Who do we bring in
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maxta
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I used to see plenty of upside to this player - Tepai Moeroa
But in reality has dropped about 5 levels and Storm could not get him playing too well.
Probs just another Kelma Tuilagi which is not a step forward.
Curren is certainly a bloke worth a look, after missing Koloamatangi who was a target....not a like for like but I reckon Curren would add thrust, speed and in the modern game help an area we have lagged in recent seasons.
But in reality has dropped about 5 levels and Storm could not get him playing too well.
Probs just another Kelma Tuilagi which is not a step forward.
Curren is certainly a bloke worth a look, after missing Koloamatangi who was a target....not a like for like but I reckon Curren would add thrust, speed and in the modern game help an area we have lagged in recent seasons.
SeaEagleSI1
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Sea Eagles 2024 Player Movements
Players are in no particular order
1.Tom Trbojevic
2.Jason Saab
3.Reuben Garrick
4.Tolutau Koula
5.Christian Tuipulotu
6.Luke Brooks
7.Daly Cherry-Evans
8.Taniela Paseka
9.Lachlan Croker
10.Jake Trbojevic
11.Haumole Olakau'atu
12.Josh Schuster
13.Josh Aloiai
14.Ben Trbojevic
15.Ethan Bullemor
16.Toafofoa Sipley
17. Gordon Chan Kum Tong
18.Brad Parker
19.Jake Arthur
20.Aitasi James
21.Tommy Talau
22.Jaxson Paulo
23.Dean Matterson
24.Ray Vaega
25.Corey Waddell
26.Sean Keppie (maybe Souths)
27.Ben Condon free to leave
28.Karl Lawton free to leave (might be going to the UK)
29.Zac fulton free to leave
30.No player signed
Nathan Brown in talks
Development players Nil
| 2024 Gains Luke Brooks (Tigers, 2027),Jaxson Paulo (Roosters, 2026),Tommy Talau(Tigers, 2025) Aitasi James (Tigers, 2025) Corey Waddell (Dogs 2024) |
| 2024 Losses Latu Fainu(Tigers),Samuela Fainu (Tigers) Kelma Tuilagi (Eels) Morgan Harper (Eels) |
| Off Contract 2023 Morgan Boyle, Jacob Sykes, Kaeo Weekes, Aaron Woods, Jamie Humphreys, |
1.Tom Trbojevic
2.Jason Saab
3.Reuben Garrick
4.Tolutau Koula
5.Christian Tuipulotu
6.Luke Brooks
7.Daly Cherry-Evans
8.Taniela Paseka
9.Lachlan Croker
10.Jake Trbojevic
11.Haumole Olakau'atu
12.Josh Schuster
13.Josh Aloiai
14.Ben Trbojevic
15.Ethan Bullemor
16.Toafofoa Sipley
17. Gordon Chan Kum Tong
18.Brad Parker
19.Jake Arthur
20.Aitasi James
21.Tommy Talau
22.Jaxson Paulo
23.Dean Matterson
24.Ray Vaega
25.Corey Waddell
26.Sean Keppie (maybe Souths)
27.Ben Condon free to leave
28.Karl Lawton free to leave (might be going to the UK)
29.Zac fulton free to leave
30.No player signed
Nathan Brown in talks
Development players Nil
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That says the run-on 17 is not too bad and will win some games, but get a couple of injuries or absences and.....Oh Oh.
Ron E. Gibbs
First Grader
Did anybody in this thread answer Corey Waddell and Nathan Brown? If so, claim your winnings at the door.
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
You would want decent odds… I’d be looking for odds similar to the odds that either of those players turns us into a premiership force…
Stewbojevic
Bencher
Brown, Waddell, Talau, Paulo, Matterson, Lodge… hardly screams upgrades from the current crop of plodders
Plod for Plod
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Cannot disagree… Matterson looked capable and Lodge is a unit (that I would rather see in a non-Manly jersey) but the rest are seriously meh for mine…
I think Jamie Humphries is in Top 30 although maybe not announced as yet, below is a clip of an article a couple of months ago;
“Despite having not announced new deals, it can be revealed that Raymond Vaega, Ethan Bullemor, Jamie Humphreys and Gordon Chan Kum Tong have all re-signed for next season and have spots in the top 30.”
Think player contracts run until 1 November each year, so it would be nice to think as of that date the club website 'Teams' section would be updated ...
joshcooper123
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Yea I agree, the problem with Manly for the past few years is that we have selected to many "meatheads" of forwards who just try to run hard and tackle hard without adopting to the new style of play through rule changes with an emphasis on ruck speed and mobility. For teams to be successful these days you need a mobile and speedy hooker, lock and at least 2 bench forwards.
I know there is minimal top quality mobile locks currently on the market but the only options currently is ryan matterson who suits manly style of attacking mindset but we probably won't have salary to purchase him so a swap would have to occur.
But the ideal signing that would be most likely would be Connor Watson to play as a ball playing lock off the bench who's currently off contract. I know doubt from signing Watson maybe that it distracts from the minutes Gordy and Croker, as well as you won't want these 3 playing together at the same time because one would basically have to be playing front row.
But this is an estimated prediction of how they can play together.
8. Paseka - 40 mins
9. Croker - First 50 mins at hooker
10. Lodge - 35 mins (Aloiai) -
11. Olakuau'ata - 80
12. Schuster (burbo) - 80
13. Jake - 60 mins - First 20 mins at lock then 20-40 and 60-80 at front row
14. Gordy - Last 30 mins at hooker
15. Sipley - 20 mins 60-80 (Brown, James)
16. Bullemor 25 mins (Waddell) - Both can play backrow if there is injury
17. Watson - Next 60 mins at lock - Can play centre if there is injury to outside backs.
The problem of Manly lately has been that they don't maximise the use of their bench and they rely to heavily of their starting 13. This is where players like Jake have been playing 80 mins where he is fatigued and gives sloppy set restarts and can't effectively engage defenders when playing first receiver in attack - he should be playing 60 minutes.
Additionally, for the bigger forwards like Paseka, lodge, Sipley, Aloiai, potentially Brown and James if they play is that we need to take them off earlier giving them maximum 40 mins giving them short sharp stints.
The focus here is gaining faith in the team that players can play at a higher intensity and play shorter minutes and we utilize our bench more in games instead of 2 people playing less then 10 mins every game.
Doing this combined with signings of more athletic and mobile forwards will help with our line speed and reduce errors through less fatigue by tiring forwards.
Overall, I like Seibold's coaching style and believe he is striving towards this plan through his focus on creating "competition for spots". I know fans out there are frustrated that we aren't signing many marquee stars but instead a lot of solid players that will battle out of spots. Because Ultimately the standards in the team are driven by the players who are missing out resulting in all players motivated to maintain or earn a spot instead of a large gap between starting squad and NSW Cup team.
Keen for thoughts...
Good post, although I wouldn't be chasing Watson. He hasn't played for well over a year due to a very serious injury.
You need a few 'meatheads' (your term, lol) but surely Manly's pack will be a bit more nuanced in 2024. Obviously Schu will be expected to bring some smarts, but also blokes such as Gordie, Matterson, and even Arthur could spend time in the forward rotation, they each rely more on skills than power.
good post. Nice footy talk
i believe manlys playing style and pack of forwards have been at odds for years and have mentioned it a fair few times. something had to change and while i figured our style would be quicker than mass personal changes, finally something is starting to give
Is there enough cap space and talent available is still to be determined to make this effective in the short term i suppose. Im not sure that matters as we had done 13th to death
Let me start by throwing my weight behind a hooker that is in line with the NRL standards in the twenty twenties. . i like the thought of another attacking threat but we are pretty stacked with attacking threats,if we get our game in order, we just rarely convert into competition points, and in turn the confidence and belief a string of wins brings a side.
manly also need a clutch of gutsy wins against decent opponents to rid itself of the flat tack bully tag that it owns with distinction for the same reasons
my main concern is after watching manly for the last 5 years i feel the fans are a little hoodwinked in that we believe more points is the only way to progress and convert goodgame positions into wins. we throw away great leads far too often by throwing all the winnings on red hoping the opposition crumbles rather than showing a resilient front
A sharp hooker that engages may help us put the sword to teams when we have the foot on the throats but our underbelly is tontine soft.
we lack players that can steer the ship , when they hear the footsteps chasing them down. a player that knows the journey to success through resolve.
good hookers cost coin and IMO we need a leader who can steer that ship more. If gordon progresses we should be able to afford him and frog for a few seasons but i wouldnt be chasing a harry grant as example
frog only having one more season and only signing a 1 year extension makes you wonder about his future at the eagles though
joshcooper123
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first 25 all agree with but last 5 players should / will be;
26. Lodge - why we sold keepie for basically a straight swap
27. Brown - last year we lacked depth in middle forwards with mungril so will be a good sigining
28. Humphries - young player who is emerging through and we need depth in halves / hooker and is the type of player that will succeed heavily after the signing of Micheal Ennis. If Croker or Gordie get injured after establishing the double hooker strategy is effective he could play 14 as well.
29. Caleb Navale - Fiji international lock who has a high work rate, has great mobility and can play long minutes. Only fault will be just lacks experience and him and Asitai James can learn a lot from Woodsy in NSW cup and from Jakey when training in 1st grade spot.
30. Honestly this spot is pretty much available for anyone to sign for, with humphries becoming more of a hooker now we do only have 1 half cover and that's jake Arthur so may need another backup half. Connor Watson will be ideal signing from here but probably won't have salary.
Current depth
1.Tom Trbojevic - koula / garrick fullback - parker centre
2.Jason Saab - paulo (only play 1 of them as you need at least 1 yardage winger)
3.Reuben Garrick - parker then talau
4.Tolutau Koula - parker then talau
5.Christian Tuipulotu - vaega
6.Luke Brooks - arthur
7.Daly Cherry-Evans - brooks 7 arthur 6
8.Taniela Paseka - lodge, brown, james, navale
9.Lachlan Croker - gordy
10.Jake Trbojevic - lodge, brown, james, navale
11.Haumole Olakau'atu - burbo, waddell, maddo
12.Josh Schuster - burbo, waddell, maddo
13.Josh Aloiai - jake to lock then use front row depth
14.Ben Trbojevic - maddo (utility forward)
15.Ethan Bullemor - waddell (transform into middle forward with speed like bully)
16.Toafofoa Sipley - lodge, brown, james, navale (enforcer off bench role)
17. Gordon Chan Kum Tong - humphries (back up hooker)
I think we are desperate for another hard running, damaging prop.
You also didn’t mention Jake Arthur and I think he may have a future as a lock.
But the prop position worries me a little. We have Paseka, Jake, Sipley, Aloiai and Lodge but the last two finished this season injured and Lodge won’t be back until late next season. I refuse to consider Woods as he adds nothing.
Wish we could pinch a young firebrand from the Panthers or Cowboys who both seem to produce endless good, aggressive forwards.
double hoops
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Navale would really benefit from a year in NSW Cup in 24. Will be interesting if he plays against PNG on Sunday. The Speed and physicality of the Kumals around the ruck should be a couple of levels up from the Cook Islands game. It was played at a really slow pace.
It’s really rare for an NRL side to not have a ball player at Lock these days too. He could develop into our version of a Reuben Cotter but I reckon there is years more development before he’s a real NRL option. PNG should be a good game to watch.
It’s really rare for an NRL side to not have a ball player at Lock these days too. He could develop into our version of a Reuben Cotter but I reckon there is years more development before he’s a real NRL option. PNG should be a good game to watch.
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double hoops
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FIVE November 1 targets for every club: Manly Sea Eagles
There are clear needs for the Sea Eagles on the transfer market.
Is Jake Simpkins the answer? Can you imagine the uproar if another Tiger was to come in;-) But with the tigers old recruitment bloke now filling our spots. It's probably not Impossible. I actually think Simpkins is a pretty good little hooker myself.
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joshcooper123
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I like your thinking of Jake Arthur being used as a future lock or a 50-60 min player playing lock off the bench keeping him out of the physical burst for first 20 mins. But what swayed we away is currently at the moment our only half cover is Jake Arthur. If we want him to play lock or 14 for us in that dylan walker role he will need to gain a lot of body weight and focusing on tackling a lot at training and so on. But being our only half cover we will be needing him to play as a genuine starting half for us at times this season thus need him training as a half. Cherry will miss games over origin period and may even be rested a game or 2 more then normal due to his age and Brooks doesn't mind an odd injury. If Arthur isn't in starting 17 for Manly round 1 playing that lock forward role I don't think he will be for the season as he will be playing NSW cup at halfback running a side with a lot different roles and plans in training. But with Manly having a couple spots left in their top 30 if we could sign potentially another back up half this will allow Arthur to try out this position for us and fully commit his training regime and gym schedule towards this goal.
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