more COVID discussion

[simon64]

As I said in a previous post, this is going to affect every football code and every sport in Australia in 2022 and probably for years to come.

It's inescapable.

Multiple FFA Cup matches postponed after six Melbourne City players test positive to Covid-19

Six players test positive, three games postponed: Season on edge as Covid outbreak sidelines stars

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Technical Coach]

If you can't even discuss an issue on a forum without calling someone a tool then maybe you are too stressed and might need some medical advice. Or some advice from the internet?
Your first point that I quoted was that accepting medical advice is not education, you should educate yourself "put in the hard yards". The WHO has been giving the medical advice on this all the way through, along with the US CDC (aside from 3 months when Trump banned them from making public comments) and our own chief health ministers and the TGA.
The WHO was therefore relevant to your own point and it remains an absurdity to suggest everyone should set up their own lab and start researching Covid 19.

Well maybe address your rude arrogant approach to replies and you might get more civilized responses back.

My "Educate yourself" response was to highlight that people from your side of the argument label anyone with an alternative view as "uneducated", would you call medical scientist and biologists who have similar concerns as "not educated".

Once again medical advice is not education it is advice, yes we all seek advice from people more informed and educated in any field to make decision making more efficient and easier but that is about trust and choice not education.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

What is the (if you have one) comment meant to imply, pressured datelines of proof of vaccination or no longer employed after a certain date in a job not listed as dangerous to the public and in an open space work environment---- is a form of pressuring.

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You seem to be coming from the position that vaccines aren't important, and people should either have them or not according to their own research.
Is this specific to Omicron or is this the result of your research into all the variants?

 

[Shoe1]

The constant argument “but vaccinated people can still catch/spread covid” is killing me. Yes it’s true but how about the fact that a vaccinated person might only be able to spread it to very few, but an unvaccinated person could spread it to dozens? That is the key point. Vaccination limits harm and spread, a good thing right?

Why do some people think that is a reason not to promote vaccination? Just because it doesn’t totally stop the spread, let’s not get vaccinated and spread it far wider. It is insane.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Well maybe address your rude arrogant approach to replies and you might get more civilized responses back.

My "Educate yourself" response was to highlight that people from your side of the argument label anyone with an alternative view as "uneducated", would you call medical scientist and biologists who have similar concerns as "not educated".

Once again medical advice is not education it is advice, yes we all seek advice from people more informed and educated in any field to make decision making more efficient and easier but that is about trust and choice not education.

"My side of the argument" ... what are you talking about?
You keep referring to unnamed alternative experts who I should just automatically respect and accept. But you think I am the arrogant one? Is this like Kelly Ann Conway's "alternative facts"??
So which expert are you following? That disagrees with Kerry Chant and Dr Fauci (and WHO)? And why do you prefer their advice?
I think it is clear which of us is rude and arrogant in this conversation.

 

[Kevinward777]

Comparing Australia today to Nazi Germany easily qualifies someone as a kook.

Tbh, that Manly side he was head trainer of probably underachieved. I could’ve been involved and they would’ve won a comp or two, they were elite talent wise. Not sure I’d give DS too much credit.

But you weren't involved, and he was. More importantly Des obviously thinks differently to you.

 

[Technical Coach]

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You seem to be coming from the position that vaccines aren't important, and people should either have them or not according to their own research.
Is this specific to Omicron or is this the result of your research into all the variants?

How on earth did you come to that conclusion that i feel "vaccines aren't that important", i am just against mandating vaccines especially under a rushed scenario like this. (along with QR codes)

I don't have an issue with compulsory vaccinations at birth that we already have.

 

[Shoe1]

This sunscreen doesn’t totally protect against sunburn, so let’s not use any at all! That will be a far better outcome,

 

[Kevinward777]

"My side of the argument" ... what are you talking about?
You keep referring to unnamed alternative experts who I should just automatically respect and accept. But you think I am the arrogant one? Is this like Kelly Ann Conway's "alternative facts"??
So which expert are you following? That disagrees with Kerry Chant and Dr Fauci (and WHO)? And why do you prefer their advice?
I think it is clear which of us is rude and arrogant in this conversation.

I can name a whole bunch of medical experts which include Nobel prize winning epidemiologists if you're interested. You may need to get past the fact check on the internet - they have gone from being celebrated scientific minds to unreliable kooks apparently. All because they dared to voice their concerns regarding the vaccines. @Technical Coach isn't referring to Joe Rogan I don't imagine.

 

[Technical Coach]

"My side of the argument" ... what are you talking about?
You keep referring to unnamed alternative experts who I should just automatically respect and accept. But you think I am the arrogant one? Is this like Kelly Ann Conway's "alternative facts"??
So which expert are you following? That disagrees with Kerry Chant and Dr Fauci (and WHO)? And why do you prefer their advice?
I think it is clear which of us is rude and arrogant in this conversation.

I never once said you should change your views or your choice of who to be informed by, i am not in total disagreeance with your line/side of thinking, i am just open to more than one side of the argument that has valid concerns about the vaccine and its process who are more educated than me and have chosen not to get vaccinated.(i am a close friend to two people working in the Sciences(one lost her job and taking an admirable stand to not get vaccinated just yet) ---- i still applied my own decision making and took everything into account and got vaccinated even though i didn't appreciate the pressure from work to do so that made my decision process more stressful than it needed to be.

 

[Kevinward777]

Israel are rolling out the fourth shot as of today _ A Rollin', Rollin', Rollin', Raaaaaawh hide!

 

[47MVEagle]

No. Worse. Parramatta.

Defo not MY mate haha

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion that i feel "vaccines aren't that important", i am just against mandating vaccines especially under a rushed scenario like this. (along with QR codes)

I don't have an issue with compulsory vaccinations at birth that we already have.

Do you accept that the reason there is a "rushed scenario" is that that about 5 and a half million people are already dead from this thing?
And the disease is creating havoc in economies and health systems all over the world?
I'm not sure if you are advocating a 'wait and see' approach.

 

[47MVEagle]

Listening to basic "medical advice" is not "education" it is merely trusting other "educated" people to help make the decision process less complicated without the need to put in the hard yards yourself.

What right for starters should a vaccine be mandated when it was still in the emergency use approval stage, people had the right during this stage to be hesitant to take the jab surely and not be forced into a decision.(i know it is not mandated i'm saying it should never be mandated or forced on people in this stage at least, yet many felt forced)

The gradual release of info in relation to the vaccine approval process and the way the vaccine works makes me trust govt less and less each day.

Also why should it be mandated for the use of a QR code app if you own a smart phone, i have no issue signing in to places with pen and paper. You might ask what is the difference and that a paper trail is less secure, well i would fear digital constant Govt surveilance that has the power to control a population over companies merely just profiteering over my shopping habits any day of the week.

I'm not suggesting presently Govts are using the app for surveilance, i am saying we make it easier in the future to introduce such measures by being so compliant now---maybe the QR code app will be mandatory on every new phone purchase and can't be uninstalled in the future.(which will also mean having a mobile will be compulsory---i have no intention to own or use a phone once i stop work)

1. The vaccine had an accelerated development process because the world's governments took COVID seriously enough to throw as much money as was needed to develop it.

2. The "gradual release of info in relation to the vaccine approval process...etc" oh yeah? Where did you read this info? Can you post credible sources extolling this info that made you doubt the government?

3. The QR code doesn't suddenly make us easier to trace - a mobile phone makes us easier to trace. The data showing our every move while carrying a mobile phone already exists - law enforcement agencies simply have to provide reasonable justification & apply for access to it.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

As for mandates, I've not been following the covid news too closely lately, like most I'm just about over it. But I assume you are referring to individual companies mandates, or industries, such as heath or aged care?

 

[Technical Coach]

The constant argument “but vaccinated people can still catch/spread covid” is killing me. Yes it’s true but how about the fact that a vaccinated person might only be able to spread it to very few, but an unvaccinated person could spread it to dozens? That is the key point. Vaccination limits harm and spread, a good thing right?

Why do some people think that is a reason not to promote vaccination? Just because it doesn’t totally stop the spread, let’s not get vaccinated and spread it far wider. It is insane.

I have already mentioned this in regards to the unvaccinated viral payload in an earlier post so please direct your post/reply to the respondents who haven't had a balanced point of view in their posts.

 

[Kevinward777]

All we can do is wish each other well and hope for the best.

 

[47MVEagle]

I felt forced to get the jab and know people in medical science who have not had the jab with well educated concerns in a variety of matters regarding the vaccine, it is always made out that the "unvaccinated" need to be "educated", well many of the vaccinated are not educated and just blindly took the jab also.

So what makes you believe these people you know in medical science over all the other people in medical science who are pro-vaxx?

 

[47MVEagle]

 

[Technical Coach]

1. The vaccine had an accelerated development process because the world's governments took COVID seriously enough to throw as much money as was needed to develop it.

2. The "gradual release of info in relation to the caccinecaporoval process...etc" oh yeah? Where did you read this info? Can you post credible sources extollingbthis info that made you doubt the government?

3. The QR code doesn't suddenly make us easier to trace - a mobile phone makes us easier to trace. The data showing our every move while carrying a mobile phone already exists - law enforcement agencies simply have to provide reasonable justification & apply for access to it.

Yes i already know that about mobile phones and data collection so why have an app then. The data is collected from your phone but is not directly linked to the govt for instant use like the App which doesn't require steps to unlock the data.

We all know about the accelerated development as one reason for the quick development no qualms about that but it is also a lazy ass but valid response that could be used to brush off or deflect from more in depth analysis. It is an easy explanation for people to absorb in their busy lives, doesn't make it wrong but at the same time wouldn't stop me from looking beyond this explanation also.

Read up yourself on the approval process and info gradually coming out, its called informing yourself or is your internet filter tailoring the experience and information to one side.(please don't reply and say i am deflecting, do the work yourself for yourself and go beyond just "Advice taking"