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Comparing Nazi Germany and their persecution and mass murder of various groups, in particular Jews, to current public health rules aimed at protecting our communities, is a common image pushed by anti-lockdown activists and it will not be permitted here.
If you or others wish to propagate the reference then you can find other places online to do it.
If you want to debate the issue you can find other places to do that too.
I agree with what you say above, I just think that his post was not about the evils of WW2 but more about people's morals not being as strong as they think when the pressure is on.
I can't see where I or Don actually made the comparison.
Happy to leave it at that.
 
Of course but do we really need to compare the rare instances of vaccine reaction versus death without it?
Every life is precious. Every story needs to be heard and acknowledged. Ive been x2 vaxed. But I think these lockdowns have far more catasrophic consequences than the virus itself. But this is not covered by media. The true cost will be known in years to come..

 
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Every life is precious. Every story needs to be heard and acknowledged. Ive been x2 vaxed. But I think these lockdowns have far more catasrophic consequences than the virus itself. But this is not covered by media. The true cost will be known in years to come..

It is actually is covered by the media, hence your link.
I really wanted to stick to the Donny thing but, in response to your post, it all seems very simple to me.
Life was chugging along then a never before seen pandemic was killing loads of people or making them very sick for a long time.
Spreads by human contact.
Nothing to stop it.
Lockdown.
When lockdown works, open up while vaccine is found (in unbelievably impressive time) and administered.
Lockdowns again when numbers get dicey and still not enough vaccine coverage.
I just can't see the alternative. I understand problems with depression and untreated cancers etc. and that lives will be lost because of this. But to let it run wild, killing huge numbers and clogging the hospitals so those cancer patients, accident victims and suicide attempts can't get in is, surely, a worse result.
And I'm certain if there was another alternative the politicians would have rushed at it because, in their eyes, the economy is everything.
 
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It is actually is covered by the media, hence your link.
I really wanted to stick to the Donny thing but, in response to your post, it all seems very simple to me.
Life was chugging along then a never before seen pandemic was killing loads of people or making them very sick for a long time.
Spreads by human contact.
Nothing to stop it.
Lockdown.
When lockdown works, open up while vaccine is found (in unbelievably impressive time) and administered.
Lockdowns again when numbers get dicey and still not enough vaccine coverage.
I just can't see the alternative. I understand problems with depression and untreated cancers etc. and that lives will be lost because of this. But to let it run wild, killing huge numbers and clogging the hospitals so those cancer patients, accident victims and suicide attempts can't get in is, surely, a worse result.
And I'm certain if there was another alternative the politicians would have rushed at it because, in their eyes, the economy is everything.
I was lucky I was in Queensland, elective surgery in some states hasn’t been possible or has been very limited.

My Dr told me “ do it now Mark and it’s a 90% chance of complete recovery , in 12 months 50%, in 2 years 10%”.

I’m just lucky I had the opportunity , some in the southern states haven’t!!

There’s so many other sides to the Covid story that the unvaccinated just ignore as it doesn’t fit their narrative.

I get the freedom of choice thing ( or lack of it ) but I wonder what would have happened to the Londoners of 1940 when the Germans were bombing the **** out of them at night that said “ **** turning the lights out so they can’t see us that’s against my civil rights “.

Sometimes you have to do things for the greater good , even if you don’t like doing it.
 
Living in the demountable.
I get the freedom of choice thing ( or lack of it ) but I wonder what would have happened to the Londoners of 1940 when the Germans were bombing the ** out of them at night that said “ ** turning the lights out so they can’t see us that’s against my civil rights “.

Sometimes you have to do things for the greater good , even if you don’t like doing it.
The question with the freedom stuff should be focused around removal of the measures. It's a quid pro quo. Society overwhelmingly went along and got the vax. The trade off for that should be full removal of the emergency measure put in place as we hit certain vax numbers. BUT - what you see is the government constantly extending and slipping in new bills and so on furthering their powers and as everyone always says, governments are loathe to give up powers once they get them. Everyone used to mock the Chinese government style social credits and surveillance state but more and more that's where the western world is heading.

Anyway as far as Donny goes, how often are they even training? I saw the lake run squad out again this morning. I can't imagine they are doubling up this early in the campaign so how many squad sessions is Donald even having to go to? One or two a week? Also, someone needs to buy Parker a shirt. Never seen him wearing one. He is getting close to post training Choc at the old Salty Rooster territory...
 
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The question with the freedom stuff should be focused around removal of the measures. It's a quid pro quo. Society overwhelmingly went along and got the vax. The trade off for that should be full removal of the emergency measure put in place as we hit certain vax numbers. BUT - what you see is the government constantly extending and slipping in new bills and so on furthering their powers and as everyone always says, governments are loathe to give up powers once they get them. Everyone used to mock the Chinese government style social credits and surveillance state but more and more that's where the western world is heading.

Anyway as far as Donny goes, how often are they even training? I saw the lake run squad out again this morning. I can't imagine they are doubling up this early in the campaign so how many squad sessions is Donald even having to go to? One or two a week? Also, someone needs to buy Parker a shirt. Never seen him wearing one. He is getting close to post training Choc at the old Salty Rooster territory...
I get the issue with the state government’s, and agree they’ve become addicted to the power trip.
 
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This isn’t exactly what it seems.

I read that the fact that BHP didn’t consult with its workforce is the reason the decision was found unlawful NOT what they were trying to do.

Apparently BHP are now doing what they should have done and the rule will be reintroduced within 2 weeks.
 
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Back today apparently.
And will not say if his vaccinated due to private reasons.

Yet every player has to ? Wow. Manly are sticking solid on this one.

Man. Beaten to the punch :(.
 
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Apparently Donny back at training this morning, unknown if he is vaxed as the club is reluctant to say anything about personal details.
Interesting.

I wonder if it was ever actually confirmed that he is unvaccinated?

The original article seems to have based that conclusion on Don's social media posts & a conversation with Steven Humphreys (in which he didn't actually confirm Singe's vaccination status but said things which could imply he is not vaccinated) but has Singe actually confirmed it himself?

Perhaps the club has since been advised to make no further comment until all of the legalities have been ironed out?

Imagine if Singe actually has been vaccinated all this time & the article is based on hearsay only? It's potentially created a witchhunt for which they could be legally liable?
 
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Interesting.

I wonder if it was ever actually confirmed that he is unvaccinated?

The original article seems to have based that conclusion on Don's social media posts & a conversation with Steven Humphreys (in which he didn't actually confirm Singe's vaccination status but said things which could imply he is not vaccinated) but has Singe actually confirmed it himself?

Perhaps the club has since been advised to make no further comment until all of the legalities have been ironed out?

Imagine if Singe actually has been vaccinated all this time & the article is based on hearsay only? It's potentially created a witchhunt for which they could be legally liable?
Surely the club has to come clean on this one, NRL have covid protocols, you can't just keep quiet on the issue and hide behind privacy, everyone involved has to show proof of vax
 
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Surely the club has to come clean on this one, NRL have covid protocols, you can't just keep quiet on the issue and hide behind privacy, everyone involved has to show proof of vax
Agree, but if there are any mitigating circumstances justifying Singe not getting vaccinated, is the club obligated to announce them (or even allowed to due to privacy laws)?

That's if he's NOT vaccinated, which we dont know for sure, as the article can only be based on hearsay, unless Singe has told Rothfield himself he isn't vaccinated.

Also, Singe only has to show proof of vaccination to his employer & any establishment he wishes to enter that requires it, not to Rothfield nor to the general public.
 

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You honestly think considering the media coverage that if he was vac'd they would not have said something?

If so that would be horrific managment even for this club
 
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You honestly think considering the media coverage that if he was vac'd they would not have said something?

If so that would be horrific managment even for this club
Remember the media coverage about Walker not being vaccinated?

The club neither confirmed nor denied his vaxx status until after he'd signed his contract (& even then it may not have been the club who confirmed it but the author of the article, possibly by the same means he announced Walker wasn't vaccinated).

The media often beats up stories to create headlines but that doesnt mean the subject of their beat up is obliged to clarify the situation publicly, & I suspect there may be some legalities around announcing someone's vaccination status that would result in no comment from the club involved.

The original article doesnt state the source for their claim (that Singe is unvaccinated).

It only states that he is unvaccinated 4 times in the headline & first 3 sentences (hint of sensationalism) & that he broke the rules by not wearing a mask (we dont know the exact circumstances illustrated in the photo).

Humphreys doesn't confirm Singe's vaxx status, he only says the club are meeting their obligations under the protocols, that Singe is tested every day (which is probably a requirement for all club employees & players) & that the club is assisting with Singe's family's education on the matter (apparently in response to being asked if he was encouraging Singe to get vaccinated).

All I'm saying is, if someone's vaccination status is their own private business that they are only obliged to reveal to their employer & any establishment that requires it upon entry, what is the source proving the articles' claim Singe is unvaccinated?

Manly Sea Eagles trainer Don Singe running training sessions while unvaccinated from Covid-19​

The NRL is facing a Covid nightmare with revelations a senior Manly staffer has been working unvaccinated while supervising players during training.
Phil RothfieldSports Editor-at-large

The Manly Sea Eagles have created an NRL Covid furore by allowing their head of high performance to work unvaccinated while supervising players and overseeing the club’s off-season training programs.
The Daily Telegraph has obtained photographs from the club’s North Narrabeen training headquarters on Tuesday of unvaccinated and unmasked sports fitness guru Don Singe in charge of a two-hour session.

He had a white mask around his wrist but was not wearing it in accordance with club health protocols.
Somehow Singe gets daily access to Manly’s state government-owned fitness centre despite a huge sign showing proof of vaccination is required to enter the facility.

Manly stands accused of shocking double standards after pressuring a number of their high-profile players to get vaccinated in recent months.
One of their star players, Josh Aloiai, last week became the first NRL player to test positive to Covid, although he had not been in contact with Singe.

Singe is a controversial figure who fell out with one of Australia’s most experienced sports doctors Nathan Gibbs last season over his conditioning methods which led to the veteran medico quitting the club.

Manly’s chief executive Stephen Humphreys insists the club is not breaking health protocols.

“Don is discussing his situation with his GP and our chief medical officer,” Humphreys said.

“It’s under review at the moment is the way I’d describe it.

“I really don’t want to talk about the private health matters of any of my employees.

“It’s not my place to talk about his beliefs.”

This at a time when the NRL has been strongly advocating Covid vaccinations with more than 500 contracted players, coaches and officials.

Only half a dozen players across the entire game remain unvaccinated.
Humphreys however insists: “We are definitely adhering to NRL protocols.

“Don is getting tested every day and completing all the details on his full whereabouts.

“He’s wearing a mask and not going into shared areas of the facility.”

However, a cameraman from The Daily Telegraph took photos on Tuesday morning which showed this was not the case in regards to Singe wearing his mask.

“The NRL would expect us to follow the protocols which we are,” Humphreys said.

When asked about the sign at the entrance to Manly training requesting proof of vaccination upon entry, Humphreys responded: “As I told you, we are complying with all NRL and Sydney Academy of Sport requirements and protocols.”

The Daily Telegraph understands not all Manly players are aware of Singe’s position, although he has actively expressed his anti-vax beliefs on social media.

Many of his recent posts have now been taken down.

He recently re-shared a Facebook post of a famous photo of a man refusing to do the “Sieg Heil” salute during a Nazi rally in Hamburg in 1936, which anti-vaxxers have used lately to liken to the push for mandatory vaccinations.
Whether you are unvaccinated or vaccinated is not an issue, the really important life changing question is … ‘Will you demonstrate tolerance and empathy for peoples (sic) personal choice’,” Singe wrote, accompanying the post.

Asked if he was encouraging Singe to get vaccinated, Humphreys said: “Yes we’re helping him and his family around education. I’d hope that it will come to a good conclusion soon.”

Singe declined to return phone calls or text messages when The Daily Telegraph attempted to contact him yesterday.
If the situation remains unchanged, Singe will be banned from attending matches interstate or possibly at other match-day venues in Sydney where proof of double vaccination is required.

Clint Newtown, head of the RLPA, said he was unaware Singe was working with the players while unvaccinated.
The club has an obligation to continue to provide a safe and healthy workplace,” he said. “They have to put the right protocols in place that includes daily testing and other biosecurity measures.”

The NRL has been approached for comment.
 
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Remember the media coverage about Walker not being vaccinated?

The club neither confirmed nor denied his vaxx status until after he'd signed his contract (& even then it may not have been the club who confirmed it but the author of the article, possibly by the same means he announced Walker wasn't vaccinated).

The media often beats up stories to create headlines but that doesnt mean the subject of their beat up is obliged to clarify the situation publicly, & I suspect there may be some legalities around announcing someone's vaccination status that would result in no comment from the club involved.

The original article doesnt state the source for their claim (that Singe is unvaccinated).

It only states that he is unvaccinated 4 times in the headline & first 3 sentences (hint of sensationalism) & that he broke the rules by not wearing a mask (we dont know the exact circumstances illustrated in the photo).

Humphreys doesn't confirm Singe's vaxx status, he only says the club are meeting their obligations under the protocols, that Singe is tested every day (which is probably a requirement for all club employees & players) & that the club is assisting with Singe's family's education on the matter (apparently in response to being asked if he was encouraging Singe to get vaccinated).

All I'm saying is, if someone's vaccination status is their own private business that they are only obliged to reveal to their employer & any establishment that requires it upon entry, what is the source proving the articles' claim Singe is unvaccinated?
Mmmm think you need to get your tin foil hat out if you think there’s a likelihood that Singe was vaccinated prior to the 30 Nov deadline and this is just a media beat up. MWSE would not be offering education/support etc to Singe and/or his family unless they were unvaccinated.
 
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Mmmm think you need to get your tin foil hat out if you think there’s a likelihood that Singe was vaccinated prior to the 30 Nov deadline and this is just a media beat up. MWSE would not be offering education/support etc to Singe and/or his family unless they were unvaccinated.
I'm no conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer.

I'm just suggesting there may be more to the story that we dont know.
 
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It is a weird fact that at least a few of the rabid anti-vaxxers such as Craig Kelly are vaccinated. He is pinning his hopes on future power by talking vaccination down in the hope that he gets 5% of the vote, which would be enough to be a senator.
 

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