Walker Poll - If DeBellin wins next week.

[Bearfax]

Of course Walker should play. Why should we be the only club not devoid of any sort of social conscience or morals.

And if he is found guilty such a statement is justified. But not before his day in court. Social conscience and morals are essential elements of presumption of innocence before their day in court. There is no morality or social justice in prejudging a person. The Stewart case is a powerful example of this very point. There is no social conscience in prejudgement. None of us are in a position to be competent enough to judge a matter we know so little about.

 

[BOZO]

Interesting Breaking News .......

Sporting News

Jack de Belin: NRL's no-fault policy 'harsh, unfair, draconian', lawyer tells court

A court has been told that the NRL's "draconian" no-fault stand down policy could render Dragons forward Jack de Belin unemployable.

De Belin began a three-day hearing in the Federal Court of Australia on Monday to challenge the league's ban after he was charged with sexual assault in December.

He has pleaded not guilty to the charge, but he is now suing the ARL Commission and NRL, and the case will be mentioned in Wollongong Local Court on Wednesday.

Under the policy, de Belin remains on full pay and can train with the Dragons. However, he is unable to play while he defends the sexual assault charge.

He is one of three players currently stood down under the policy, along with Manly's Dylan Walker and Penrith's Tyrone May.

Under the policy, any player can be automatically stood down should they be charged with a serious crime which carries a jail term of 11 years or more. The policy came into effect from March 11.

On Monday, de Belin's barrister Martin Einfeld QC told Justice Melissa Perry on Monday the NRL's policy was a "harsh rule, an unfair rule, a draconian rule" that is "unprecedented" in any sporting code in Australia.

The court was also told that de Belin's career with the Dragons - with his contract ending at the end of the 2020 season - was in jeopardy, considering there's no guarantee the sexual assault case will be finalised by then.

It also opened up concerns that, should de Belin not play, his market value and potential for future contracts could be in doubt.

"I would expect he would be severely financially hit if he's not allowed to ply his trade in the next 18 months to two seasons," de Belin's manager Steve Gillis testified.

"The player needs to showcase what he can do, he needs to be in the shop front window."

Former Dragons player Mark Gasnier was present in court to support de Belin on Monday.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg was also present on Monday, and is expected to give evidence on Tuesday along with chief commercial officer Andrew Abdo.

 

[BOZO]

The NRL are Legally doomed on this one

 

[Fibro Eagle]

It’s an interesting one
As I don’t think it’s unprecedented as other professions the employee is stood down until the matter is resolved , But the difference here is that Debelin has been put all over the media where in the other instances the person is not identified even on the tv they have there faces blurred
Debelin image has been damaged by the media and the Nrl rule
If Debelin is found guilty they can say I told you so but till then they shouldn’t say or do anything till he has had his day in court

 

[Jethro]

Under the policy, any player can be automatically stood down should they be charged with a serious crime which carries a jail term of 11 years or more. The policy came into effect from March 11.

How can Walker's supposed pulling of his better halves hair be considered a serious crime which carries a jail term of 11 years or more and if it isn't then why was he even stood down in the first place?

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Under the policy, any player can be automatically stood down should they be charged with a serious crime which carries a jail term of 11 years or more. The policy came into effect from March 11.

Oh man this does my **** in. So theres the policy right there. Oh hang on that's not right. Apparently Greenturd can stand down any player he wants.... That right there could be the bullet to Debellins gun. The policy is not adhering to it's own rules.

 

[HappilyManly]

How can Walker's supposed pulling of his better halves hair be considered a serious crime which carries a jail term of 11 years or more and if it isn't then why was he even stood down in the first place?

Greenturd put this caveat on at the time. Any crime that carries an 11+ year incarceration or any assault on a woman or child.

BTW - The 'pulling of hair' euphamism only began after the victim tried to have the case dropped

 

[HappilyManly]

And if he is found guilty such a statement is justified. But not before his day in court. Social conscience and morals are essential elements of presumption of innocence before their day in court. There is no morality or social justice in prejudging a person. The Stewart case is a powerful example of this very point. There is no social conscience in prejudgement. None of us are in a position to be competent enough to judge a matter we know so little about.

JDB's issue is that he has a co-defendant whose defence lawyer may not be aligned with JDB's statements

Snake was a 'he said, she said' that totally required an independent adjudication

 

[HappilyManly]

This is bizarre, the CRL haven't stood Sinclair down

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...ault-ban-co-accused-sinclair-is-back-playing/

 

[Woodsie]

We have one of the best court systems in the World and yet there seems this push to destroy one of its fundamental principles. Forget Walker, De Bellin who ever. Remember Stewart though. The right of the presumption of innocence is tantamount to the success of our judicial system otherwise Stewart like matters would be happening every day of the week and no one would be safe from being prejudged and persecuted for an allegation, whether guilty or innocent. Prejudging is vigilantism, witch trials. It is against the very principles of individual rights.

Absolutely .... when you have a game run by people witout principle ... a result is that principles are quickly thrown out the window in favour of expediancy or short term popularism .....

No De Belin, Walker, Folau or any 1000 of them are worth losing the fundamental human rights of the presumption of innocence and the freedom of speech ......

One of the first acts any evil dictator does is .... forgets trials and kills any freedom of speech ..... yet these are the very acts some are applauding GreenTurd for doing .......

 

[40 nil]

One of the first acts any evil dictator does is .... forgets trials and kills any freedom of speech ..... yet these are the very acts some are applauding GreenTurd for doing .......

Problem is the system. IMO, guidelines (& penalties) for players conduct should not be established by one person or a small executive body, but should be consensually decided through broad consultation with all NRL clubs.

 

[Woodsie]

Problem is the system. IMO, guidelines (& penalties) for players conduct should not be established by one person or a small executive body, but should be consensually decided through broad consultation with all NRL clubs.

It is very understandable, and reasonable for an organisation to have behavoural and conduct standards as part of a work place agreement .... right up to the point where they start to deny people their basic human rights ....

.. And I agree wholeheartedly .... that any breaches of these work place agreements should be adjudicated by a panel ... not the tried and failed GreenTurd look in the eyes method ...