more COVID discussion

[Kevinward777]

Your no fun. I thought you'd at least strike at the lure. I miss BIFF. He was always up for a scrap 😉

I miss Biff as well. It's in the offseason when the "controversial" characters are missed. Biff was the chocolate sauce on the vanilla ice cream.

 

[Technical Coach]

I don't feel any vaccine should be made mandatory, if you decide to get the jab you improve your chances of survival and if you don't you reduce your chances unless you have a bad adverse reaction to the vaccine or there are long term issues in relation to cancers developing or heart issues etc.

I don't think the stats about the unvaccinated vs vaccinated spreading the Coronavirus in "some" instances are clearcut. Yes the unvaccinated are more likely to catch the virus, have worse symptoms and spread a stronger viral load, but at the same time asymptomatics both vaccinated and unvaccinated are spreading the disease unknowingly----how do you measure that data.(other than the at home family scenarios where there is more respect for each other)

Is there a case for saying the unvaccinated are more likely to show symptoms and isolate?, that the vaccinated less likely to isolate due to less obvious symptoms?

Yes the elderly are at greater risk even being vaccinated and the stronger pay load of the unvaccinated in the path of the elderly is a big concern, but this is the case all the time especially during bad flu seasons, yes Covid is generally worse than the strongest flu(from my lifetime) but i wouldn't say it's magnitude of difference is sufficient enough to warrant mandatory vaccine measures.(i have no problem with mandatory mask wearing and distancing measures though along with people with flu or cold like symptoms isolating(more so than we have done in the past prior to Covid)

I'm not anti vax as i am vaccinated(and i still have my regrets being vaccinated) i am anti mandatory vaccines and anti mandatory QR codes.

I don't have a problem with vaccine certificates for "International" travel as this in varying degrees has always been the case for certain travels, but i'm against it locally.

Yeah not a fan in general of Donny's boring motivational rants, i'm more a motivate from within type but respect his decision to not be vaccinated.(if that is the case)

I felt forced to get the jab and know people in medical science who have not had the jab with well educated concerns in a variety of matters regarding the vaccine, it is always made out that the "unvaccinated" need to be "educated", well many of the vaccinated are not educated and just blindly took the jab also.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I knew you were,you are always on the lookout for misinformation about covid.
My reference was how these viruses will continue to occur partly because of overpopulation and the resulting human behaviour and how this one will not be the last.

haha of course, and so should we all. But I'm not convinced that overpopulation is a cause as such. Noting that viruses have been around a lot longer than any human population (maybe even billions of years).
Hygiene and education around what (or who) to eat and not to eat may be another matter entirely, but that can just as easily be seen as a consequence of poverty.
Are there too many people on the planet? As I say, I hadn't seen this raised before in the context of the virus, but it's an interesting question regardless of the virus.

 

[Shoe1]

haha of course, and so should we all. But I'm not convinced that overpopulation is a cause as such. Noting that viruses have been around a lot longer than any human population (maybe even billions of years).
Hygiene and education around what (or who) to eat and not to eat may be another matter entirely, but that can just as easily be seen as a consequence of poverty.
Are there too many people on the planet? As I say, I hadn't seen this raised before in the context of the virus, but it's an interesting question regardless of the virus.

Viruses were here first, and humans cruelly multiplied and took over the planet from them, poisoning them and trying to thwart them at every turn. Periodically they fight back.

 

[47MVEagle]

Every child born in Australia is vaccinated for Measles, Mumps & Rubella.

When people have chosen not to vaccinate their children for these virus' en masse, we get what happened in Samoa a couple of years ago, resulting in ~100 deaths from Measles.

People fortunate enough to live in more advanced countries (like Australia) who rail against vaccinations benefit from herd immunity via the majority of the population being vaccinated.

It's not rocket science nor is it an evil plot to strip us of our rights or inject us with microchips, etc.

Our kids are vaccinated again in high school against HPV.

"Mandatory" vaccinations aren't something new - if you were travelling somewhere a certain virus was prevalent you had to get vaccinated before you could go, up until as recently as the 1980s - were people complaining all over the internet back then about mandatory vaccinations? No, because the internet didnt exist so anti-vaxx crackpots didnt have a platform to spread their idiocy across the world.

Yes, some people have genuine medical reasons for not getting vaccinated, but what impact would COVID have on them if they catch it? These people aren't laughing & living life to the fullest, they're probably more concerned about catching COVID than the rest of us because of the impact it will have on their health.

Sorry for the rant but the longer this has gone on, the less patience I have for anyone (unless medically exempt) who refuses to get vaccination.

They're the ones holding everyone else back & I'm glad the government have finally acted on that premise.

 

[47MVEagle]

For what it's worth, I have one mate who is anti-vaxx - he also revealed himself to be a flat earther when we had the last lunar eclipse.

He's an old high school mate who I have all the time in the world for but he's spent too much time on the internet believing things he reads simply because the people presenting these ideas also present other ideas that are believable & way less farfetched - that's how they drew him in - now he believes everything these people claim & calls everyone else "sheeple".

 

[mjb136]

I don't feel any vaccine should be made mandatory, if you decide to get the jab you improve your chances of survival and if you don't you reduce your chances unless you have a bad adverse reaction to the vaccine or there are long term issues in relation to cancers developing or heart issues etc.

I don't think the stats about the unvaccinated vs vaccinated spreading the Coronavirus in "some" instances are clearcut. Yes the unvaccinated are more likely to catch the virus, have worse symptoms and spread a stronger viral load, but at the same time asymptomatics both vaccinated and unvaccinated are spreading the disease unknowingly----how do you measure that data.(other than the at home family scenarios where there is more respect for each other)

Is there a case for saying the unvaccinated are more likely to show symptoms and isolate?, that the vaccinated less likely to isolate due to less obvious symptoms?

Yes the elderly are at greater risk even being vaccinated and the stronger pay load of the unvaccinated in the path of the elderly is a big concern, but this is case all the time especially during bad flu seasons, yes Covid is generally worse than the strongest flu(from my lifetime) but i wouldn't say it's magnitude of difference is sufficient enough to warrant mandatory vaccine measures.(i have no problem with mandatory mask wearing and distancing measures though along with people with flu or cold like symptoms isolating(more so than we have done in the past prior to Covid)

I'm not anti vax as i am vaccinated(and i still have my regrets being vaccinated) i am anti mandatory vaccines and anti mandatory QR codes.

I don't have a problem with vaccine certificates for "International" travel as this in varying degrees has always been the case for certain travels, but i'm against it locally.

Yeah not a fan in general of Donny's boring motivational rants, i'm more a motivate from within type but respect his decision to not be vaccinated.(if that is the case)

I felt forced to get the jab and know people in medical science who have not had the jab with well educated concerns in a variety of matters regarding the vaccine, it is always made out that the "unvaccinated" need to be "educated", well many of the vaccinated are not educated and just blindly took the jab also.

The vaccinated listened to the medical advice, which is the only advice to listen to.

 

[Kevinward777]

For what it's worth, I have one mate who is anti-vaxx - he also revealed himself to be a flat earther when we had the last lunar eclipse.

He's an old high school mate who I have all the time in the world for but he's spent too much time on the internet believing things he reads simply because the people presenting these ideas also present other ideas that are believable & way less farfetched - that's how they drew him in - now he believes everything these people claim & calls everyone else "sheeple".

Yes, it's a fine line in many instances. NSW residents are 95% double vaxxed - the thousands of new infections each day are predominantly double vaxxed. The double vaxxed have spread Omicron around the world - not the unvaxxed. I am double vaxxed.

 

[Kevinward777]

My cousin and his family on the Central Coast are all triple vaxxed. He called me yesterday to say they can't come to Christmas because everyone bar his daughter have Omicron. This is why so many people are sick of hearing about how good these "jabs" are. I haven't seen him for two years. Bloody ridiculous.

 

[Kevinward777]

For what it's worth, I have one mate who is anti-vaxx - he also revealed himself to be a flat earther when we had the last lunar eclipse.

He's an old high school mate who I have all the time in the world for but he's spent too much time on the internet believing things he reads simply because the people presenting these ideas also present other ideas that are believable & way less farfetched - that's how they drew him in - now he believes everything these people claim & calls everyone else "sheeple".

I completely understand your frustration - I hope you have a great Christmas mate.

 

[47MVEagle]

Yes, it's a fine line in many instances. NSW residents are 95% double vaxxed - the thousands of new infections each day are predominantly double vaxxed. The double vaxxed have spread Omicron around the world - not the unvaxxed. I am double vaxxed.

We know being vaxxed doesn't prevent catching it but being vaxxed lowers the viral load, reduces the time we are at peak infection & therefore statistically means there is less chance of passing it on. It also lessens the severity of the symptoms & illness, reducing the likelihood of hospitalisation & therefore not placing a strain on our hospitals.

We also know the majority of people in Oz are double vaxxed & had restrictions lifted earlier than non-vaxxed, so it stands to reason, with more double vaxxed going out since lockdown ended & being allowed to travel (domestically & internationally), that it has mostly been spread by the vaxxed.

How do we know none of it has been spread by unvaxxed people?

 

[47MVEagle]

My cousin and his family on the Central Coast are all triple vaxxed. He called me yesterday to say they can't come to Christmas because everyone bar his daughter have Omicron. This is why so many people are sick of hearing about how good these "jabs" are. I haven't seen him for two years. Bloody ridiculous.

Yeah I know mate, I found out today my son & daughter both tested positive so I wont get to see them on Christmas day or until the new year.

 

[47MVEagle]

I completely understand your frustration - I hope you have a great Christmas mate.

You too mate, have the best Christmas possible under the circumstances, all the best to you & your family.

 

[Kevinward777]

Yeah I know mate, I found out today my son & daughter both tested positive so I wont get to see them on Christmas day or until the new year.

Mate, that's terrible. This virus has affected so many people. I pray your children will have a speedy recovery.

 

[Shoe1]

My cousin and his family on the Central Coast are all triple vaxxed. He called me yesterday to say they can't come to Christmas because everyone bar his daughter have Omicron. This is why so many people are sick of hearing about how good these "jabs" are. I haven't seen him for two years. Bloody ridiculous.

Sorry they got it, but they will be less likely to go to hospital or die, because they are vaccinated. The message is fairly clear, you can still get the virus if you are vaccinated, but you'll have better outcomes than the unvaccinated.

 

[Kevinward777]

Sorry they got it, but they will be less likely to go to hospital or die, because they are vaccinated. The message is fairly clear, you can still get the virus if you are vaccinated, but you'll have better outcomes than the unvaccinated.

Well, we have nothing to worry about then. Over 95% of NSW is now double vaxxed.

 

[Kevinward777]

Sorry they got it, but they will be less likely to go to hospital or die, because they are vaccinated. The message is fairly clear, you can still get the virus if you are vaccinated, but you'll have better outcomes than the unvaccinated.

And the message around vaccine efficacy has changed more times than I can remember. In four weeks it will likely change again.The narrative has shifted right before every holiday for the last two years.

 

[Real Deal]

I'm trippled vaxxed. Part of me feels annoyed that I have to say that. Is my medical history any one's business? But we all seem to feel the need to mention it. However I value the vax and in my case the risks of being unvaxxed far outweigh the risks of vaccine side-effects.

However I am anti mandated vaccinations. Many are not anti vaxxers rather they are hesitant about the MRNA shots. Now that the more traditional Novavax has been approved, I wonder if more of the hesitant will end up getting the jab. I don't want to lose Donnie from his role and am a bit disappointed that many posters who once hailed him as a legend are quite happy to bury him. Are there always good guys and bad guys? Or can people safely hold a contrary opinion and still be respected?

 

[Shoe1]

Well, we have nothing to worry about then. Over 95% of NSW is now double vaxxed.

well not quite. There are no absolutes with this, I don't think I've seen any of the experts say that you'll be 100% ok if vaccinated, just that you'll be less likely to be hospitalised or have serious problems from the disease. The unvaccinated are more likely to have the problems. That's all.

 

[MissKate]

I don’t believe that getting vaxxed is mandatory, however those who choose not to get vaxxed have restrictions imposed upon them, like you can’t do certain jobs, can’t get on an aeroplane etc. it is a choice and most choices in live have repercussions or consequences