Manly v Dragons [Round 15, 2018] - Pre-Game Discussion

[Snake]

Tom Wright will be playing 6 this weekend with Hodkinson at 9.

 

[HappilyManly]

Anyone else find the sound really low on these Sea Eagles vids? I have my laptop up as high as it will go and still hard to hear.

And we still can't hear the questions

 

[Wombat64]

hope they use lube

 

[HappilyManly]

Tom Wright will be playing 6 this weekend with Hodkinson at 9.

Interesting move, Baz has listened to the visionaries on ST

 

[KaZa]

Interesting move, Baz has listened to the visionaries on ST

Good to see he has common sense. No brainer imo. Cant have Wright or Brown at hooker. At least Hodkinson can pass. Even though his defence is suspect.. so do the other options. At least we get to see the right Wright play.

 

[HappilyManly]

Good to see he has common sense. No brainer imo. Cant have Wright or Brown at hooker. At least Hodkinson can pass. Even though his defence is suspect.. so do the other options. At least we get to see the right Wright play.

And Hodko can sneak in a kick or two, which Api hasn't added into his repertoire

 

[Budgie]

Who gives a rat's arse what Soward thinks

No need to be rude. Just providing info others may not have seen.

 

[Bearfax]

The NRLs decision to block Manly from using Fainu is a utter disgrace and demonstrates to me that they have it In for the club. What a load of rubbish suggesting Wright, Brown or Hastings could play hooker. Hooker is not the primary position of any of those players. They play there out of necessity on occasions but that is not their primary role. I know Fainu is regarded as a half, but he has been playing hooker for the past two seasons. He is therefore justifiably recognised as a Hooker. The NRL are a disgrace. I really hope Manly give it to them in court in the near future and demand extensive compensation and hands off clauses.. They need to be shown how vitriolic they have been to the Sea eagles club. For goodness sake they could suggest Tom T. should be hooker, or perhaps Jake. Other clubs get assistance. Manly gets nothing from this shoddy NRL admin.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Perret cut. M.Wright named at hooker with Brown now on the bench......please let this be a smokescreen

 

[HappilyManly]

Manase Fainu and Lloyd Perrett have dropped out of the 21 man squad named on Tuesday for the match at WIN Stadium, Wollongong.

 

[Mr Manly 007]

Hopefully the Dragons are flat after a short turn around ( played Monday) and Manly play great - our enthusiasm , aggression must lead the way with a fast start .

 

[40 years an eagle]

I'm looking forward to today's game, because it doesn't hurt anymore if we lose.

There...I said it.
Sad.

 

[Sue]

The NRLs decision to block Manly from using Fainu is a utter disgrace and demonstrates to me that they have it In for the club. What a load of rubbish suggesting Wright, Brown or Hastings could play hooker. Hooker is not the primary position of any of those players. They play there out of necessity on occasions but that is not their primary role. I know Fainu is regarded as a half, but he has been playing hooker for the past two seasons. He is therefore justifiably recognised as a Hooker. The NRL are a disgrace. I really hope Manly give it to them in court in the near future and demand extensive compensation and hands off clauses.. They need to be shown how vitriolic they have been to the Sea eagles club. For goodness sake they could suggest Tom T. should be hooker, or perhaps Jake. Other clubs get assistance. Manly gets nothing from this shoddy NRL admin.

Usually agree with you Bearfax but not this time.What is a disgrace is having one hooker in the top thirty. The coach made a conscious decision to roll the dice with Api and utilties as back up. He lost.

Not the NRL s fault.Hastings and Brown was our back up plan all the time and we all know it.As if the plan was to bring in Fainu if Api went down! The only reason they tried to elevate Fainu is that Hastings is blackballed and Brown is ordinary.Neither of those is the NRLs fault. We all know Hastings would have the spot if he was not THE OUTCAST .Let’s not rewrite history.

What is an even bigger disgrace is that Funa and Jono have a place and no hooker.If Parcell was in the top 30 and was injured also Fainu would be playing.

Bad roster management.

The dogs had a player knocked back just like us last week.It happens regularly. Sick of the excuses. Wins some games or at least play with some heart. Fans will cop an honourable loss, but they won’t cop the rubbish we dish up most weeks.That’s how you turn things around. Pride in the jersey, something this club has always had and something which has deserted us.

And can we end the court case stuff. It’s not going to happen and we all know it. As if Penn is going to go to court over some perceived slight and spend another few million after losing every year since he owned the joint..Ive been a litigation lawyer in a past life and people just don’t understand what it costs to mount a case against a party with deeper pockets that will defend its ground through the trial AND appeals process, particularly when the action entails being part of a private competition that basically operates under a situation where the club agrees to abide by the rules set when it is granted a licence. The case would be based on the grounds of denial of natural justice and good luck with that one , believe me!.An internal administrative appeal to the NRL as we are seeking leave for now is chicken feed when compared to a prolonged civil court action. We run on a shoestring budget anyway so I for one don’t want to see dollars that might help our footy club flushed over this stuff. Supposedly our ridiculous catchcry over the years is that we love being hated so we can’t have it both ways.

For a club in our position to do it would be a farce. And it seems to be forgotten that the way the salary cap penalty was structured Penn actually BENEFITTED financially, even though our capacity to pay players was reduced.The club still receives the full grant, our capacity to spend the proceeds of that grant under the cap decreases and the amount of that deduction exceeds the fine. Yep ... so Penns going to spend millions fighting that lol.

It’s not going to happen.We all know it. Win some games instead.Great to see Tom get a crack. Hope he goes well.

 

[Technical Coach]

Usually agree with you Bearfax but not this time.What is a disgrace is having one hooker in the top thirty. The coach made a conscious decision to roll the dice with Api and utilties as back up. He lost.

Not the NRL s fault.Hastings and Brown was our back up plan all the time and we all know it.As if the plan was to bring in Fainu if Api went down! The only reason they tried to elevate Fainu is that Hastings is blackballed and Brown is ordinary.Neither of those is the NRLs fault. We all know Hastings would have the spot if he was not THE OUTCAST .Let’s not rewrite history.

What is an even bigger disgrace is that Funa and Jono have a place and no hooker.If Parcell was in the top 30 and was injured also Fainu would be playing.

Bad roster management.

The dogs had a player knocked back just like us last week.It happens regularly. Sick of the excuses. Wins some games or at least play with some heart. Fans will cop an honourable loss, but they won’t cop the rubbish we dish up most weeks.That’s how you turn things around. Pride in the jersey, something this club has always had and something which has deserted us.

And can we end the court case stuff. It’s not going to happen and we all know it. As if Penn is going to go to court over some perceived slight and spend another few million after losing every year since he owned the joint..Ive been a litigation lawyer in a past life and people just don’t understand what it costs to mount a case against a party with deeper pockets that will defend its ground through the trial AND appeals process, particularly when the action entails being part of a private competition that basically operates under a situation where the club agrees to abide by the rules set when it is granted a licence. The case would be based on the grounds of denial of natural justice and good luck with that one , believe me!.An internal administrative appeal to the NRL as we are seeking leave for now is chicken feed when compared to a prolonged civil court action. We run on a shoestring budget anyway so I for one don’t want to see dollars that might help our footy club flushed over this stuff. Supposedly our ridiculous catchcry over the years is that we love being hated so we can’t have it both ways.

For a club in our position to do it would be a farce. And it seems to be forgotten that the way the salary cap penalty was structured Penn actually BENEFITTED financially, even though our capacity to pay players was reduced.The club still receives the full grant, our capacity to spend the proceeds of that grant under the cap decreases and the amount of that deduction exceeds the fine. Yep ... so Penns going to spend millions fighting that lol.

It’s not going to happen.We all know it. Win some games instead.Great to see Tom get a crack. Hope he goes well.

Let's first work on having pride in ones own performance before the tug at the heart strings of "true supporters" pride in the jersey lines.

 

[Sue]

Let's first work on having pride in ones own performance before the tug at the heart strings of "true supporters" pride in the jersey lines.

Pedantic.Who mentioned true supporters?

You know what I mean. Successful clubs have

1 players who have pride in their own performance and

2 those same players have pride in the club and coach they play for and the fans that support them ( and pay their salaries!)

We used to have both in spades.

If you want to separate the two knock yourself out.In my experience they generally go hand in hand..It defines a TEAM.You don’t win without both.

 

[Technical Coach]

Pedantic.Who mentioned true supporters?

You know what I mean. Successful clubs have

1 players who have pride in their own performance and

2 those same players have pride in the club they play for and the fans that support them ( and pay their salaries!)

We used to have both in spades.

If you want to separate the two knock yourself out.In my experience they generally go together.

I find pride in the jersey is over-rated.

Players perform at Melb and many other successful clubs worldwide not due to pride in the jersey, but pride in ones own performance, good coaching and respecting their team-mates enough to not want to let each other down.

Clubs that create a good working environment enhance the chances of luring such players to the fold.

My "true supporter" vibe was to illustrate how simplistic such a view is, it is more about impressing upon the fans to state such lines than to actually mean what you say.

 

[Sue]

And when they are in that good environment they develop a pride in the organisation that created it and perform accordingly.They want to play for the club and their mates.That’s what I mean by pride in the jersey.Anyone who spends time around a footy club knows what I mean.

Call it what you like . What you suggest is the same thing.It’s called being part of something, being proud of something and not just working on your own performance. Otherwise you end up with a team full of Jarryd Haynes and we know how that story ends don’t we.

Anyway , whatever it is , we AINT GOT It any more .

 

[Technical Coach]

And when they are in that good environment they develop a pride in the organisation that created it and perform accordingly.They want to play for the club! That’s what I mean by pride in the jersey.

Call it what you like . What you suggest is the same thing.It’s called being part of something, being proud of something and not just working on your own performance as you suggest.That way you end up with 13 Jarryd Haynes.

Anyway , whatever it is , we AINT GOT It any more .

Pride in ones performance is not about selfishness, it is about being true to yourself----zero to do with "Jarryd Hayne" types.

It's also about understanding the impact your own lack of effort and attention to detail can have on others and make them look bad also.

For example not making the extra effort to cover your outside players inside shoulder in defence when needed can make it look like the outside defenders missed tackle was solely their fault in many peoples uneducated eyes.

 

[Sue]

We are talking about the same thing mate. Semantics, it’s the same thing ! Work for yourself, other players, coach and club.

In a nutshell , get out there , play for your club and beat the f... ing dragons!!!

 

[smithy]

Perret cut. M.Wright named at hooker with Brown now on the bench......please let this be a smokescreen

Part smokescreen. M Wright at hooker T Wright bench no brown from what I’m told. Hodkinson will give M Wright a break with T Wright to play at 6 for part game.