can’t convict based on statistical likelihood of where he’s heading. What you can do, as a professional sporting organisation, is do your due diligence and risk assessment, and decide you’d rather be well away from the firing range when bigger sh*t goes down. Given that Mr Walker’s contract hasn’t been extended at this point (and it could’ve been, prior to this incident, had both parties wanted it), I’d say there’s someone at the club doing exactly that.
                   
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                    My question is: is Greenturd's "line in the sand ban for DV" going to be enforced if Walker/DeBellin are found to have done something wrong?
                    Can you have such a serious blanket punishment for every DV instance, or will there be some flexibility depending on the circumstances, such as a first offender (as I understand DeBellin may be)?
                     
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                    De Belin is a different kettle of fish though - being a sexual offence, with the victim a virtual stranger. I’d expect it will be dealt with differently than the DV offences, and rightly so. ‘Cleanskin’ probably carries less weight, if anything, for that category of offence.

                    Just quietly, the reputation he has in these parts (I live and work in the Illawarra) is lovely bloke off the p*ss, thinks he’s God’s gift to women on it. Might be the first time he’s been dobbed in to the authorities for it, won’t be the first time he’s done something along these lines...
                     
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                      Ok, I will have a crack at answering this.

                      For De Ballin, the answer is simple. If he is found guilty of what he is charged with, he will be serving time. Easy for the NRL there.

                      For Walker, I am sure that the new hardline stance will be taken to him if found guilty. The NRL has always had the discretion to impose whatever penalty it deems appropriate (within the bounds of the law). Given the NRL’s discretion, I don’t see the law preventing the NRL taking the new hardline stance notwithstanding that it was announced after the alleged incident.

                      As for the new hardline stance, I am with Woodsie. All punishment must be proportionate. How that falls with Dylan should only be determined by what facts the DPP can prove in court.
                       
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                      • Mal Cochrane

                        By:Mal CochraneFeb 11, 2019
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                        Well, if I murdered someone, of course "I" would complain that the rules changed after i killed someone and cut up the corpse, placed parts around Sydney and sent the cops cryptic clues, but i am sure everyone on Silvertails, the victims family and friends, and public in general wouldn't give a stuff and want me dead.
                         
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                          Except the DPP aren't prosecuting Walker, the police are. The DPP generally prosecute those more serious charges (such as DeBellin and Hayne are facing) that have to end up in the higher courts. Walker's matter is staying in the Local Court.
                           
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                            Something similar, but in a different situation happened to my dad years ago. He was working in a factory with one of those old industrial presses (think Sylvester on the swing trying to get Tweety Bird when he gets flattened - that type of press). One mistimed placement later and he in the first aid room asking for a band-aid......all while the index and middle finger on his right hand were still back at the press. They were completely gone never to return. No prizes for guessing what happened.

                            The first aid officer fainted.
                             
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                              Years ago, when I was working at Timezone, a 13/14 yr old kid lined up patiently at the counter for a few minutes, got to the top of the line and paid for his ticket, then as an afterthought asked if I had a band-aid. Looked down, and there’s blood spurting out of his arm, a massive puddle around his feet. Turns out the group of kids had gone to buy drinks and snacks at the supermarket downstairs, and he promptly tripped over at the top of the escalator and fell on his glass bottle of soft drink. A fairly big chunk of the bottle was sticking out near his elbow, and his whole forearm was shredded. We were struggling to keep him awake by the time the ambulance - and his parents - turned up...needed a bit more than a band-aid, that’s for sure!

                              The young guy I was working with was apparently a bit squeamish about blood, never seen anyone turn that pale before (and he was half Indian, so that’s saying something!)
                               
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                                Damn. When I was a kid I used to jump up and down and carry on like a pork chop if I fell off my BMX and grazed my knee lol
                                 
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                                  Did your Dad's workmates start calling him clock? ...
                                   
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                                  Was that the same incident that "experts" later claimed was more likely a moray eel bite?

                                  When-a the moon hitsa your eye
                                  Like a bigga da pizza pie,
                                  That's amore...

                                  When you're a-swimming at the beach
                                  And an eel bites your feets,
                                  That's a MORAY....
                                   
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