SOO, Jake, DCE, general discussion

[Cliffymagic]

Il be silently cheering for qld in the hope that it sparks Dce up .

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

A few Suali doubters here, but unfortunately (for us Rooster haters) in the last few weeks he has shown he is already the real thing. Could be better than Folau. It didn't occur to me he might make SOO this year but I can see the point in picking him in the squad, he seems tough enough and is a giant.
On the other hand I can't see the point in picking Frizzell or the 2nd Saifit twin, or Sims for that matter.
Jake and JAC have simply paid for their teams' mediocre form.

 

[IQofalimabean]

Agree entirely with all of that. Des has turned him into Aiden Tolman lite (I say lite because Jake doesn't make anywhere NEAR the metres Tolman does). Imagine Tolman getting 900k a year. WTAF - this contract is an absolute albatross.

Poaching any top tier fullback sounds like a better deal then paying overs for jake and an injury prone tom. Could probably poach the storm halfback for dce's money as well.

 

[chuckee]

900k per season for this bloke. He and his family seen the club coming with that contract offer. Can never fault his effort but that only gets you so far.

He hasn’t even been NSW cup standard let alone origin standard in recent times.

Our 13 jumper is being wasted. His best chance of being effective is coming off the bench as a prop for us.

 

[Son of Manly Beach]

The main thing Jake has going for him nowadays (and this goes for DCE and Turbo too) is that they have been loyal to Manly and have only ever played for our club. So it's hard not to like the guys that's for sure. But in reality, Jake especially, is holding our club back. Same with the others on these ridiculous contracts.
But I doubt anyone's gonna take a paycut for the sake of the team

 

[BOZO]

Il be silently cheering for qld in the hope that it sparks Dce up .

QUEENSLANDER !!!

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

He hasn’t even been NSW cup standard

Jake especially, is holding our club back

Hyperbole much.

 

[Ryan]

Hyperbole much.

Jakes definitely not holding our club back, but his salary cap hit kind of is, so I can see the point I guess. Jake is a good player, particularly defensively. But like Schuster, Taufua and a few other, they look like they are running in mud, and very, very slow for the 2022 game.

Don't get me wrong, he's averaging 78 metres a game this year (which is pretty decent) for an 80 minute player / forward - I guess.....actually, IS it?

Isaah Yeo on the flipside is averaging 144 metres (making just as many tackles - missing 34% less), and is on more than $200k+ (they say he's on around $600k) less than Jake:

Is your club paying too much for players? Confidential NRL document sheds light on salaries

The Herald has obtained the document the NRL salary cap auditors send clubs to keep agents honest and determine how much they should pay their players.

www.smh.com.au

The widely considered best lock in the NRL, Isaah Yeo, isn’t among the top five paid No.13s in the game, believed to be on just less than $700,000 this year.

 

[davohan123]

QUEENSLANDER !!!
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[madmax]

Watching JAC's defense I hope he is gone. We need the height of Tupou to counter Cobbo and Coates.

What about To’o???? He’s shorter than JAC! Complete joke that the fox wasn’t selected. Typical Fittlerism selecting Tupou & especially Suaalii.

 

[madmax]

Our backs scored about a million tries last year. Do you really think Jake is there to score tries?

Nope he’s there to give away penalties & 6 agains!

 

[Snake]

I respect your opinions @Snake and agree with most of them. I think Finucane was a great signing by the Sharks for the reasons you have outlined.

Only thing I push back on would be that Jake's on-field production is in front of Finucane's these days. Dale is obviously at the back end of his career so its sort of to be expected. But that's just from my eye test and happy to be corrected.

All valid point mate! I agree, Jake’s work rate is higher but I like Finucane’s carries better. He still has some leg speed. Personally, I’m pretty upset about how Jake’s game has deteriorated. A few years ago it looked like he had the world at his feet. Suddenly he is slow...and already 28? How did that happen. I thought we were in for a couple of premierships with the Trbojevic brothers...but Jake’s slowing down and Tom is always injured. It’s a bit sad.

Do you think the style Hasler has employed has meant the grind of 50 tackles a game has wrecked Jake’s body?

 

[BOZO]

That is how the blues are at the start of the game
By the end of the game they are down on their hands and knees crying

 

[madmax]

I can see this being a big issue for the club.

Hard to see him getting back for the blues. I agree this is on the coach.

His next contract could be a a major downgrade.

Sounds like the Glenn Stewart issue all over again.

Safiti/Frizelle getting picked over him - its an insult if you ask me.

Ado-Carr missing out is a farce.

And Suaalii getting selected is a joke!!

 

[Shoe1]

All valid point mate! I agree, Jake’s work rate is higher but I like Finucane’s carries better. He still has some leg speed. Personally, I’m pretty upset about how Jake’s game has deteriorated. A few years ago it looked like he had the world at his feet. Suddenly he is slow...and already 28? How did that happen. I thought we were in for a couple of premierships with the Trbojevic brothers...but Jake’s slowing down and Tom is always injured. It’s a bit sad.

Do you think the style Hasler has employed has meant the grind of 50 tackles a game has wrecked Jake’s body?

I think Jake is doing too much. Happy for his defence workrate to remain high, but he is too often posted as a ball distributor in attack, so he's neither fish nor flesh when we are in possession. I'd be happy if he just played like a forward for most of the game.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Jakes definitely not holding our club back, but his salary cap hit kind of is, so I can see the point I guess. Jake is a good player, particularly defensively. But like Schuster, Taufua and a few other, they look like they are running in mud, and very, very slow for the 2022 game.

Don't get me wrong, he's averaging 78 metres a game this year (which is pretty decent) for an 80 minute player / forward - I guess.....actually, IS it?

Isaah Yeo on the flipside is averaging 144 metres (making just as many tackles - missing 34% less), and is on more than $200k+ (they say he's on around $600k) less than Jake:

Is your club paying too much for players? Confidential NRL document sheds light on salaries

The Herald has obtained the document the NRL salary cap auditors send clubs to keep agents honest and determine how much they should pay their players.

www.smh.com.au

The widely considered best lock in the NRL, Isaah Yeo, isn’t among the top five paid No.13s in the game, believed to be on just less than $700,000 this year.

Interesting article, thanks.
It actually makes the salaries of DCE, Turbo and Jake look well within range, I think.
Interesting (and not really surprising) that some players thought to be on the highest deals in their positions are not still rated as among the top players in those positions, eg Klemmer, Andrew Fifita, and others such as Yeo will be worth far more in their next deal, especially if prepared to test the market.

 

[Shoe1]

And Suaalii getting selected is a joke!!

I too am gobsmacked that he wasn't in the blues side 2 years ago, what was fittler thinking ignoring him for so long! He's a current immortal.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

so he's neither fish nor flesh when we are in possession

So what is he? A carrot?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I too am gobsmacked that he wasn't in the blues side 2 years ago, what was fittler thinking ignoring him for so long! He's a current immortal.

I would have thought so too if I hadn't seen him play in the last couple of weeks.

 

[madmax]

A few Suali doubters here, but unfortunately (for us Rooster haters) in the last few weeks he has shown he is already the real thing. Could be better than Folau. It didn't occur to me he might make SOO this year but I can see the point in picking him in the squad, he seems tough enough and is a giant.
On the other hand I can't see the point in picking Frizzell or the 2nd Saifit twin, or Sims for that matter.
Jake and JAC have simply paid for their teams' mediocre form.

Sorry mate…..disagree on Suaalii. Hasn’t done anything better than most other centre / wingers. Overrated for mine & nowhere near the talent of Selwyn Cobbo.