[Resurrected] SACK Des Hasler!!

[Tragic Eagle]

Des looks like he’s trying to force Penn to pay him out.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Des looks like he’s trying to force Penn to pay him out.

We should bring back Tooves. I don't think he's the best coach in the world but at least he cares. That'll do right now.

 

[KNUCKLES]

I would be less Pro Des If there was a solid contender for the job but there just isn't. it's a well-heeled 'myth' that we need a manly man as a coach, and as much as I hate to admit it there does seem to be some truth to it.

as a club, we are a basket case 100% that loves self-harming. not many coaches want to come here. Look at Madge who was probably the best of the rest and he turned us down to go to the tigers FFS. We had a roster that shat all over the tigers and he still went the other way.

To your valid point about assistants is it an owner/money thing? I do think we need better assistants but again if the club don't pay the assistants won't play.

If I remember correctly, madge did an interview on the matty john's show when there were reports Manly and tigers were after him as coach. He said he hadn't made any decision yet but he will be basing his decision on which club had 'good' people currently at the club. Read into as you will... definitely rang bells for me when he went on to sign for the tigers later on

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

We should bring back Tooves. I don't think he's the best coach in the world but at least he cares. That'll do right now.

Regardless of current results I don't think you could accuse DES of not caring if that's what your post alluded to?

 

[madmax]

Regardless of current results I don't think you could accuse DES of not caring if that's what your post alluded to?

I'm sure Des is biting his tongue big time! Not sure what's holding him back but something or someone definitely is! This is not the Des we all know. He used to be a regular of the coaching box shots where you could see the anger, frustration & explosions. Remember 'door-gate'......where has that passion & anger gone? I've never seen Des so calm during games & the post match media interviews! I have this feeling something is gonna explode whether it's now, next week or during the off season but Des will not stay this calm for long. It's just not in his nature to keep this quiet. Something is brewing!

 

[Budgie]

I'm sure Des is biting his tongue big time! Not sure what's holding him back but something or someone definitely is! This is not the Des we all know. He used to be a regular of the coaching box shots where you could see the anger, frustration & explosions. Remember 'door-gate'......where has that passion & anger gone? I've never seen Des so calm during games & the post match media interviews! I have this feeling something is gonna explode whether it's now, next week or during the off season but Des will not stay this calm for long. It's just not in his nature to keep this quiet. Something is brewing!

The version we see now is the version we've seen from the moment he returned. There has been no passion at all.
I think he's a man who can carry a grudge for eternity. When he came back he was dead to the world of NRL. No one would touch him. And possibly no other coach would touch us! But that didn't make it a match made in heaven.
Apart from the last couple of weeks where he has talked about 'the Manly jumper' - possibly a directive from Mestrov - he has talked about the Club as if it's a separate entity, always distant. It's always about individuals or 'this club' like it's just another he has worked for (true). Trust me, I've listened closely because it rattled me when I first detected it. He does not 'bleed Manly' as some like to think. It's a gig.
His arrogance was on display when he was shown the door at Canterbury. That has not changed, only grown.
He is not the keen and dedicated young man who took the reins back in 2004. He is now an older bloke who cannot move with the times and carries bitterness within.

Our problem is we remember what was rather than see what's in front of us.

For the record, his win rate with us during the first stint was 59%, at Canterbury 57%, and this time in residence here .... 49%.

 

[Wombat64]

NRL 2022: The burning issue that the Dragons, Sea Eagles, Knights and Titans must address​

The Dragons, Knights, Sea Eagles and Titans have failed to fire in 2023, we investigate the burning issue at every club and what moves they can make to fix it.

Brent Read, Michael Carayannis and David Riccio
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s.../9354ac6a02904012d7c8989ddf965b14#share-tools
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Manly stars Daly Cherry-Evans and the Trbojevic brothers will have a decisive say in the future of the club as chief executive Tony Mestrov prepares to preside over one of the most significant off-seasons in the Sea Eagles’ recent history.
Manly are about to bring down the curtain on a season of bitter disappointment, the precursor to some serious soul-searching on Sydney’s northern beaches.
It shapes as a critical three months for not just Manly, but also St George Illawarra, Newcastle and the Gold Coast as they enter the off-season with instability and uncertainty surrounding the futures of their respective football departments.
Coaching and personnel changes are in the wind as all four clubs look to rebound from a year of underachievement. Hasler and Anthony Griffin are off contract at the end of 2023. Newcastle’s Adam O’Brien and Titans boss Justin Holbrook have deals until the end of 2024.
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Sea Eagles skipper Daly Cherry-Evans is expected to have a say in the club’s future. Picture: Cameron Spencer/Getty Images
At Manly, Mestrov has already foreshadowed changes as he looks to unify a club that was torn apart by the Pride jersey fiasco. “It is significant from all points of view,” Mestrov said.“We need to reset, we need to remember probably what Manly is about. I would like to see us regroup and be one club. I mean that. “I know whatever problems that have been toted to be out there, we need to handle it internally and do it together.

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“Des coaches the team and he understands …. that there needs to be some changes in strategy. I will leave that up to Des.“My job is to unite the joint. To bring everyone as one.” Manly were on target to play in the finals until they were brought undone by the Pride jersey debacle, when seven players stood down citing religious beliefs.

Manly coach Des Hasler is under plenty of pressure. Picture: Daily Telegraph / Monique Harmer

The Sea Eagles rapidly dropped out of finals contention in the weeks that followed, heaping pressure on Hasler to retain his job. The two-time premiership winner had a clause in his contract that gave him an extra year if Manly finished in the top six and there were calls for the extension to be granted anyway given the Pride jersey disaster. The Manly board declined and Hasler will head into next season with the spotlight on his position. He won’t be the only coach in the NRL under scrutiny. The same applies to Griffin, O’Brien and Holbrook. All four need a fast start to remove the pressure. Mestrov insists Hasler still has the club’s support, although changes to the football department are expected to take place over the off-season.

Any changes will only happen after Mestrov has consulted key figures in the playing group, led by Cherry-Evans, Tom Trbojevic and Jake Trbojevic.

“Whatever problem you have had with individuals in the past, that is in the past,” Mestrov said.
“I am not interested. We have to unite. We have to unite for the club and the better good. We are not where we want to be – we have to get back to where Manly deserves to be and where Manly should be. It is quite simple in that way.“I am not going to have those conversations in isolation. We have to have those conversations together and we have to have honest conversations.“I don’t reckon we have had that at the club for a long time. That is part of the club uniting.”

 

[Wombat64]

SEA EAGLES

BURNING ISSUE:

Trying to unite the playing group. Forget what the Sea Eagles players are saying publicly there is little doubt there is a split amongst the players who have fallen out following the decision by seven of them to boycott a match. The split in the ranks does not rest with the players, it has also filtered into the staff. If they cannot all get on the same page that would lead to a delicate situation for coach Des Hasler who is fighting for his own future. Hasler has 12 months left on his deal and will be angling for at least another season but that is unlikely at this stage.

COACH CONTACT STATUS:

Des Hasler (2023)

LOCKED IN:

Josh Aloiai (2025), Daly Cherry-Evans (2025), Lachlan Croker (2023), Reuben Garrick (2023), Morgan Harper (2023), Sean Keppie (2024), Tolutau Koula (2024), Karl Lawton (2024), Haumole Olakau’atu (2024), Taniela Paseka (2024), Jason Saab (2023), Josh Schuster (2024), Jake Trbojevic (2026), Tom Trbojevic (2026), Kelma Tuilagi (2025), Christian Tuipulotu (2024).

UNSIGNED:

Morgan Boyle, Andrew Davey, Manase Fainu, Zac Fulton, Pio Seci, Alfred Smalley, Martin Taupau

NRL RICH 100:

Daly Cherry-Evans (2, $1.2m), Tom Trbojevic (6, $1.1m), Jake Trbojevic (16, $900k), Marty Taupau (53, $700k)

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Mestrov could be heading down a slippery slope if he thinks asking a few players and by extension allowing them to ‘run’ the show, is the right approach.

 

[ManlyArmy]

Removing Des now would be an absolute disaster IMO.

We are currently 10 weeks away from the start of the 2023 pre-season, and some want Des sacked immediately, which then leaves a CEO (who's 4 weeks into his role) to scramble and find a coach for 2023 onwards.

In that 10 weeks, we'll have to work out a plan, interview coaches, make a decision on the best applicant and then that coach has to do a mad dash to get his staff organised and ready to go for pre-season starting in early-mid November.


The rational decision is to start making tentative plans for the future i.e 2024 onwards on the off chance that we don't improve in 2023. Give ourselves the time to do things correctly so we don't have yet another Barrett situation because right now, there is fk all available in terms of coaches who are talented enough to deal with our sht heap of an organisation properly.

 

[Bomb Voyage]

Is

Removing Des now would be an absolute disaster IMO.

We are currently 10 weeks away from the start of the 2023 pre-season, and some want Des sacked immediately, which then leaves a CEO (who's 4 weeks into his role) to scramble and find a coach for 2023 onwards.

In that 10 weeks, we'll have to work out a plan, interview coaches, make a decision on the best applicant and then that coach has to do a mad dash to get his staff organised and ready to go for pre-season starting in early-mid November.


The rational decision is to start making tentative plans for the future i.e 2024 onwards on the off chance that we don't improve in 2023. Give ourselves the time to do things correctly so we don't have yet another Barrett situation because right now, there is fk all available in terms of coaches who are talented enough to deal with our sht heap of an organisation properly.

Is that right? When does pre season start? Didn’t realise it was that soon

 

[The Wheel]

Is

Is that right? When does pre season start? Didn’t realise it was that soon

Usually first week of November I think for non top 8 clubs

 

[Bomb Voyage]

Usually first week of November I think for non top 8 clubs

Bloody hell thats soon - at least that’s something to look forward to with reports starting back up that we can follow 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[mave]

Any changes will only happen after Mestrov has consulted key figures in the playing group, led by Cherry-Evans, Tom Trbojevic and Jake Trbojevic

Exactly who is running this club?

Are admin now working for the players?

 

[Tragic Eagle]

We need changes soon otherwise nothing will change in 2023. No time to sit on our hands. If Medtronic is smart he’ll interview all of the top 30 there no point just interviewing the group aligned with the coach. Jersey gate was not the tipping point we were busted well before then.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Exactly who is running this club?

Are admin now working for the players?

We had similar issues in Barrett’s time. With DCE in particular trying to dictate who he thought should be the coach.

Early days and I hope it’s little more than window dressing on Mestrov’s part.

 

[Jerry1]

Removing Des now would be an absolute disaster IMO.

We are currently 10 weeks away from the start of the 2023 pre-season, and some want Des sacked immediately, which then leaves a CEO (who's 4 weeks into his role) to scramble and find a coach for 2023 onwards.

In that 10 weeks, we'll have to work out a plan, interview coaches, make a decision on the best applicant and then that coach has to do a mad dash to get his staff organised and ready to go for pre-season starting in early-mid November.


The rational decision is to start making tentative plans for the future i.e 2024 onwards on the off chance that we don't improve in 2023. Give ourselves the time to do things correctly so we don't have yet another Barrett situation because right now, there is fk all available in terms of coaches who are talented enough to deal with our sht heap of an organisation properly.

Toovey….not that he’s as good as Hasler.

 

[Bearfax]

Certainly Des is under the pump but until the last few weeks Manly were competitive. Obviously the players have thrown the towel in which is a shame. They are better than the results. Des needs a careful heart to heart with his team over the next few months. The ingredients are there, though I suspect they need one or two forward enforcers. There are some talented young players in this team. Just need to meld.

 

[Damien2812]

If reports regarding some players wanting to be released let them go. We need to start fresh by building a new culture without having these players around. I'm not sure on what coaching options are available since who would want to coach this club with all this infighting which Hasler is accustomed too? It's also scary to know next season could be our worst season as it stands regarding what's leaving and what's coming in. 😔

 

[Tragic Eagle]

I don’t like the arrogant way Des behaves during interviews. Not wanting to answer probing questions is one thing but behaving like an aggressive grump Bennett style is no good for the game. If he treats some of the playing group like this then I wouldn’t be surprised if players resented it.