The Rumour that we hear everywhere

[47MVEagle]

Except Read on Monday said DCE was signing for allegedly 500k and moving to the Roosters had nothing to do with $$. The others laughed.

He wanted to win a comp.

And you swallowed that hook, line & sinker because.....?

 

[47MVEagle]

I don’t care if they offered him $1 or $2 million,but he asked for a release early 2024 and I’m not sure if they were in talks to extend beyond 2025 at that point,so DCE obviously had an issue with something.And if all this mess is based around DCE not getting an offer he was happy with,why are the Trbojevic’s involved?

Who says the Turbo's are involved? Oh that's right, that same rumour you choose to believe.

 

[XV-1]

And you swallowed that hook, line & sinker because.....?

Errrh No. I thought it was very amusing how the so called reporters can change their opinions based on their buddy managers and contacts.

 

[Ohgeez]

Except Read on Monday said DCE was signing for allegedly 500k and moving to the Roosters had nothing to do with $$. The others laughed.

He wanted to win a comp.

Rubbish. He wanted more money & was originally offered it by Roosters before Savala emerged. They smartly never lodged a contract & now get him at half price because his form has been so awful no other club wants to go near him.

Smart play by them but dumb by DCE who usually thinks he’s 1 step ahead of everybody. He’s shot himself in the foot & lost out on plenty of money by delaying his decision.

 

[47MVEagle]

Errrh No. I thought it was very amusing how the so called reporters can change their opinions based on their buddy managers and contacts.

Soooooo, which are you choosing to believe? The one that suits your agenda? LOL

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

All I know from watching every game this year is the 3 players reportedly complaining (DCE, Tom & Jake) have been crap for the most part all season.

True, our 3 biggest salary cap players have for most part been far worse than last year.
Any club will struggle when their top 3 players are not firing (unless they are one of those clubs with 5 or 6 top 3 players!)

 

[Andrew..]

Maybe it's as simple as Mestrov thinking Cherry-Evans was on the slide and didn't represent good value for money moving forward, and that was enough to get his nose out of joint.
Don't forget he's got form, remember he got the senior players offside by refusing to compromise on wages after they won the grand final. Then he backflipped on the Titans after he was promised the captaincy and given one of the biggest contracts in the history of league history. (At the time)
So, maybe it's as simple as a bad case of self entitlement, in which case it was never going to end well unless it was 100% on his terms.

 

[47MVEagle]

Maybe it's as simple as Mestrov thinking Cherry-Evans was on the slide and didn't represent good value for money moving forward, and that was enough to get his nose out of joint.
Don't forget he's got form, remember he got the senior players offside by refusing to compromise on wages after they won the grand final. Then he backflipped on the Titans after he was promised the captaincy and given one of the biggest contracts in the history of league history. (At the time)
So, maybe it's as simple as a bad case of self entitlement, in which case it was never going to end well unless it was 100% on his terms.

That's what I tend to think has happened.

If DCE asked for an early release pre-2024 because he doesn't rate Seibold as a coach, why did he put effort in last year & why was the team harmony seemingly fine, resulting in us coming 7th...& more importantly, why were there no rumours about it back then? Why was DCE's form seemingly the same?

If DCE asked for another early release after Seibold was extended in Dec 2024, why did he wait until the end of March 2025 to announce it & why did he announce it the way he did? Was it because not long beforehand, Dylan Brown scored his huge new contract at Newcastle?

The slump in general team form as well as DCE's indicates to me that he spat the dummy over something earlier this season, yet played well in our first 3 games, & indeed our 4th game AFTER announcing he was leaving. Maybe DCE's not putting effort in because he doesn't like Seibold. If so, why was he dropped from SOO on his form?

Too many indicators to me suggests he's sought a huge final contract at Manly, Manly have said no, we can offer you $xxx & he's spat the dummy, gone on TV to have a stab at the club & now it's all falling down around his ears.

 

[Dion Johnson]

They’re the defensive efforts you get when you no longer want to be there and/or are busted.

As a supporter of the club would you really want players at the club that don’t go out and give the best version of themselves on game day?

The only time I can recall in recent times where players have had issues with the coach that have been displayed publicly was in 2021 at the Raiders, Joe Tapine’s wife had a dig at Ricky on social media, and the below comments were made from players:

Josh Papali'i:
Football is not my priority at the moment

Josh Hodgson:
I don't want to be captain anymore.

George Williams:
I want to go home

Kirsten Tapine:
Refs call means jak when coaches are 🗑

My point of this reference is the players got behind the coach despite their different views and two of those players have stood up as leaders and now have the club in a good space.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

That's what I tend to think has happened.

If DCE asked for an early release pre-2024 because he doesn't rate Seibold as a coach, why did he put effort in last year & why was the team harmony seemingly fine, resulting in us coming 7th...& more importantly, why were there no rumours about it back then? Why was DCE's form seemingly the same?

If DCE asked for another early release after Seibold was extended in Dec 2024, why did he wait until the end of March 2025 to announce it & why did he announce it the way he did? Was it because not long beforehand, Dylan Brown scored his huge new contract at Newcastle?

The slump in general team form as well as DCE's indicates to me that he spat the dummy over something earlier this season, yet played well in our first 3 games, & indeed our 4th game AFTER announcing he was leaving. Maybe DCE's not putting effort in because he doesn't like Seibold. If so, why was he dropped from SOO on his form?

Too many indicators to me suggests he's sought a huge final contract at Manly, Manly have said no, we can offer you $xxx & he's spat the dummy, gone on TV to have a stab at the club & now it's all falling down around his ears.

From that I’d suggest to you the Dylan Brown contract was paramount in all this , a bit like him saying to himself “ 13 million , for that twat, hold my beer”.

 

[Nordburg]

As a supporter of the club would you really want players at the club that don’t go out and give the best version of themselves on game day?

The only time I can recall in recent times where players have had issues with the coach that have been displayed publicly was in 2021 at the Raiders, Joe Tapine’s wife had a dig at Ricky on social media, and the below comments were made from players:

Josh Papali'i:
Football is not my priority at the moment

Josh Hodgson:
I don't want to be captain anymore.

George Williams:
I want to go home

Kirsten Tapine:
Refs call means jak when coaches are 🗑

My point of this reference is the players got behind the coach despite their different views and two of those players have stood up as leaders and now have the club in a good space.

Ricky is on record saying those senior players came to him and said they weren’t happy with his methods of coaching(nothing to do with his X’s and O’s,but his demeanour and treatment of players etc)So Ricky took it on board and changed his ways and is a lot more “caring” to his players.Ricky was notorious for churning through halves that he coached,so it’s no coincidence that Fogarty’s upward trajectory has coincided with Ricky’s change in coaching

 

[Dion Johnson]

Ricky is on record saying those senior players came to him and said they weren’t happy with his methods of coaching(nothing to do with his X’s and O’s,but his demeanour and treatment of players etc)So Ricky took it on board and changed his ways and is a lot more “caring” to his players.Ricky was notorious for churning through halves that he coached,so it’s no coincidence that Fogarty’s upward trajectory has coincided with Ricky’s change in coaching

I agree, what was done there is a coach and players having different views and sitting down and working through them, there was no innuendo of the players going to Furner and wanting the coach sacked, as leaders and professional players they stood up and worked through it.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

My take for what it's worth, goes a little something like this.

// DCE becomes disillusioned after one season under Seibs knowing another premiership is required to seal his legacy as a great halfback of his era.
// His management put feelers out to the Roosters who were going through a lean period by their lofty standards but have a young roster full of talent.
// Roosters confirm their interest if a release can be granted by Manly.
// DCE approaches the club but his request is denied.
// Manly has another inconsistent season in 2024 which culminates in senior players approaching management to voice their concerns about Seibs.
// Mestrov comes out in the media and says "Martian needs to start winning."
// Manly has a late season surge and qualify for the finals in seventh position.
// Roosters tell DCE they are keen on getting him for 2026.
// Mestrov backs Seibs, extending him despite no external interest.
// Manly start 2025 season well with everything going their way.
// It creates an illusion that we are a happy bunch with a "narrow focus."
// The internal problems bubble away as the power struggle continues between factions.
// DCE confirms with the Roosters he is coming.
// DCE comes out in the media about his plans.
// The public he said she said blame game begins.
// We all know the rest.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I agree, what was done there is a coach and players having different views and sitting down and working through them, there was no innuendo of the players going to Furner and wanting the coach sacked, as leaders and professional players they stood up and worked through it.

Compared to the Prima Donna’s we have.

 

[nightster]

Commentators were saying there was a lack of commitment to the 1%’s in the tigers game, and some of the tackling was lets say, a long way short of fully committed. Is not putting your shoulder into a tackle purposely playing badly? Probably just semantics, but either way, it is clear there is a disconnect between the coach and players, which usually only ends one way.

yeah I think there is a disconnect between the coach and players & players and other players

 

[LeonardCohen]

As a supporter of the club would you really want players at the club that don’t go out and give the best version of themselves on game day?

The only time I can recall in recent times where players have had issues with the coach that have been displayed publicly was in 2021 at the Raiders, Joe Tapine’s wife had a dig at Ricky on social media, and the below comments were made from players:

Josh Papali'i:
Football is not my priority at the moment

Josh Hodgson:
I don't want to be captain anymore.

George Williams:
I want to go home

Kirsten Tapine:
Refs call means jak when coaches are 🗑

My point of this reference is the players got behind the coach despite their different views and two of those players have stood up as leaders and now have the club in a good space.

It’s not on purpose though… they’re not doing it to be spiteful. It’s a tough professional sport and players and teams get their edge from the intangibles; it’s psychological. The ‘vibe’ is off and it’s impacting the players on a subconscious level. It happens to mere mortals in every workplace in the country; sometimes morale is high and productivity increases as a result…other times, morale is low and productivity decreases.

 

[Cochrane]

That’s fine,we all believe what and who we want to believe,but Hooper would be the last person I would be listening to.”Facts” of the matter are that everyone is to blame for this schmozzle,starting at the top,but it’s obvious certain players have issues with the coach

If i recall correctly, what Hooper said also aligns with Mestrov version of events. Has DCE given a proper version of events, he seemed to leave things in out in his Ch9 exclusive.

 

[Cochrane]

Just to add to this - Buzz also said on 360 the problems started because of the money offered & Brent Read agreed. So that’s 3 journo’s all saying the same.

depending on who you believe, he is getting paid less than 700k or up to 800k. That didnt work out for him.

 

[Waz13]

Let’s also just put on the table that.

1) not one single poster on here knows exactly what went on.

2) all posters on here ( me included ) read the media reports and then we gain an opinion on the issue based on a few things

a) how this has personally made us feel
b) what part of the various rumours then justify the how we feel situation & excluding completely any that don’t fit our personal narrative

3) we then proceed to not believe anything said by other journalists or other members on ST with a different opinion.

This is Silvertails to a T

Silvertails to a T (for Turbo bros!) lol

 

[davohan123]

Larissa , she was a real gem

Yes I remember those days when we as members well i felt were taken not for granted and had a voice