The Jake Conundrum

[Darknstormy]

Tom spends more time off the field than on he is part of our problem and Jake is way overpaid and being played out of his suited position— a bench prop….as for Trevor well he is average on his best day

 

[MW66]

Tom spends more time off the field than on he is part of our problem and Jake is way overpaid and being played out of his suited position— a bench prop….as for Trevor well he is average on his best day

Not sure if you have seen Jake in the media the past few days but he is Manly through and through. Said he doesn't want to play anywhere else and seems upset about Cherry's decision to depart. There will be other clubs interested in Jake and I would like him to resign. Has he slowed down? Yes. Is he overpaid? In terms of current output yes (however factor in when he signed the contract and his 100% commitment and loyalty to Manly and I am ok with it). Is his best position Prop? Probably. Is he still one of the best defenders in the game? Yes. Does he lead by example? Yes (and his SOO selection endorses this). Is he 100% committed to the Manly cause? Hell Yes.

 

[Ohgeez]

Tom spends more time off the field than on he is part of our problem and Jake is way overpaid and being played out of his suited position— a bench prop….as for Trevor well he is average on his best day

While I agree Turbo should take a pay cut accounting for his injury concerns Cleary only played 13 games last season & managed to win a comp. We’ve also seen Pap have a lot of problems with Melbourne always staying competitive.

The difference is other teams play a simple style of footy without their star, something DCE doesn’t seem capable of. Always tried doing too much & ends up running around like a headless chicken, until Hoppa has arrived as a top class back up. I’m not blaming him for these losses without Turbo over the years but I think it will be interesting to see how we go with a half more focused on game management, kicking to corners & bashing the other team into errors. A half like Fogarty doesn’t mind to win ugly.

1 example I can think of from the top of my head was last year (or the year before) we were beating Melbourne at home but they finished fast scoring a couple late tries to make it close. All DCE had to do was hold the ball for the win but he decided to put a grubber kick in up by only 1 try with 0 seconds left on the clock… not smart

 

[Darknstormy]

Not sure if you have seen Jake in the media the past few days but he is Manly through and through. Said he doesn't want to play anywhere else and seems upset about Cherry's decision to depart. There will be other clubs interested in Jake and I would like him to resign. Has he slowed down? Yes. Is he overpaid? In terms of current output yes (however factor in when he signed the contract and his 100% commitment and loyalty to Manly and I am ok with it). Is his best position Prop? Probably. Is he still one of the best defenders in the game? Yes. Does he lead by example? Yes (and his SOO selection endorses this). Is he 100% committed to the Manly cause? Hell Yes.

I wish he could put his love and passion for manly into post contact metres..look I love Jake but he is no where near worth 900k even at his best..at the end of the day our dynamic 3 have failed to bring a premiership back home

 

[sheridanstand78]

As soon as its announced that Tom and Jake have agreed to new deals on lesser money, I would also announce that they are named co-captains. This will be a fitting reward for them and show the team, the members, supports and club that the club comes first always!!

 

[MW66]

I wish he could put his love and passion for manly into post contact metres..look I love Jake but he is no where near worth 900k even at his best..at the end of the day our dynamic 3 have failed to bring a premiership back home

Agree he is not worth $900k now and I wouldn't expect his next contract to be that value either. Re failing to bring a premiership back home, apart from Panthers, Roosters, Storm (I forget who else won a premiership in last 10 years) there are a heap of players this could be said about.

 

[Eagle 1]

While I agree Turbo should take a pay cut accounting for his injury concerns Cleary only played 13 games last season & managed to win a comp. We’ve also seen Pap have a lot of problems with Melbourne always staying competitive.

The difference is other teams play a simple style of footy without their star, something DCE doesn’t seem capable of. Always tried doing too much & ends up running around like a headless chicken, until Hoppa has arrived as a top class back up. I’m not blaming him for these losses without Turbo over the years but I think it will be interesting to see how we go with a half more focused on game management, kicking to corners & bashing the other team into errors. A half like Fogarty doesn’t mind to win ugly.

1 example I can think of from the top of my head was last year (or the year before) we were beating Melbourne at home but they finished fast scoring a couple late tries to make it close. All DCE had to do was hold the ball for the win but he decided to put a grubber kick in up by only 1 try with 0 seconds left on the clock… not smart

I was at Brookie for that game. When DCE put that grubber kick in, the whole of the hill went silent, not for a possible try but for a possible last gasp effort that the Storm had. A lot of f words were directed at DCE after the fulltime hotter sounded, actually, the f words were more in relief tbh.

 

[JakeyB789]

I was at Brookie for that game. When DCE put that grubber kick in, the whole of the hill went silent, not for a possible try but for a possible last gasp effort that the Storm had. A lot of f words were directed at DCE after the fulltime hotter sounded, actually, the f words were more in relief tbh.

While we are pointing out shocking DCE moments (I liked doing this before the events of this week) don't forget the Cowboys game the week before that. 26-12 lead, Cows score 2 tries in quick succession to make it 26-24 with 5 minutes left. Cows drop the kickoff so you would think we keep the ball down their end and run out the clock.. DCE pushes it down the right side, first tackle off the scrum and drops it trying to force a pass. Holmes picks it up and the rest is history.

The bloke has never been an effective game manager bar a few Origin games over the years. I truly think what this team actually needs now is a steadying presence at halfback that focuses on kicking, and taking the ball into the line to free up space for Turbo, Haumole and the outside backs. Fogarty, Reynolds and even Foz all sound like good options for this, and then we'd also be freeing up coin to potentially improve our pack too.

Certainly won't miss the rushing up out of the line in defence either, might even find myself appreciating Garrick's defence after all!

 

[Darknstormy]

Agree he is not worth $900k now and I wouldn't expect his next contract to be that value either. Re failing to bring a premiership back home, apart from Panthers, Roosters, Storm (I forget who else won a premiership in last 10 years) there are a heap of players this could be said about.

Penns plan was to bring the championship back to manly through Dce Tom and Jake and this year is their last shot I really hope it happens but common sense kicks in

 

[bob dylan]

Trim Jakey's deal buy $150K and shufffle half of it to Ola.

 

[Mal Cochrane]

While I agree Turbo should take a pay cut accounting for his injury concerns Cleary only played 13 games last season & managed to win a comp. We’ve also seen Pap have a lot of problems with Melbourne always staying competitive.

The difference is other teams play a simple style of footy without their star, something DCE doesn’t seem capable of. Always tried doing too much & ends up running around like a headless chicken, until Hoppa has arrived as a top class back up. I’m not blaming him for these losses without Turbo over the years but I think it will be interesting to see how we go with a half more focused on game management, kicking to corners & bashing the other team into errors. A half like Fogarty doesn’t mind to win ugly.

1 example I can think of from the top of my head was last year (or the year before) we were beating Melbourne at home but they finished fast scoring a couple late tries to make it close. All DCE had to do was hold the ball for the win but he decided to put a grubber kick in up by only 1 try with 0 seconds left on the clock… not smart

Also against Cowboys, they came flying home with late 3 or 4 tries as manly fell apart, to be within striking distance. DCE is in space with tackles up our sleeve with less than a minute to go, and he puts grubber through some 30-40m away from the tryline and gives the cowboys one more shot.

Dce doing dce and playing what'd in front of him

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Gale force winds have been blown up DCE’s arse for so long, that even when he stuffs up completely, he doesn’t appear to dwell on it.

That could be a good thing on the confidence front. However I think it’s a bad thing on the ‘lessons learnt’ front.