Sack Barrett

[Tragic Eagle]

The timing of Gould punting Hook suggests to me that something is cooking and Gould is trying to head somebody off at the pass. I wonder who else has been talking to Cleary?

 

[Fluffy]

I do think though that Barrett misses the imaginative perspective of good coaches. Perhaps it will come but to date he has flogged tactics and players in certain positions that haven't worked over and again. For example, Tom Wright is a far more dangerous footballer than Parker or Suli and would seem ideal for the centre or wing, but Barrett doesn't seem to be prepared to give it a try. Another is trying Kelly at 5/8. Walker is far better than when he first took the role, but it is evident that this Manly side that scored most of its tries in the backs last year, is now relying on forwards such as Lane to show brute force to get over the try line. Its evident that the ball is not getting to the backs with good room to move, and the backs he chooses, such as Parker and Suli are slow. The argument would be that they are safer with defence but is this right. I don't think Suli is any better in defence than Tom Wright and far less dangerous in attack..

My concern with Barrett is that he only makes changes through those forced on him by injury and I suspect he has favourites. Last year he dropped Kelly to get some more spark from him, yet he allows those now in the backline far greater latitude. Fine to allow a side to remain unchanged. But its dumb to stick with the same side over an again when they are contesting the spoon. And how did he allow the club to let Lane go. This money issue is just an excuse for poor player judgement.

This we have stuck with the same side just once this year so far which is part of the problem. Dumb to think changing the side every week will help combinations and adding to that will be the golden ticket.

Lane was let go due to money - was offered double what we could afford. We are not the roosters.

So really if not picking a 3 gamer or trying an untested at any level young guy at 5/8 is all you have then he can't be going that bad.

And he has made some changes outside of injuries eg dropping Perrett but have not had many opportunities this year. Last year he made a few changes over the year but didn't chop and change constantly and we weren't smashed with injuries and we finished 6th so he must have something.

I am not sure he has enough in him but he has shown last year there might be something given we were paying for Stewart and Matai as well.

 

[Bradza]

Credit where it is due to the coach.
We played footy right up until the final whistle, and beyond.
This clearly is a much better way for this particular team to close out a winning game, as opposed to our previous attempts at closing out games from the 20th minute onwards. Dragons game again springs to mind, for what should be obvious reasons.

Maybe TB is finally learning.

Next week, I hope we focus on not taking the easy 2 point option when the opposition is down to 12 men and we have all the momentum.

The eternal rookie no more, hopefully.

So if we didn’t take the almost certain two points and then failed to score a try at bset we wouldn’t have even got to golden point!

 

[Fluffy]

No offence mate but I think we lost last week because our supercoach replaced 2 guys that were in the zone with 2 that had been sitting on their arse for an hour and 20 min. We needed to stay connected and Bazo upset that. He disrupted the UNIT that knew what to do, and at a crucial time.
I hope he learned from it but I doubt it. Learning doesn't appear to be his strong suit. But either way yeah, it was a coaching blunder. All IMHO.

Well this week he didn't put Hodko on and because of that some are saying he can't coach.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Well this week he didn't put Hodko on and because of that some are saying he can't coach.

Funny but true , just goes to show you can’t please everyone!!

 

[bob dylan]

Its odd how a one point win has made some change their views, if even slightly.

You see to me a one point win is pretty much the same as a one point loss, its just sometimes you get lucky.

The effort and skill required to keep a game at that margin is often exactly the same.

I put it to you we played no better or worse than the Sharks just as the Knights played no better or worse than us in round 1.

We are very fortunate to have a match winner in DCE. In round 1 the opposite could be said.

 

[midsteyne]

After the sh#t run of losses I reckon a 1 point win is just gold it meant the boys played for 80 minutes against a potential grand final team.
It certainly lifted the vibe in here.

 

[Fluffy]

Whose job is it to teach defensive structures? Whose job is it to make sure the players are playing with the right mindset? Yes, the coach isn't out there missing the tackles himself, but the team's performance is, in one way or another, always a reflection of the coach. Even if it's not all his fault, the coach has to take responsibility - that's the gig.

The defensive coach so umm Siebold I think.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not that I subscribe to much Slothfield says but when asked by a punter about Barrett and or Cartwright going to Penrith the answer was,

“ not happening”.

@strone33 you still practicing that foetal position ???

 

[Fluffy]

Ohhhh are we doing comparisons are we? Ok let’s have a look at a few...
Your man, the man, the one and only T Barrett-
Barrett-69 games coached, 41 losses, 28 wins.40.6% win record.
Flanagan- 178 games coached, 78 losses, 97 wins, 2 draws and a drought breaking premiership, 54.5% win loss record.

All stats up to date via rugbyleagueproject.Org

Enough said really, isn’t it.

Flanagan's record after his first 69 games coached 40 losses, 1 draw and 28 wins, 40.6% win record.

Really streets ahead of Barrett with that 1 draw.........

Note: from there he then got suspended for 12 months for cheating

All stats up to date via rugbyleagueproject.Org

Funny all you have down is said you want Barrett to stay

 

[Fluffy]

Good smother and subject change .....but being a bit simple .. I don't know how you win your point by changing to a different oneand then saying see .. I told you so ....

must be a new type of logic ..

Reference my post above, completely lost with massive facepalm.

 

[Fluffy]

Poor smother and shiiit sidestep...

You made a comparison with Barrett and Flanagan about there ability to close games out.
I gave stats alluding to the fact that Flanagan far far out points Barrett in closing games out.

Stats don’t lie old balls..

No, stats don't lie, both won the same amount of games at the same point of their career

 

[40 years an eagle]

Well this week he didn't put Hodko on and because of that some are saying he can't coach.

Yeah, "some" say everything. Both sides of the coin are always covered here. Some are not correct as often as some others. We all have an opinion, some need TP, some don't.

 

[40 years an eagle]

No, stats don't lie, both won the same amount of games at the same point of their career

"both won the same amount of games at the same point of their career"

I don't recall that actual point being a part of the discussion. Wasn't it about "coaching a side to close out a tight game"?

Stats can make anything look something any way you want them to, depending on WHICH stats you choose to use. I could rake up a whole bunch of stats that can make each coach "look" like Bellamy or like an also ran.

Stats are fine, it's which ones are chosen to manipulate a debate one way or the other is the problem.

 

[Fluffy]

Yeah, "some" say everything. Both sides of the coin are always covered here. Some are not correct as often as some others. We all have an opinion, some need TP, some don't.

I'm in the TP camp, at 19 and in his first year going ok.

Lots of improvement left in him I would think.

 

[Fluffy]

"both won the same amount of games at the same point of their career"

I don't recall that actual point being a part of the discussion. Wasn't it about "coaching a side to close out a tight game"?

Stats can make anything look something any way you want them to, depending on WHICH stats you choose to use. I could rake up a whole bunch of stats that can make each coach "look" like Bellamy or like an also ran.

Stats are fine, it's which ones are chosen to manipulate a debate one way or the other is the problem.

The discussion was sack Barrett (see thread title), the point was comparing Barrett and Flanagan and the evidence was that Flanagan was a better coach due to his total record.

I simply compared like with like, as I'm bored waiting to start my second job.

Just too funny that it was all but identical.

 

[Bearfax]

This we have stuck with the same side just once this year so far which is part of the problem. Dumb to think changing the side every week will help combinations and adding to that will be the golden ticket.

Lane was let go due to money - was offered double what we could afford. We are not the roosters.

So really if not picking a 3 gamer or trying an untested at any level young guy at 5/8 is all you have then he can't be going that bad.

And he has made some changes outside of injuries eg dropping Perrett but have not had many opportunities this year. Last year he made a few changes over the year but didn't chop and change constantly and we weren't smashed with injuries and we finished 6th so he must have something.

I am not sure he has enough in him but he has shown last year there might be something given we were paying for Stewart and Matai as well.

Almost all the changes were made because they were forced on him not because he was trying to address the problem. How many back line players did he drop this year, despite some ordinary performances. The answer: One Tom Wright. Matt Wright made way for Taufua's return The rest of the changes were forced on him. Fluffy you well remember Croker playing 5/8 for us. He played 8 games straight despite it being obvious he wasn't effective for the backline. But Barrett had taken a fancy for him and would probably still have him there if he wasn't injured. Yes he dropped one or two forwards, but even there its been mainly injury that had forced his hand.

The problem Fluffy is that its damned obvious that the combinations he has used this year haven't been working, otherwise we were be in the 8. Of course if you think keeping a combination that is contesting the spoon is good coaching, I'm lost for words. As for last year he didn't change the combinations because we were in the 8. You don't change it if its working but you do if its now. Logical I would have thought.

 

[tookey]

Not that I subscribe to much Slothfield says but when asked by a punter about Barrett and or Cartwright going to Penrith the answer was,

“ not happening”.

@strone33 you still practicing that foetal position ???

We will all be joining strone33 in the foetal position If Neil Henry gets a gig at Manly next year in some coaching capacity to support Barrett

 

[Spartan Eagle]

Well this week he didn't put Hodko on and because of that some are saying he can't coach.

Well it puts into question his recruitment capabilities / choices...

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

We will all be joining strone33 in the foetal position If Neil Henry gets a gig at Manly next year in some coaching capacity to support Barrett

Doesn't bear thinking about. Even Strone would prefer Barrett to Henry, I'm guessing.