CBreeagles
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I think Tom Wright is seen as our future full back which is why he's been playing there in the 20s.
Does inglis justify his million a season pay packet, I would think not . Cherry is trying his guts out , cant ask anymore then that . He may need someone inside him to play his natural game but at the moment he is having a full hearted crack . Im not dissing your input in anyway, but this is a transition year and i think some are putting to much pressure on our little general. Give it time and everyone will appreciate him like me.
Baz also said Walker is the long term 5/8. Things change. Shopping this offseason is probably easier for a 5/8 than a quality centre.Toms future is at fullback Barrett said so himself Tom is the clubs future fullback. Blake green is too old
Your spot on loobs , we just need a good foil for dce and BOOM back in the game . Even this season killer to 6 , dylan to 4 , Trbojevic to 2 add matai and kapow, stir vigorously let bake for a week or 2 and our cake will be cooked.Baz also said Walker is the long term 5/8. Things change. Shopping this offseason is probably easier for a 5/8 than a quality centre.
Does anyone feel that DCE could make a good 5/8, he's got the size and the defensive capabilities, then we could be looking at someone reasonably priced like Kodi Nikorima.
Coaches have to be patient even if things are not going well, more harm is done chopping and changing every 3-4 weeks, you lose the players respect and confidence. It is easy for fans to just say "change this change that" but you have to look at the big all round picture.So the ken doll in the coaching box has taken 11 weeks to what most of us have said for 7-8 weeks
$1.3 mil & we understandingly accept that he's not able to be our 'on-field general'. That responsibility can go to a kid we buy for half the price. So if Ash Taylor did decided to come to Manly, he'd be our chief playmaker, on $300k. 'Wake the **** up Cherry'!!!!!!!! That's embarrassing on his behalf.
What is the difference in todays game? 90% of the time they line up on opposite sides of the play the ball. I think we only call the main guy the halfback. Look at thurston, plays as much at half as 5/8.
I think we are looking for a good creative ball player, if you call him a 5/8 he will be cheaper.
Tc walker a dud at 6 let's not forget that fact. He a blue chip centre, first grade not the place to test out players out of post ion for weeks on end. I be honest it shows on the field players lacking confidence that normally play well.Coaches have to be patient even if things are not going well, more harm is done chopping and changing every 3-4 weeks, you lose the players respect and confidence. It is easy for fans to just say "change this change that" but you have to look at the big all round picture.
Don't think for one minute Barrett is not seeing what the fans are seeing, maybe the final straw for him is the quote from i think it was Corey Parker that someone mentioned here that Manly were too easy to defend against due to the lack of options other than DCE.
I'm sure to win Walker's signature over was the promise he will be given first chance at 5/8, Barrett has been true to his word, been patient and i'm sure Walker respects Barrett more so for giving him the opportunity.
In fairness to Walker there have been so many changes in the spine along with his inexperience, ball playing limitations, a new coach still learning his role and making mistakes along the way and a forward pack that hasn't been consistently playing hard straight with good sustained intensity is not the perfect environment to learn your trade.
The safe option is to go back to Lyon get a few more wins on the board offer the fans something for the rest of the year and start all over again next year.
Fans are saying what is the difference if Walker is going to go back to centre next year anyway no harm done, well yes you are correct but that also means for this year there is no plan for next year even if the project was doomed to fail from the start.
Giving Walker the full year at least has the "small" potential of him improving more, bedding in some structures for next year and if he does improve around a more steady lineup with less changes and hopefully an improving forward pack at least we hit the ground running next year.(That is the bonus if remaining patient----now we are just playing for the present)
I've always stated ball-playing instincts are the first quality i look for ahead of the "ball runner" you just need the right balance of both.
All this jump on the bandwagon "Ball Runner" fans due to the type of players excelling at other clubs fail to realize a conducive ball running environment needs to be provided before a ball runner has impact not the other way around.
We have very limited ball playing structures in place, a weak performing forward pack for the most part, a new Coach and a spine that has been changing due to injuries all the time no way in hell a ball runner with limited ball playing abilities and experience in the position is going to excel, no matter who he is.
When all the "floating around" attacking methodologies started appearing---to me this is the same simplistic mind set in the same vain of "running 5/8"---they are both simple, lack of thought or understanding of how much structure is required for good attack to flourish for both ball runners and ball players.
The meds help as well.Dce seemed a lot more controlled and calm
Ask foz he knows ....The meds help as well.
Short odds I'm told...Ask foz he knows ....
Does anyone feel that DCE could make a good 5/8, he's got the size and the defensive capabilities, then we could be looking at someone reasonably priced like Kodi Nikorima.
Maybe the element of playing 5/8 was the lure for Walker to go to Manly ahead of other clubs, if so you still need to give the player some time beyond 3-4 games even if it was obvious he had his limitations more exposed behind a weak pack.Tc walker a dud at 6 let's not forget that fact. He a blue chip centre, first grade not the place to test out players out of post ion for weeks on end. I be honest it shows on the field players lacking confidence that normally play well.
Fair enough no doubt that what got him to us. Maybe given cap that went down at south's club has been giving him fair chance. Judging by how balanced our side looked we have thrown away some wins.Maybe the element of playing 5/8 was the lure for Walker to go to Manly ahead of other clubs, if so you still need to give the player some time beyond 3-4 games even if it was obvious he had his limitations more exposed behind a weak pack.
I personally would not have him at 5/8 but he actually has more skill than expected and being able to display these qualities now will help in the future.
Walker can play centre and add 5/8 elements to his game with less pressure to perform like an outright 5/8, in time in his late 20's early 30's he might actually slip back into the role at times with more maturity and a developed skillset.
He might get early ball in the centres so early he can actually still ball play to a hole running back rower floating on the edges--- there is still some ways to bring out his other skills but in a more limited way.(He doesn't have to just lock himself in a centres position corridor---he can sometimes play a little infield opening up his outside)
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2 | 0 | 2 | -16 | 0 |
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1 | 0 | 1 | -38 | 0 |