ManEagle
Just a Man and his Eagle
A bit off topic but with all those "yea's" I read that in Randy "Macho Man" Savage' voice, made it so much more interesting.
Worst side Ever. Congratulations
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Moops
Bencher
Dragons are 2-1...I couldn't even imagine Manly being 2-1.
Moops
Bencher
Yes they would.beat our current team.
I actually would love a 56-24 game. It means we can at least score some points. As for 36-28, that would our our crowning achievement for 2021 to get that close to a team
manly al
First Grader
Challenging but you have probably done quite well . Know that we are not presently seeing the best of him but would put Suli ahead of Torrents [ even though Albert was a pretty fair footy player ] May even put Paseka ahead of Jason King even though i really liked Kingy when he was fit and firing . Chad was a good competitor but would even put Cust ahead of him now . Hard to leave out Cannings on the bench . Reuben on the wing , yeah would think there would be better available but such is footy . Reeves played some wing
qldeagle
Bencher
Mate I've followed this once great club since 1961 and I have never seen anything like this. The code has left us behind and all we are doing is making up the numbers. Redcliffe Sea Eagles with brand new owners has a nice ring to it. Watch this space.
Daddycool
Reserve Grader
I think in terms of pure player talent, it’s definitely not the worst team MWSE has ever had.
But ..... whatever word you want to use; culture, feeling, vibe or simply just attitude, this is the worst I’ve ever seen it.
When Des came back in 2019 it seemed like the old Des from the late 2000’s. The team was building nicely and just seemed to be getting better and better, until the unlucky loss to souths in the semi. 2020 was looking promising until Turbo broke down (again) in the Canberra game. From that point it’s been all downhill.
There’s lots of reasons why, we are where we are, but I can’t get past the notion that something’s up with Des. Mentally he seems off. He’s continually picking players who appear out of their depth and others clearly out of position. The game plan (I’m assuming there is one) is completely ineffectual and the players aren’t responding to it anyway.
I’ve heard over the years, commentators refer to a coach that’s “lost the dressing room” but never really gave it too much consideration. Now I understand what it looks like. Last night, the panthers looked like a team that enjoyed playing a game of footy. Most of our players looked like, they were only doing it because they were contractually obligated to.
But ..... whatever word you want to use; culture, feeling, vibe or simply just attitude, this is the worst I’ve ever seen it.
When Des came back in 2019 it seemed like the old Des from the late 2000’s. The team was building nicely and just seemed to be getting better and better, until the unlucky loss to souths in the semi. 2020 was looking promising until Turbo broke down (again) in the Canberra game. From that point it’s been all downhill.
There’s lots of reasons why, we are where we are, but I can’t get past the notion that something’s up with Des. Mentally he seems off. He’s continually picking players who appear out of their depth and others clearly out of position. The game plan (I’m assuming there is one) is completely ineffectual and the players aren’t responding to it anyway.
I’ve heard over the years, commentators refer to a coach that’s “lost the dressing room” but never really gave it too much consideration. Now I understand what it looks like. Last night, the panthers looked like a team that enjoyed playing a game of footy. Most of our players looked like, they were only doing it because they were contractually obligated to.
We should have left it like that. He should never have been brought back to the club for a second stint. His legacy as a great Manly player and coach is being tarnished irrevocably by what is happening to the club right now.
I agree with Susan. We might not have the capacity as a club to comeback from this. We might fold or we might be forced to play out of Perth in the future. I supported the Northern Eagles, but I am not sure if I could ever support a relocated Eagles team.
The reason I’m worried is not so much the footy side of this as with some decent recruiting, new coach and good youth in a few years we could start becoming competitive again.
Trouble is it takes a long time and we have a very weak members base and our crowds have always depended on success, which thankfully we have had plenty over the years.The crowd attendances this year will lead to a massive loss for the Penns. Is there a genuine suitor out there ? Maybe
Can a club survive extremely low crowds and dwindling members for an extended period in this cutthroat environment with well funded expansion teams chomping at the bit. I’m doubtful and the fact that a Sydney team exiting would allow comp without a bye team in 2023 would probably be attractive to NRL.Vlandys is someone who looks like he would not hesitate to make a hard decision if required , unlike the weaklings who preceded him.
The owners have been extremely quiet and there just seems a feel around the place of acceptance of defeat.
Centre of Excellence and stadium upgrade have to be positives I suppose. Tough days.
Trouble is it takes a long time and we have a very weak members base and our crowds have always depended on success, which thankfully we have had plenty over the years.The crowd attendances this year will lead to a massive loss for the Penns. Is there a genuine suitor out there ? Maybe
Can a club survive extremely low crowds and dwindling members for an extended period in this cutthroat environment with well funded expansion teams chomping at the bit. I’m doubtful and the fact that a Sydney team exiting would allow comp without a bye team in 2023 would probably be attractive to NRL.Vlandys is someone who looks like he would not hesitate to make a hard decision if required , unlike the weaklings who preceded him.
The owners have been extremely quiet and there just seems a feel around the place of acceptance of defeat.
Centre of Excellence and stadium upgrade have to be positives I suppose. Tough days.
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manly al
First Grader
I was a bit hopeful [ maybe more wish fill thinking for a better start ] but realistically , it was always going to be a big ask with a fairly tough opening draw and some key players out to be doing that well at this stage . Worse then expected for sure but let "s see how things go in four round "s time for instance . Just putting themselves under too much sustained pressure with that shocking mistake rate and again can seem to be competitive for short periods then combined what can only be described as sub standard overall efforts . Des called for composure [ apparently ] for the i st half and what eventuated , rushed passes , unforced errors and so on ] Was Des responsible for this , hardly but has to take the criticism for persisting with some players who should not be starting or out of position . Put Tom , Fainu , Olokau - atu , maybe even Siro off the bench and Sipley or Davey in the 17 last night and of course would be a much more competitive side . Blame all round still but just not confined to any one or specific area .
manly al
First Grader
Sea Eagles are still the only recognized N R L club on the north shore or beaches so that will always be in their favour fortunately at least , unless disaffected Manly supporters want to see some type of a North Sydney convoluted franchise replace them . Penns are not the sole owner in any case , what is their actual ownership stake now , some 70 % , apparently there has been some other interest in the past to buy their stake but that is another matter again . Would changing owners suddenly result in a big uptake in T P A "s , doubt it . Anyway still a long way to go this season , terrible start and some terrible or very ordinary form in general [ from the team or some particular individuals but surely must be able to do better , some pretty good juniors coming through , some good players to return soon . Never as bleak as it seems sometimes .
Any team with the Beaver will have heart. So yeah probably would beat the hacks we have at the moment. King and Haumono would steam over the piss ant Taupau who doesn't even want to be here.
We do have some talented Individuals.. but a team they are not.
We need to brace for whatever might happen if we lose all 25 games.
The impact on the club would be immense.
With them desperate to see another side in QLD we could very easily see our club forced to hand the licence back in ( Penn would get a payout ) and the license given to , say, the Redcliffe Dolphins.
Fans not turning up , owners not giving a **** , players not giving a **** , sponsors deserting the sinking ship.
Brace yourself , unlikely BUT could happen.
The impact on the club would be immense.
With them desperate to see another side in QLD we could very easily see our club forced to hand the licence back in ( Penn would get a payout ) and the license given to , say, the Redcliffe Dolphins.
Fans not turning up , owners not giving a **** , players not giving a **** , sponsors deserting the sinking ship.
Brace yourself , unlikely BUT could happen.
master blaster
Bencher
The thing is, in the past if we copped a flogging like that, we would bounce back the next week. Well that aint happening anymore, the bounce has gone
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frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
To be fair... I dont think @KaZa was wrong at the time...
our team's effort weeks 1-4 was unacceptable and future results do not negate that imo...
Yep clearly a few members, including myself, were guilty of premature capitulation. We of little faith. Happy to put my hand up for being wrong on Des's legacy being tarnished by the complete garbage that we all saw on field in the first four rounds. Happy also to say that on many players (Crocker, Carrick, Parker et al), I was completely wrong. Happy to also defend the passionate Manly supporters who are clearly guilty of being passionate Manly supporters. Go Manly.
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NewwyEagle
I sleep in a racing car
I've never been happier to admit how very wrong I was. Good thing coaches don't listed to us fans, eh?
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Good thing Walker, Sirro, Suli, GoJetSki and Boyle got injured too...
Harper, Sips, Keppie, Guac and schu were all missing from the R1 team... Harper came in for the R5 game and totally locked down our edge defence since... if GoJetSki did not get injured R5 then Guac probs STILL would not be in the side...
Des has got the side firing and Tom makes the whole side look good but seriously wtf was Des thinking not playing some of these guys?
I reckon the initial thread had merit based on the early season form and was almost an emotional plea crying out for improvement.
Personally felt we would not get the truth until Tom T got back on deck, but also felt the side looked flat and lacked enthusiasm, hoping we could inject the Harper, Guoc, Sipley types who have also been integral in the attitude and form improvement....as Stokesy rightly called, some of these injuries have also turned into a blessing and this is an area that should not be underestimated in the form reversal in recent times.
As for Des, the man has proved himself before and with the right blend on the field and with the dressing room obviously buying into his ways, this side is on the up....
Personally felt we would not get the truth until Tom T got back on deck, but also felt the side looked flat and lacked enthusiasm, hoping we could inject the Harper, Guoc, Sipley types who have also been integral in the attitude and form improvement....as Stokesy rightly called, some of these injuries have also turned into a blessing and this is an area that should not be underestimated in the form reversal in recent times.
As for Des, the man has proved himself before and with the right blend on the field and with the dressing room obviously buying into his ways, this side is on the up....
| Team | P | W | L | PD | Pts |
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7 | 6 | 1 | 99 | 14 |
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7 | 6 | 1 | 54 | 14 |
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7 | 5 | 2 | 36 | 12 |
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8 | 5 | 2 | 39 | 11 |
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8 | 5 | 3 | 64 | 10 |
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7 | 4 | 3 | 49 | 10 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | 73 | 8 |
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7 | 3 | 4 | 17 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -14 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -16 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -60 | 8 |
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8 | 3 | 4 | 17 | 7 |
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8 | 3 | 5 | -25 | 6 |
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7 | 2 | 5 | -55 | 6 |
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8 | 3 | 5 | -55 | 6 |
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7 | 1 | 6 | -87 | 4 |
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7 | 1 | 6 | -136 | 4 |
