Manly Match-Fixing Investigation

[WESTIE]

Well, waking up and fearing another terrible headline, I can now go to work happy as Manly hasn't been linked to ISIS overnight.

Ap IS ai Koro IS au....have a good day at work Nicci.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not a simple exercise banning it, with betting going offshore via the internet. But tough jobs can be more interesting than the simple ones. Banning it, and stopping the active promotion of betting like we've done with smoking might be a couple of starting points.

Rationally, betting makes no sense at all. It's blatantly obvious the odds are stacked against us, that it can corrupt and kill the sport we love, and can be addictively damaging to those we care about. But who said people are in any way rational?

Well said Rex!!

 

[Mitch]

Seems that the odds given by a Carribean betting agency for a South win +8 against Manly were crunched in the last two days leading up to the match from $1.93-$1.74.

I'm not a massive punter but, I'm aware that is a decent swing leading up to the game.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/le...etection-of-massive-bets-20160607-gpdqj6.html

 

[susan]

How significant a firming market like that is depends on how the agency's book is positioned and predominantly what the bookie holds on the match. I would imagine the amount held would be tiny on an Aus League match so a small bet from a desperate Rasta on the chase could cause a 20c shift.

To get big money on most would be in Aus because the market has so many players and it is a leading sport. There were no huge betting moves in the games in question and the biggest tell of all- no squealing moaning bookies. As the Sherriff said the other day- if there is a rort on they would be screaming from mountain tops.i have no doubt match fixing occurs in some form at times but the games in question just don't fit the bill.

 

[tookey]

Unless the overseas betting agencies have ways of taking cash bets any money transferred to them will be easy to find electronically

It will be interesting to see if they discover if any NRL players have been betting on their teams to lose matches

They may not get anyone on match fixing charges but betting on your team to lose while they are playing in the same game will be enough to kiss their football careers goodbye

 

[manlyfan76]

How significant a firming market like that is depends on how the agency's book is positioned and predominantly what the bookie holds on the match. I would imagine the amount held would be tiny on an Aus League match so a small bet from a desperate Rasta on the chase could cause a 20c shift.

To get big money on most would be in Aus because the market has so many players and it is a leading sport. There were no huge betting moves in the games in question and the biggest tell of all- no squealing moaning bookies. As the Sherriff said the other day- if there is a rort on they would be screaming from mountain tops.i have no doubt match fixing occurs in some form at times but the games in question just don't fit the bill.

Could not agree more.
Remember last year the tennis pkayer got caught throwing a game in some third teir backwater game, it wasnt a large bet and the bookies were all over it.

 

[manlyfan76]

Match-fixing tennis player Nick Lindahl sentenced but avoids jail
By Nick Dole
Updated 18 Apr 2016, 3:43pm

PHOTO: The court was told Nick Lindahl did not get personal benefit from the match-fixing. (ABC News: Nick Dole )
RELATED STORY: Former tennis pro Nick Lindahl pleads guilty to match-fixing charge
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A former professional tennis player has avoided a jail term for fixing a match and attempting to conceal the evidence.

Nick Lindahl, 27, faced a maximum two-year prison sentence, but was given a 12-month good behaviour bond and a $1,000 fine.

Lindahl was the favourite to win a match at the Toowoomba Futures in 2013 but approached his opponent, Andrew Corbitt, offering to throw the fixture in exchange for $500.

Mr Corbitt refused the offer and reported the matter to officials.

Lindahl then told a friend, Matthew Fox, that he planned to tank during the match.

Mr Fox and another associate, Ryan Wolfenden, placed bets on Mr Corbitt to win, who was attracting odds of $7.50

Police prosecutor Sergeant Kate Young told Burwood Local Court that Lindahl was the central figure in the scheme.

"He was the linchpin in this activity," she said.

When betting agencies noticed that over $3,000 had been bet on a match which would normally attract a few hundred they suspended the market.

Lindahl was arrested at the Homebush Tennis Centre in 2014 and a day later, police intercepted a phone call during which he told Mr Fox to get rid of evidence.

"You deleted all your **** and stuff?" he asked.

"Get rid of it. Get rid of everything."

He also told Mr Fox he had tanked matches before , saying he would be "a stupid tennis player" if he did not do it.

Lindahl's barrister, Troy Edwards, said his client did not receive any financial benefit from the "unsophisticated" crime and the charges made a career in tennis coaching difficult to pursue.

"He's lost his tennis career as a result of this," Mr Edwards said.

Magistrate Michelle Goodwin said she believed Lindahl was remorseful and would never fix a match again.

"I have no doubt this has been a very, very difficult time for you," she said.

His highest singles ranking was 187 in May 2010.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-18/tennis-player-sentenced-over-toowoomba-match-fixing/7334146

 

[susan]

Maybe someone who has followed this in a bit more in depth can help here? The two matches in question being investigated- have these games in question been confirmed by the police or is it just the press throwing them around? I cannot imagine the NSW major crime squad investigating games with no odd betting movements like these games. Doesn't make sense.

I tend to think given the supposed seriousness of this there must be something else in play as the silence from the normally squealing satchel swingers has been deafening,not just these games but any recent games .... And that probably means phone taps... On the other hand I think I'm going to stop this train of thought right now

 

[susan]

If the laws in NSW are the same as Queensland ( I assume they would be at least as strong given the corruption issues in NSW )that is another downside of hanging around with these organized crime types. If you appear regularly speaking to a person whose phone has been tapped via a legal warrant it makes it a lot easier for a judge to approve a tap on your phone. ( My brother is a senior detective in Queensland and worked in major crime squads investigations) There is zero upside in fraternising with these clowns.

 

[HappilyManly]

Unless the overseas betting agencies have ways of taking cash bets any money transferred to them will be easy to find electronically

It will be interesting to see if they discover if any NRL players have been betting on their teams to lose matches

They may not get anyone on match fixing charges but betting on your team to lose while they are playing in the same game will be enough to kiss their football careers goodbye

The movement of money is hardly ever A to B.

The huge Cricket fixes and financing of terrorists, money laundering is usually via third parties.
Someone can buy a house from you at an inflated price, then they buy a new luxury car in Europe and a bookie in Singapore buys the same car as a second hand car at lesser price, which is the bet. etc

It's hard to trace the money flow, that's why the Cricket game fixes are only ever caught by complex stings, usually by a Newspaper chasing the story.

There was an interesting doco a few years back, on how the drug cartels had warehouses of cash that they could not move, due to governments finally legislating on the reporting of cash purchases for assets.
They have full time staff working on recruiting third party people to go and do the shopping, then reselling.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

If the last few posts are anything to indicate then they can kiss bye bye to a conviction based on overseas bets.

They need to find the alleged $50k per player, and that's either in an account OR a massive change in spending habits.

For example , " here's $10k darling go and buy yourself some dresses and jewellery and whilst doing that here's another $10k which should take care of the groceries , booze and incidentals for a few months".

Suddenly, apart from the expensive mortgage and luxury car loan nothing is going out of a persons account for 2 months.

That can't be too hard can it??

Look, I don't want any current or past player found guilty BUT if they are we need to cut out the clique , and move forward with a zero tolerance policy on players associating with these low life's.

How does that sound Joe ??? ( assuming you are glued to this like your assistant media manager).

 

[HappilyManly]

If the last few posts are anything to indicate then they can kiss bye bye to a conviction based on overseas bets.

They need to find the alleged $50k per player, and that's either in an account OR a massive change in spending habits.

For example , " here's $10k darling go and buy yourself some dresses and jewellery and whilst doing that here's another $10k which should take care of the groceries , booze and incidentals for a few months".

Suddenly, apart from the expensive mortgage and luxury car loan nothing is going out of a persons account for 2 months.

That can't be too hard can it??

Look, I don't want any current or past player found guilty BUT if they are we need to cut out the clique , and move forward with a zero tolerance policy on players associating with these low life's.

How does that sound Joe ??? ( assuming you are glued to this like your assistant media manager).

The 50k could have remained in the offshore betting account.

Nobody knows anything of substance.
That's why all forms of media are enjoying their own spins on the heresay😕

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

The 50k could have remained in the offshore betting account.

Nobody knows anything of substance.
That's why all forms of media are enjoying their own spins on the heresay😕

Spins and hearsay

So far that's all it is.

 

[Loaded dog]

Not a simple exercise banning it, with betting going offshore via the internet. But tough jobs can be more interesting than the simple ones. Banning it, and stopping the active promotion of betting like we've done with smoking might be a couple of starting points.

Rationally, betting makes no sense at all. It's blatantly obvious the odds are stacked against us, that it can corrupt and kill the sport we love, and can be addictively damaging to those we care about. But who said people are in any way rational?

Well said Rex.
So far, it is good to see no one has come out in support of betting.

I realise that gambling cannot be stopped, however it is about winners and losers. Trouble is that there are infinitely more losers than winners and the big winners (bookies included) create the environment to ensure that THEY WIN and others lose. I am not some sort of wowser by the way, but it saddens me to drive past the local club on pension day and see how full the car park is. The ones who are least able to afford it are the biggest losers.

 

[Budgie]

I'm starting to wonder if the ultra quick departure of our newly announced football manager at the start of the year - his name just skipped out of my brain - who was a former cop , had anything to do with all this?
Just a thought.

 

[Bradza]

My spin on it. I'm thinking that the concept of the scam was discussed for the Souths game but for whatever reason it never went ahead. Someone has coughed up that info in return for lighter punishment elsewhere (or reward) and that has the authorities interested. That is why there is some detail about what was planned but no obvious evidence in the markets and nothing obvious in that game. The Parra game is then thrown in because it did look sus in terms of effort and errors but then again there's no evidence and we actually almost won anyway.

This is most likely a shakedown and warning to the NRL and players and Manly's reputation is the unfortunate collateral damage. Defamed at the worst possible time given the sponsorship crap from FAL.

 

[manlyfan76]

Does any one want to run a betting pool on this whole saga?

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

I'm starting to wonder if the ultra quick departure of our newly announced football manager at the start of the year - his name just skipped out of my brain - who was a former cop , had anything to do with all this?
Just a thought.

Charlie Haggett, ex-cop and ex Eagles hooker. More likely to be just another example of management competence (or lack thereof) than related to this latest drama.

 

[midsteyne]

50k wouldn't be the changeover price on a decent luxury car

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

My spin on it. I'm thinking that the concept of the scam was discussed for the Souths game but for whatever reason it never went ahead. Someone has coughed up that info in return for lighter punishment elsewhere (or reward) and that has the authorities interested. That is why there is some detail about what was planned but no obvious evidence in the markets and nothing obvious in that game. The Parra game is then thrown in because it did look sus in terms of effort and errors but then again there's no evidence and we actually almost won anyway.

This is most likely a shakedown and warning to the NRL and players and Manly's reputation is the unfortunate collateral damage. Defamed at the worst possible time given the sponsorship crap from FAL.

Possibly the best post so far on the subject and probably 99% spot on.

Good work mate!!