Manly coach Des Hasler’s contract described as ‘biggest disaster I’ve ever seen’

Garrick and Parker are actually good examples. Both played strongly a couple of years ago as youngsters in our team, and actually got picked in minor reps sides.
Then, whether through second year syndrome or just oppositions working out their weaknesses, they now seem pretty darn ordinary.
But do you really think they are worse players now than they were in 2019? They aren't worse, they are better, but if they aren't at and can't achieve grand final winning quality then we''ll replace them at some point.
That point will be when we have someone better. Not just when we have someone younger!
They are better? I’m sorry I don’t agree with you. Just because they have played longer? Do you think Foran is better now or when he was with us 2011-215?

You say we should only move them on if we know they aren’t “grand final winning quality.” I think we can safely call this now.

I understand your point that we don’t wipe out 10 players and bring in new ones just for the sake of youth, but I don’t think people are calling for such a simplistic change. I want specific players who have had plenty of opportunity to prove they deserve to be there and have failed to be replaced by young talent and give them that same time to prove themselves.
 
So you want to throw in some young talent and give them that same time, meaning a year or two, to prove themselves.
Hey they may turn out to be better than Parker and Garrick. But maybe they'll be worse.
Why not wait until those talented youngsters can actually play a few games in reserve grade and demand by their form that they deserve a crack at NRL?
Olakauatu is the main talented youngster that springs to my mind and he would have been next up if he hadn't got hurt himself.
Koula? No, let him play a few more games before throwing him to the lions to get trampled by the likes of Kikau, Sivo and Ravalawa
 
So you want to throw in some young talent and give them that same time, meaning a year or two, to prove themselves.
Hey they may turn out to be better than Parker and Garrick. But maybe they'll be worse.
Why not wait until those talented youngsters can actually play a few games in reserve grade and demand by their form that they deserve a crack at NRL?
Olakauatu is the main talented youngster that springs to my mind and he would have been next up if he hadn't got hurt himself.
Koula? No, let him play a few more games before throwing him to the lions to get trampled by the likes of Kikau, Sivo and Ravalawa
Actually, I mean give them that same mindset that you will stick with them until they prove themselves to be up to it or not.

Common sense still needs to come into obviously. If they have five or six shockers in a row, you’ll give them things to work on and put them in reggies to hone those areas.

Besides, I’d like to see Tuipulotu in for Garrick, Walker to centre and Harper at fullback. I’d also swap the playing time of Cust and Croker around. Hardly risky. Koula is exciting and I’d be happy for him to have a crack but I would go Tui first.

You want young players to prove themselves in Blacktown first. I get the logic; however, it needs to cut both ways. Players in first grade also need to prove themselves worthy of being picked each week - many aren’t.

We can’t exactly go backwards by making changes can we? We have won one game in our last thirteen. That’s dead last amongst all teams over the same period.
 
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I disagree, we can go backwards, but its vital we don't.
Garrick and Parker are both under the pump, especially Garrick. He would know of the rumours that we tried to shop him in exchange for Saab, who has now taken his spot on the right wing. That has to have dented his confidence a bit. When he's finally dropped it will probably take a fair while for him to regain confidence, so there's no point dropping him until you have a reasonable degree of certainty the new bloke will actually do better.
The long-term contract for Tuipulotu was exciting news. If he's as good as we hope it shouldn't take more than a few reserve games for him to make his case.
 
I disagree, we can go backwards, but its vital we don't.
Garrick and Parker are both under the pump, especially Garrick. He would know of the rumours that we tried to shop him in exchange for Saab, who has now taken his spot on the right wing. That has to have dented his confidence a bit. When he's finally dropped it will probably take a fair while for him to regain confidence, so there's no point dropping him until you have a reasonable degree of certainty the new bloke will actually do better.
The long-term contract for Tuipulotu was exciting news. If he's as good as we hope it shouldn't take more than a few reserve games for him to make his case.
Anyone is better than garrick lol
 
Garrick's form was terrible in Round 1, bit better last week? If he’s a complete dud then he did well to get chosen among this lot 18 months ago

Australian PM’s XIII Men’s Squad

Clint Gutherson

Kyle Feldt

Paul Momirovski

Brad Parker

Blake Ferguson

Cody Walker

Mitchell Moses

Paul Vaughan

Ben Hunt

Payne Haas

Wade Graham ©

Tyson Frizell

Jake Trbojevic

Jai Arrow

Reuben Garrick

David Fifita

Reed Mahoney

Nathan Brown

Thomas Flegler



COACH: Mal Meninga
 
Garrick's form was terrible in Round 1, bit better last week? If he’s a complete dud then he did well to get chosen among this lot 18 months ago

Australian PM’s XIII Men’s Squad

Clint Gutherson

Kyle Feldt

Paul Momirovski

Brad Parker

Blake Ferguson

Cody Walker

Mitchell Moses

Paul Vaughan

Ben Hunt

Payne Haas

Wade Graham ©

Tyson Frizell

Jake Trbojevic

Jai Arrow

Reuben Garrick

David Fifita

Reed Mahoney

Nathan Brown

Thomas Flegler



COACH: Mal Meninga
Who are the two worst players there? Be honest ;-)
 
Garrick was previously getting a lot more and really expected scoring opportunities and in his i st season with Manly in particular ,Has been noticeable that all the outside Manly backs have had very ordinary or limited attacking opportunities for about 18 months or so now . Garrick has some issues in defence but that whole defensive structure on his side has been a weakness for quite some time now also . Blame the halfs , attack gravitating to the middle too much , a higher percentage of unforced errors and less possession but, really can not place or apportion too much blame on the outside men when the inside players are not performing to expected levels . Would really hope that Koula can be fast tracked as soon as possible and would have to think that Saab would have more upside then Garrick but again would not be overly critical on Garrick when a few of his current team mates on pretty decent money are definitely under performing .
 
Surely it's common sense to make changes to a losing team? Fortunately we have some potential replacements for players who have proven they are not up to First Grade standard. We should be happy about this and give them a try.
We'd really be stuffed if the top 13 DESpicable selects were actually our best!
 
Tippy Toes , Burbo Harper Funa koula , Sipley will or are getting their opportunity to make claims for i st grade and Saddler would surely have to come into calculations before not too long . Schuster is a starting player now and as would have been Olokoa - atu if he was not injured . Improved effort last week , some players still struggling and changes will have to inevitably come if some current i st graders can not lift their form a bit .
 
Surely it's common sense to make changes to a losing team? Fortunately we have some potential replacements for players who have proven they are not up to First Grade standard. We should be happy about this and give them a try.
We'd really be stuffed if the top 13 DESpicable selects were actually our best!

Eventually there’ll be no one else to pick so they’ll have to be used.

Let’s face it , it’s round 3 and I think we have 8 unavailable ALREADY.

If this continues , in about 3 weeks we’ll be sending a rescue mission to Mars for more players
 
Garrick was previously getting a lot more and really expected scoring opportunities and in his i st season with Manly in particular ,Has been noticeable that all the outside Manly backs have had very ordinary or limited attacking opportunities for about 18 months or so now . Garrick has some issues in defence but that whole defensive structure on his side has been a weakness for quite some time now also . Blame the halfs , attack gravitating to the middle too much , a higher percentage of unforced errors and less possession but, really can not place or apportion too much blame on the outside men when the inside players are not performing to expected levels . Would really hope that Koula can be fast tracked as soon as possible and would have to think that Saab would have more upside then Garrick but again would not be overly critical on Garrick when a few of his current team mates on pretty decent money are definitely under performing .
Garrick is a liability in defence; however, I agree that he isn't on his own there. That doesn't excuse it though, especially when you couple this with his lack of metres coming out of his own end (a key requirement of wingers these days). He is most commonly seen being driven backwards: literally losing metres. His time has come and someone like Tui (who has made the extended bench) should be given his shot.

You are also right that DCE isn't performing, in fact, he has been atrocious. The difference is that he does have a lot more runs on the board than Garrick (though he gets paid a lot more too), and is much, much harder to replace. You could make him hooker with Foran and Schu in the seven and six. That has merit, but is more of a dramatic move than Tui coming in for Garrick (which in itself is only one of a number of moves needed to bring about a change of fortune).
 
Basic common sense tells you that if you keep failing by approaching a matter a certain way you must change your approach to achieve different results. I see very little change in our selections and the way we play the game. In 3 outings in 2021 we have conceded approximately 122 points. What is going on?
 
We are becoming embarrassing, we are becoming the biggest joke in the comp, the easy beats, the club with no idea, what other club would even consider starting the year without a recognised 9, no cover for 1 and then stick solid with 1 from our last eleven, **** why not even reward those results, by upgrading our coaches contract, (what other clubs would do that, clubs usually do that in recognition of results, creating a winning culture, upside and the like) changes are only happening in our camp as a result of injury, poor form seems certain to be nurtured as a result of mis guided loyalty, (preform or be held accountable) our recruiting is inept, we are losing-releasing quality players, winning is a cultural thing and so to is losing, we need to change the cultural attitude at our club, it’s seriously wrong from the top all the way down it appears, based on the evidence of things. its hard to argue that Des‘s contract isn’t a disaster, (I can see how some view it with optimism) but his recent record is speaking for itself, 2019 aside its a f—king train wreck, where are the positives? where is the upside? I can’t see how Des is going to fix things, I hope he can and I hope I’m wrong, but on the evidence of things, it’s not looking good, I’d love to say we can go to the gong and turn things around this weekend, but honesty is holding me back, I will be watching the game and I will be riding with the side for a win, we did improve our effort against south’s (although it’s hard to read much into that as south’s were off and played like let’s just take the 2 and leave, rightfully so at this time of year) the Dragons on the other will be pumped and into us for the 2, we better find some self belief and match up, step up and compete, effort on effort for 80. I don’t think we will get the 2 and I will live with that is the effort is there and we are in the match, of course I want the win and I hope the boys can go out there and play like they want the win and win it. I’d like to think they get together before the game and say fuk this place and fuk our record here, lets own this ****, were not leaving this place without the 2 today, whatever it takes, we owe it to ourselves, our coach, our supporters, whatever it takes, amp up and stay amped for 80, bring the pride back awaken some mugrel and hunger, then back it up with guts and determination, think back to raiders game last year thats the type of effort and self belief that wins games, it can be done, let’s hope the boys find that formula and build on it, winning is infectious, so to is losing unfortunately, time to kick the habit and get that winning feeling going on again.
 
Just because a few clauses are inserted into this contract does not mean they will be exercised. I feel they are more of a safety net if it hits the fan. The penns fiscal policy shines through and one can only imagine how much it cost burning through CEO's at 2 per month a couple of years back

If the long term goal is to transition des into more of an overseeing role . i think there is a long term strategy to provide a stable consistent environment at Manly and recognition that we are a **** show currently. The better clubs have benefitted from this historically speaking while clubs that chop and change coaches dont get much traction unless your maybe bennett and gifted retiring half your cap

If Des is to trigger a long term association he will need to be pretty savvy

When tom was injured, almost everyone looked at the draw and went holy bat poo. If we were to be 1/4 it would be a good result. Making the 8 is not that hard in terms of wins and des is very good at pacing the team if he gets his better players going well.

Tom and DCE are the two wild cards . We need to seek steve austins doctor for tommy , and dce apparently needs tummy tickles and some warm milk added to his list of needs, to perform this year. No wonder he goes good for qld .

If kenty over reacted, then he has been trumped by this thread but i agree the team has been playing like busted $@#%$
 
Tom and DCE are the two wild cards . We need to seek steve austins doctor for tommy , and dce apparently needs tummy tickles and some warm milk added to his list of needs, to perform this year. No wonder he goes good for qld .
Lol - one of your best @jbb/james
 

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