more COVID discussion

[Shoe1]

And the message around vaccine efficacy has changed more times than I can remember. In four weeks it will likely change again.The narrative has shifted right before every holiday for the last two years.

True, I guess it gets more dangerous when everyone is shopping, celebrating at parties and travelling in mass numbers.

 

[simon64]

For what it's worth, I have one mate who is anti-vaxx - he also revealed himself to be a flat earther when we had the last lunar eclipse.

He's an old high school mate who I have all the time in the world for but he's spent too much time on the internet believing things he reads simply because the people presenting these ideas also present other ideas that are believable & way less farfetched - that's how they drew him in - now he believes everything these people claim & calls everyone else "sheeple".

Hang on.

I have an old high school mate who's anti-vax and a flat earther. Could be the same guy.

 

[cc eagle]

For what it's worth, I have one mate who is anti-vaxx - he also revealed himself to be a flat earther when we had the last lunar eclipse.

He's an old high school mate who I have all the time in the world for but he's spent too much time on the internet believing things he reads simply because the people presenting these ideas also present other ideas that are believable & way less farfetched - that's how they drew him in - now he believes everything these people claim & calls everyone else "sheeple".

Very good mate of mine is exactly the same, anti-vax, conspiracy theorist, chem trails, flat earth, RFID in the vaccine, I love him to bits, but we never discuss anything about it, overwise it could ruin our friendship

 

[Smokin Joe]

haha of course, and so should we all. But I'm not convinced that overpopulation is a cause as such. Noting that viruses have been around a lot longer than any human population (maybe even billions of years).
Hygiene and education around what (or who) to eat and not to eat may be another matter entirely, but that can just as easily be seen as a consequence of poverty.
Are there too many people on the planet? As I say, I hadn't seen this raised before in the context of the virus, but it's an interesting question regardless of the virus.

Maybe I am not making it clear what my point was/is....
I am not saying that overpopulation causes viruses,I am talking about the lack of living space and resources with so many people in certain countries forcing them into areas and into contact with viruses etc...not exposed to humans before and jumping(for a term to use) to humans from animals(Zoonosis).The potential for more viruses like COVID coming along in the future could be increased,sorry if I did not make that clear.

 

[lsz]

I'm trippled vaxxed. Part of me feels annoyed that I have to say that. Is my medical history any one's business? But we all seem to feel the need to mention it. However I value the vax and in my case the risks of being unvaxxed far outweigh the risks of vaccine side-effects.

However I am anti mandated vaccinations. Many are not anti vaxxers rather they are hesitant about the MRNA shots. Now that the more traditional Novavax has been approved, I wonder if more of the hesitant will end up getting the jab. I don't want to lose Donnie from his role and am a bit disappointed that many posters who once hailed him as a legend are quite happy to bury him. Are there always good guys and bad guys? Or can people safely hold a contrary opinion and still be respected?

I am sure there will be issues with the new shot as well (from an ant vax persepctive)

 

[Real Deal]

I am sure there will be issues with the new shot as well (from an ant vax persepctive)

I'm sure of that, but there seem to be entrenched anti vaxxers (I have a relo who has been like that for decades), and some hesitant ones who have had previous vaccines, but don't like the MRNA ones (Pfizer, AZ, moderna). Apparently Novavax somehow is more acceptable to them. I'm not in any way scientific but that is supposedly what people think. I do trust the scientists and experts bur they are human too. And humans don't always get things right all the time. In this case I hope they are right! My life depends on it.

 

[47MVEagle]

Hang on.

I have an old high school mate who's anti-vax and a flat earther. Could be the same guy.

Does he support Cronulla?

 

[47MVEagle]

Very good mate of mine is exactly the same, anti-vax, conspiracy theorist, chem trails, flat earth, RFID in the vaccine, I love him to bits, but we never discuss anything about it, overwise it could ruin our friendship

Yep, same with me & my mate

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

some hesitant ones who have had previous vaccines, but don't like the MRNA ones (Pfizer, AZ, moderna

Astra-Zeneca is not mRNA, it's vector
Also the novovax (still being evaluated) is different again

How COVID-19 vaccines work

Find out how the COVID-19 vaccines work, how they are approved, how we decide how to use them, and where to go for credible information.

www.health.gov.au

 

[Volley]

Because he has contributed to a premiership, and the boys are always super fit under the Don. Perhaps you'd prefer the sluggard who preceded him.

What successes have you brought to the club? Let's compare them to our head trainer, who you labeled a kook for being unvaccinated. Poorly worded Facebook posts, you say.

Comparing Australia today to Nazi Germany easily qualifies someone as a kook.

Tbh, that Manly side he was head trainer of probably underachieved. I could’ve been involved and they would’ve won a comp or two, they were elite talent wise. Not sure I’d give DS too much credit.

 

[Volley]

Your no fun. I thought you'd at least strike at the lure. I miss BIFF. He was always up for a scrap 😉

Try to not make them so crackpotty and people might bite.

 

[Technical Coach]

The vaccinated listened to the medical advice, which is the only advice to listen to.

Listening to basic "medical advice" is not "education" it is merely trusting other "educated" people to help make the decision process less complicated without the need to put in the hard yards yourself.

What right for starters should a vaccine be mandated when it was still in the emergency use approval stage, people had the right during this stage to be hesitant to take the jab surely and not be forced into a decision.(i know it is not mandated i'm saying it should never be mandated or forced on people in this stage at least, yet many felt forced)

The gradual release of info in relation to the vaccine approval process and the way the vaccine works makes me trust govt less and less each day.

Also why should it be mandated for the use of a QR code app if you own a smart phone, i have no issue signing in to places with pen and paper. You might ask what is the difference and that a paper trail is less secure, well i would fear digital constant Govt surveilance that has the power to control a population over companies merely just profiteering over my shopping habits any day of the week.

I'm not suggesting presently Govts are using the app for surveilance, i am saying we make it easier in the future to introduce such measures by being so compliant now---maybe the QR code app will be mandatory on every new phone purchase and can't be uninstalled in the future.(which will also mean having a mobile will be compulsory---i have no intention to own or use a phone once i stop work)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Listening to basic "medical advice" is not "education" it is merely trusting other "educated" people to help make the decision process less complicated without the need to put in the hard yards yourself.

Seriously you are not doing any of this research yourself. And nor have Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers. You choose who to trust.
Some people won't trust any authority figure. Some (not mentioning any names) don't trust people with neck tattoos.
As for the WHO or Australia's leading doctors, I haven't heard you (or anyone actually) explain why they are untrustworthy.
The rest of your post is a little warning about govt surveillance. Never heard of tax file numbers or social security numbers? I think you're about 30 years too late with that one.

 

[Technical Coach]

I don’t believe that getting vaxxed is mandatory, however those who choose not to get vaxxed have restrictions imposed upon them, like you can’t do certain jobs, can’t get on an aeroplane etc. it is a choice and most choices in live have repercussions or consequences

Companies of all sorts(not under that certain jobs banner you mentioned in your post) were applying fear tactics through lack of employment to get employees vaccinated, even though in court it would be hard to uphold for most.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Companies of all sorts(not under that certain jobs banner you mentioned in your post) were applying fear tactics through lack of employment to get employees vaccinated, even though in court it would be hard to uphold for most.

Hard to uphold? Well if you say so!
Companies don't want to be sued and they don't want their workforce infecting each other and their customers.
I suppose your company (if you have one) has no such concerns.

 

[Technical Coach]

Seriously you are not doing any of this research yourself. And nor have Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers. You choose who to trust.
Some people won't trust any authority figure. Some (not mentioning any names) don't trust people with neck tattoos.
As for the WHO or Australia's leading doctors, I haven't heard you (or anyone actually) explain why they are untrustworthy.
The rest of your post is a little warning about govt surveillance. Never heard of tax file numbers or social security numbers? I think you're about 30 years too late with that one.

What does tax file number surveilance have to do with apps on phones tracking your every movement with the ability to link to the gps of the phone if they choose to take this path in future app development.

My point about "education" is one side like yourself define "education" as anything that agrees or is in line with your viewpoint and other alternative viewpoints are not a "form" of education.

How is it that people employed in the medical sciences of all types and way more educated than you and i have their concerns, is it not open minded to listen to both sides and still be considered making an "educated" decision----not just brushed off as an uneducated fool who believes in lame Flat Earth theories.

That internet info is being filtered and tailored to only show one side of the story, by doing this it creates distrust----leave all info be it factual or perceived as not up online and let the reader decide and decipher what are the facts.

What does the "WHO" have to do with me and my viewpoints here, yes there were some concerns in the early stages about their actions and the info they were trusting but it has nothing to do with the points i have outlayed here in relation to mandates so why bring it up and link it to me----you are acting like a tool taking that angle which has nothing to do with my points here.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I agree there are a lot of hard issues around dealing with the pandemic but suspicion of politicians and their various agendas is one thing, it's another thing entirely say we shouldn't trust the medical science.
I don't trust the politicians. At this stage I have no reason to doubt the medical experts, and despite Omicron having different characteristics the expert advice is still that vaccination is an essential part of the overall response.
The experts were actually saying even before the first vaccines were approved for emergency use that the whole world's population would need to be vaccinated, because while ever there were low rates in some (poor) countries the chance of further more dangerous variants mutating would be high. And ... bingo!

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

What does the "WHO" have to do with me and my viewpoints here, yes there were some concerns in the early stages about their actions and the info they were trusting but it has nothing to do with the points i have outlayed here in relation to mandates so why bring it up and link it to me----you are acting like a tool taking that angle which has nothing to do with my points here.

If you can't even discuss an issue on a forum without calling someone a tool then maybe you are too stressed and might need some medical advice. Or some advice from the internet?
Your first point that I quoted was that accepting medical advice is not education, you should educate yourself "put in the hard yards". The WHO has been giving the medical advice on this all the way through, along with the US CDC (aside from 3 months when Trump banned them from making public comments) and our own chief health ministers and the TGA.
The WHO was therefore relevant to your own point and it remains an absurdity to suggest everyone should set up their own lab and start researching Covid 19.

 

[simon64]

Does he support Cronulla?

No. Worse. Parramatta.

 

[Technical Coach]

Hard to uphold? Well if you say so!
Companies don't want to be sued and they don't want their workforce infecting each other and their customers.
I suppose your company (if you have one) has no such concerns.

You can still be infecting each other being vaccinated, you can still infect your customers having a vaccinated workforce.

I recall seeing on tv a person of law mentioning it wasn't clear cut in relation to having the right to force employees to be vaccinated and they risk being sued also if they did just as much as the other way around.

What is the (if you have one) comment meant to imply, pressured datelines of proof of vaccination or no longer employed after a certain date in a job not listed as dangerous to the public and in an open space work environment---- is a form of pressuring.