Upgrade Barrett now!!!

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There is nothing new in your comments. If you want to post about sacking Barrett and how the multi-millionaire Penns' are business idiots, please do so in one of the other multiple threads on this.....'topic'.

I don't know if you're having a bad day or what but seriously.....
 
Baz is/was not the recruiter.:shake:

He clearly stated that his position did not allow him to scout players, he was just asked for a list of positions to fill.

Bozo was brought in to fix Manly's roster in 2015 and now some ex Rorter's man is mooted to be in charge :nod:
 
highlandeagle said:
No not at all. The difference is form. They will come good but we won't.
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Can't have it both ways mate ... if we are losing solely because of a ****house coach ....(cue the bum sore chanting the no excuse mantra) .... then you have to apply the same judgement criteria to other teams ......
 
Woodsie said:
Much more betterer .... but apparently at cowboys it is the players fault .... not the coach ... go figure ...
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Premiership winning coach. Although baz would of won a comp there a couple a years ago too. The whole coach player discussions are the biggest fallacy in the game going
 
HappilyManly said:
Baz is/was not the recruiter.:shake:

He clearly stated that his position did not allow him to scout players, he was just asked for a list of positions to fill.

Bozo was brought in to fix Manly's roster in 2015 and now some ex Rorter's man is mooted to be in charge :nod:
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Not having a go at you HM .... you are correct Baz did say that ..

However, it would have to be the biggest bit of BS I have heard in 60 years ..... the concept that a coach would simply state a position and then accept any numpty for any price defies any sort of rational or critical thinking analysis ....

The thought that any coach would say I would like a 5/8 only to be told weeks later that ... good news ... we have just signed Vave for 8 years on $1.5 mil a year is ludicrous ...

The coach whose entire career is on the line would have to be kept advised of who is available .. at what price ... and on what terms ... and would certainly have veto or approval rights .... anything else is unbelievable ...

I think those statements are so if there is any later salary cap dramas the coach can claim "no knowledge" ... plausible deniability ... just like Bellyache and Brad Arrffur ......
 
Woodsie said:
Not having a go at you HM .... you are correct Baz did say that ..

However, it would have to be the biggest bit of BS I have heard in 60 years ..... the concept that a coach would simply state a position and then accept any numpty for any price defies any sort of rational or critical thinking analysis ....

The thought that any coach would say I would like a 5/8 only to be told weeks later that ... good news ... we have just signed Vave for 8 years on $1.5 mil a year is ludicrous ...

The coach whose entire career is on the line would have to be kept advised of who is available .. at what price ... and on what terms ... and would certainly have veto or approval rights .... anything else is unbelievable ...

I think those statements are so if there is any later salary cap dramas the coach can claim "no knowledge" ... plausible deniability ... just like Bellyache and Brad Arrffur ......
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The nrl clubs are converting into the americanised operations of professional sports business models. So they should. It’s a more stable way for the front office
 
sean john said:
The nrl clubs are converting into the americanised operations of professional sports business models. So they should. It’s a more stable way for the front office
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Please explain .... or more accurately could you please elaborate a bit further for this old dinosaur .... cheers
 
Woodsie said:
Please explain .... or more accurately could you please elaborate a bit further for this old dinosaur .... cheers
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It’s pretty simple in terms of roster / recruitment operations. You will find a lot of nrl clubs have to started to follow the NFL base model. Because it provides stability from top to bottom. Basically the coach is only hired to coach, nothing more nothing less. Then is rated solely on his merits for coaching. Recruitment is generally made by the general manager or in our case CEO / head of football department. The roster and recruitment is solely up to how he sees fit. Therefore is accountable for performance , and of the business model which end of the day wining means money. Not the coach. It was reported the dragons have undergone this type model the last few years and this year are now seeing the fruits and success from which it has brought from top to bottom
 
sean john said:
It’s pretty simple in terms of roster / recruitment operations. You will find a lot of nrl clubs have to started to follow the NFL base model. Because it provides stability from top to bottom. Basically the coach is only hired to coach, nothing more nothing less. Then is rated solely on his merits for coaching. Recruitment is generally made by the general manager or in our case CEO / head of football department. The roster and recruitment is solely up to how he sees fit. Therefore is accountable for performance , and of the business model which end of the day wining means money. Not the coach. It was reported the dragons have undergone this type model the last few years and this year are now seeing the fruits and success from which it has brought from top to bottom
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Very interesting .... I can see it being effective but it would require a quantum shift in key personnel from what most clubs now have ....

I am not certain that too many of the current coaches would hand over that authority or influence on their careers to others ...

But can see it happening ... it will just mean we will be able to double our abuse ... we can bag the football manager and the coach ..
 
Woodsie said:
Very interesting .... I can see it being effective but it would require a quantum shift in key personnel from what most clubs now have ....

I am not certain that too many of the current coaches would hand over that authority or influence on their careers to others ...

But can see it happening ... it will just mean we will be able to double our abuse ... we can bag the football manager and the coach ..
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Yes your right in terms of the quantum shift. Also the qualities in which you would hire for certain roles would change, as your general manager needs football smarts and strategy, in supplying the right players for the type of coach he has hired. The abuse from perhaps the exterior but the knife is generally a lot more swift and collective because of the accountability being in the office more so on the coach and players in which tend to form relationships, where no conflict of interests can interrupt either. I could go on and on about the pros.. and how the clubs in the nfl have more power over players and their contracts legally which imo it should be in the nrl. Half the salary cap cheating bs would be a farce and if it still happened would be a quick fix.
 
Woodsie said:
Not having a go at you HM .... you are correct Baz did say that ..

However, it would have to be the biggest bit of BS I have heard in 60 years ..... the concept that a coach would simply state a position and then accept any numpty for any price defies any sort of rational or critical thinking analysis ....

The thought that any coach would say I would like a 5/8 only to be told weeks later that ... good news ... we have just signed Vave for 8 years on $1.5 mil a year is ludicrous ...

The coach whose entire career is on the line would have to be kept advised of who is available .. at what price ... and on what terms ... and would certainly have veto or approval rights .... anything else is unbelievable ...

I think those statements are so if there is any later salary cap dramas the coach can claim "no knowledge" ... plausible deniability ... just like Bellyache and Brad Arrffur ......
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Interestingly the Drags ( St George Illawarra Dragons Director of Rugby League Pathways Ian Millward) and Tigers have set the benchmark in having an independent recruiter. NRL360 discussed it on Tuesday(or Monday).

It means that the Coach's emotional decisions/loyalties to older players are removed.
Thus pure Team balancing is achieved.

Kent's comment was that it also removes this extra responsibility from a Coach and other Clubs are watching the results.

Apparently they do this in the USA where there are only 2 Teams who retain a Coach as a recruiter.

It made sense to me but it does sound super objective for the NRL 😛
 
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I'd be willing to bet Bellamy has a huge say in who the Storm recruit and retain and that whatever model they use would be a decent one to follow. Yeah Tigers/Dragons going alright at the moment but it's a very small sample size and both have been rubbish for ages, they were both due to finally do something, maybe its just their turn...and ours to struggle.
 
Woodsie said:
Very interesting .... I can see it being effective but it would require a quantum shift in key personnel from what most clubs now have ....

I am not certain that too many of the current coaches would hand over that authority or influence on their careers to others ...

But can see it happening ... it will just mean we will be able to double our abuse ... we can bag the football manager and the coach ..
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Sounds like the Arko days Woodsie.
Very similar.
Back to the future....
 
The Indian said:
I'd be willing to bet Bellamy has a huge say in who the Storm recruit and retain and that whatever model they use would be a decent one to follow. Yeah Tigers/Dragons going alright at the moment but it's a very small sample size and both have been rubbish for ages, they were both due to finally do something, maybe its just their turn...and ours to struggle.
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Very interesting ,but I thought I heard Mary say that he finally has the roster he wanted and now look at the results .So is he recruiting or is someone else ? St G have a gun forward pack and now they have 2 guns halves and the cherry on top is that so far they have ZERO injuries.The injuries is what determines what sort of year you have I feel .
I do like the idea of the emotion coming out of it with a football manager and just picking who will balance and compliment the squad where we need to shore up weaknesses etc and then its down to the coach to work the drills ,strategies and man-management side of things.
I wonder if we did have a football manger would current whipping boy Lachy Croker have got as much rope and would he have just said the best option at 5/8 is Cleatus so that's who we are playing and Baz...just make it work champ
 
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