Damien2812
Bencher
Only good thing to come out of season 2023 is Manly finally beat the Dragons in Wollongong. Other then that is year is yet again another failure. 😔
The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD
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sheridanstand78
First Grader
The table does not lie.
We are in this position because our club continues to take short cuts in our recruitment and retention.
For four seasons now we had a makeshift 9 who has punched well about his weight and done a great job and we are miles behind our rivals as we do not have any thrust from dummy half and we are continually beaten in the ruck.
We invested in a whole bunch of Western Sydney kids and a lot of that has turned sour.
We need people who are committed to our club.
Watching the whole Fainu fiasco has just about done us. We waited in false hope that a boy would beat the wrap of what he did and have allowed this kids siblings to walk away continuing the awful trend that we do NOT look after our juniors and we are unable to really sign any guns as our money is invested in 3 key players, one who is a veteran, another who is continually injured and we are now a laughing stock as we learn about how the club invested in a potential half, allowed a legend who never wanted to leave depart and we are stuck with a guy who just does not have it.
When the club starts properly investing in the team and fixes some of these problem it will not change.
Why on earth have we permitted an assistant coach to carry on when he is actively working for this next role. We accepted second best! This is not our way!
We are in this position because our club continues to take short cuts in our recruitment and retention.
For four seasons now we had a makeshift 9 who has punched well about his weight and done a great job and we are miles behind our rivals as we do not have any thrust from dummy half and we are continually beaten in the ruck.
We invested in a whole bunch of Western Sydney kids and a lot of that has turned sour.
We need people who are committed to our club.
Watching the whole Fainu fiasco has just about done us. We waited in false hope that a boy would beat the wrap of what he did and have allowed this kids siblings to walk away continuing the awful trend that we do NOT look after our juniors and we are unable to really sign any guns as our money is invested in 3 key players, one who is a veteran, another who is continually injured and we are now a laughing stock as we learn about how the club invested in a potential half, allowed a legend who never wanted to leave depart and we are stuck with a guy who just does not have it.
When the club starts properly investing in the team and fixes some of these problem it will not change.
Why on earth have we permitted an assistant coach to carry on when he is actively working for this next role. We accepted second best! This is not our way!
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Thanks, @jbb/james !
You'd have a point if he was a coach who didn't drop players or promote unknowns from reserve grade to reward them for effort, but Seibold, whatever his failings (and we all have em) has shown he does do those things.
So no problem with him being proud when the payers do make a big effort.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Yea right. Promoting Woods and leaving Fainu and Condon to rot in NSW cup.
Thewestisbest
Reserve Grader
Exactly, can you imagine Craig Bellamy saying he was proud in similar circumstances? I recall on those occassions when the Storm performed badly without their Origin stars, he let his disgust be known that the players had let the jersey down. Big difference!
TheSoaringEagle2023
Bencher
Not to mention signing a surplus of halves, when what we need are forwards and a good 9.
The anticipation of GCKT having some role to play or signing a good 9 from another club was all for nothing. Next year we will still have Croker as the 9 and four plodder forwards on the bench.
And it will continue on for a few years like it has.
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TheSoaringEagle2023
Bencher
With regards to how the club has treated its fans...
Signing Woods in the first place was case of fool me once, shame on you....
resigning Woods for an extension was a case fool me twice, shame on me....
Ned
Bencher
Sad but true
Peter C
Bencher
I re
I would say Burbo is therebecause he can cover both as a forward and as a centre, as for Woods, our front rowers have been decimated with injuries
TheSoaringEagle2023
Bencher
Burbo is catching up to Turbo in terms of injuries, although its less noticeable due to the low coin he is on.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Historical perspective:
Souths: won premierships in 1908, 1909, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1931, 1932, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 2014. Late 20's to early 30's - great team, also early 50's and late 60's. From 1972 to 2010 (almost 40 years) - mostly crap, also-rans till Crowe and Co got on board, especially with the Burgess Bros recruitment. Always going on about how many titles they have won, but have only won one GF in the last 50 years.
St George: won premierships 1941, 1949, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1977, 1979 - and again in 2010 as St George Illawawarra. Record run from 1956 to 1966; two wins in the 1970's. One title only - as a merged entity - in the last 40 years. Now - rubbish.
Canterbury: won premierships in 1938, 1942, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1995, 2004. Four premierships in the 1980's; one in the 1990's....one in the early 2000's. Now - rubbish.
Eastern Suburbs: won premierships in 1911, 1912, 1913, 1923, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1945, 1974, 1975, 2002, 2013, 2018, 2019. Good from 1935 to 1945, then zip till the 1970's. Been rising since 2010 or so off the back of Nick Polites and his $$ and connections.
Other current Sydney teams:
Tigers: repeating a cycle of failure. One premiership as a merged entity.
Sharks: won once since 1967.
Eels : won 4 times in the 1980's, now repeating a cyclical rise and fall. 37 years since their last premiership.
Panthers: won premierships in 1991, 2003, 2021, 2022. Looking the goods for 2023. Were almost a laughing stock from 1967 to the late 1980's. Now the mecca for Polynesian migrants with rugby league talent it seems, as well as a network of clubs and gambling / entertainment $$.
I'm not going to go through Manly's history, as it should be imprinted on all of our sausage-roll eating collective consciousness. WE have a great history.
My point?
Today's NRL structure only leaves room for 3 to 4 Sydney clubs to really shine nationally , as cherry-picking of resources between over-congested RL Sydney market (in terms of total teams) is a zero-sum game of winners and losers.
Till the comp expanded in the late 1980's , Manly really didn't get major success till (a) the St George bubble burst, and (b) Souths also fell by the wayside. Then - combine Arko's brilliance in the head office with Fulton on the field, add Eadie, Randall, etc - ...= 4 premierships in the 1970's.
Parramatta and Canterbury had their best years in the 1980's, but have never really been the same again after Brisbane, Canberra and Newcastle (and Warriors) entered the comp.
Today - quasi-national comp, talent moving from club to club, state to state, country to country. Only two to three Sydney teams have been consistently performing over the last 10 years: Roosters, Panthers, Bunnies.
Roosters & Bunnies: almost sharing the same 'corporate' strategy , more or less.
Panthers: huge production line of junior talent, good at picking / keeping who they want, finally have a decent coach ( a Manly junior, no less - the irony...........).
Do we try and copy the strategy of 'successful' Sydney teams - or can we forge a different way? We can't copy Penrith - can't replicate the demographics. However - a visionary owner with deep pockets and a huge love of the Sea Eagles - one who wants to 'out-Polites' the Roosters and 'out-Crowe' the Bunnies may work.
'Cause it may be that to win the national competition, being the best team in Sydney may have to be the first step..................if you're a Sydney team.
Souths: won premierships in 1908, 1909, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1931, 1932, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 2014. Late 20's to early 30's - great team, also early 50's and late 60's. From 1972 to 2010 (almost 40 years) - mostly crap, also-rans till Crowe and Co got on board, especially with the Burgess Bros recruitment. Always going on about how many titles they have won, but have only won one GF in the last 50 years.
St George: won premierships 1941, 1949, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1977, 1979 - and again in 2010 as St George Illawawarra. Record run from 1956 to 1966; two wins in the 1970's. One title only - as a merged entity - in the last 40 years. Now - rubbish.
Canterbury: won premierships in 1938, 1942, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1995, 2004. Four premierships in the 1980's; one in the 1990's....one in the early 2000's. Now - rubbish.
Eastern Suburbs: won premierships in 1911, 1912, 1913, 1923, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1945, 1974, 1975, 2002, 2013, 2018, 2019. Good from 1935 to 1945, then zip till the 1970's. Been rising since 2010 or so off the back of Nick Polites and his $$ and connections.
Other current Sydney teams:
Tigers: repeating a cycle of failure. One premiership as a merged entity.
Sharks: won once since 1967.
Eels : won 4 times in the 1980's, now repeating a cyclical rise and fall. 37 years since their last premiership.
Panthers: won premierships in 1991, 2003, 2021, 2022. Looking the goods for 2023. Were almost a laughing stock from 1967 to the late 1980's. Now the mecca for Polynesian migrants with rugby league talent it seems, as well as a network of clubs and gambling / entertainment $$.
I'm not going to go through Manly's history, as it should be imprinted on all of our sausage-roll eating collective consciousness. WE have a great history.
My point?
Today's NRL structure only leaves room for 3 to 4 Sydney clubs to really shine nationally , as cherry-picking of resources between over-congested RL Sydney market (in terms of total teams) is a zero-sum game of winners and losers.
Till the comp expanded in the late 1980's , Manly really didn't get major success till (a) the St George bubble burst, and (b) Souths also fell by the wayside. Then - combine Arko's brilliance in the head office with Fulton on the field, add Eadie, Randall, etc - ...= 4 premierships in the 1970's.
Parramatta and Canterbury had their best years in the 1980's, but have never really been the same again after Brisbane, Canberra and Newcastle (and Warriors) entered the comp.
Today - quasi-national comp, talent moving from club to club, state to state, country to country. Only two to three Sydney teams have been consistently performing over the last 10 years: Roosters, Panthers, Bunnies.
Roosters & Bunnies: almost sharing the same 'corporate' strategy , more or less.
Panthers: huge production line of junior talent, good at picking / keeping who they want, finally have a decent coach ( a Manly junior, no less - the irony...........).
Do we try and copy the strategy of 'successful' Sydney teams - or can we forge a different way? We can't copy Penrith - can't replicate the demographics. However - a visionary owner with deep pockets and a huge love of the Sea Eagles - one who wants to 'out-Polites' the Roosters and 'out-Crowe' the Bunnies may work.
'Cause it may be that to win the national competition, being the best team in Sydney may have to be the first step..................if you're a Sydney team.
Thewestisbest
Reserve Grader
I'd rather he was proud of the consistency that the team shows the competition each and every week in getting better. They are well paid professional athletes, which means the coach should be able to draw out a big effort from his players each time they run out.
Thewestisbest
Reserve Grader
It's mystifying how some people see the world around them.
Thewestisbest
Reserve Grader
Wake up! Shazza Woods has been a mainstay for weeks now, regularly picked ahead of several other forwards before our injuries hit. People need to stop making excuses for the Spoonman's selections.
Ryan
Journey Man
Sad that we've only won 4 put of our last 14. Won 9 of our last 28. And the trend is actually worsening. Siebold should start thinking about how he defends his position at his end of season assessment !
Particularly given the owner and CEO claims we are in a premiership window , and it's a premiership squad (yet will likely finish bottom 4).
Honestly, we need to shed players. And I'd include players some of you guys would be horrified to lose.
The Broncos had to do it. We have to do it.
Particularly given the owner and CEO claims we are in a premiership window , and it's a premiership squad (yet will likely finish bottom 4).
Honestly, we need to shed players. And I'd include players some of you guys would be horrified to lose.
The Broncos had to do it. We have to do it.
Penn is talking about NSW cup premiership window.
We have now signed a lot of excellent reserve grade players that are not good enough for first grade.
Seibs is proud as punch in giving all the players Moses manages a home.
I don't know for sure if he's a good or bad coach? My gut tells me he's probably a dud and just an uglier Trent Barrett. With the players we have and those that are currently confirmed as coming I don't think Seibold has it in him to do much better. It is not all his fault we just don't have the depth or quality around our "stars" to be competitive. However, under the "results driven business" mantra I believe he'll be gone by mid May next season and then the ground hog day like circus around our coach will start again.Our stupid owner will change coaches again for the quick fix but until Penn is gone and we get someone to make some tough decision around our playing squad the decade of disappointment will continue. Given our recruitment strategy from the Tigers I won't be surprised if we end up with Tim Sheens and Benji coaching us. Then the Tigerisation of the squad and complete transference of their losing culture will be complete.
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