He may correct me but I think what SER8 was saying is that you are either "proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" or you are found "not guilty due to reasonable doubt"...
That's very interesting. Hopefully its true! This year is a write off but wouldn't it be nice to start next season with Fainu and Turbo both playing.I had a good chat with AFB down at the gym today he actually comes across as a pretty good bloke and feels bad about our current predicament. Despite the obvious holes in our side he reckons with Tom and a decent hooker we would be winning more than we are losing.
I asked him about Manase and he reckons he is definitely innocent and someone had recently come forward and made a statement to the police that clears Manase. The Cops are stilling looking to take it to trial. With this new development the club went to the NRL to get him cleared to play however they won’t do anything until he has gone to court.
I thanked him for getting injured so he didn’t have to play against us and given he will be out for 10 weeks at least we won’t face him in second round either.
If he is guilty he'd end up at Parklea...serious offence, serious prison.
A good example is Milat's defence. His team was not trying to prove he was innocent, rather that a sibling was also involved, i.e creating enough doubt as to who did what that it couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Ivan committed the murders. Then Ivan got on the stand, made a Freudian slip and ****ed that whole argument up haha
The defence should have given him one instruction... then again, they probably did and old Ivan just thought he was smarter...
I had a good chat with AFB down at the gym today he actually comes across as a pretty good bloke and feels bad about our current predicament. Despite the obvious holes in our side he reckons with Tom and a decent hooker we would be winning more than we are losing.
I asked him about Manase and he reckons he is definitely innocent and someone had recently come forward and made a statement to the police that clears Manase. The Cops are stilling looking to take it to trial. With this new development the club went to the NRL to get him cleared to play however they won’t do anything until he has gone to court.
I thanked him for getting injured so he didn’t have to play against us and given he will be out for 10 weeks at least we won’t face him in second round either.
There is a good book on Mark Tedeschi's cross that shows how he just hammered poor Ivan into that slip. Good read but its essentially a legal textbook and LexisNexis charges like a wounded bull...
@frank stokes explained it better than me, thanks. It is actually possible to be proven innocent, but that would typically be a case where the only evidence against you is forensic evidence and it turns out it was someone else's DNA
Its a prick of a place, privately owned, but in fact Dept of Corrective Services will send you anywhere it suits them in NSW, they have a number of suitable hell-holes, all of them over crowded to the extent of 2 out in a one person cell, 3 out n a 2 person cell, etc.
Consent, interesting discussion, what is or isn't consent. Again as I said earlier in another post. Generally the facts are clouded, hence it's up to a jury to decide which story is more believable, this is what the judges normally say to the jury. At end of the day I really question, and I mean this with total respect to women and girls in general (and no is no!), but I have to question it is very hard to prove you didn't.... so where is your innocent until proven guilty? It's up to the story that is best believed. It is always hard when he said she said and genrally no one will ever know the truth.@frank stokes explained it better than me, thanks. It is actually possible to be proven innocent, but that would typically be a case where the only evidence against you is forensic evidence and it turns out it was someone else's DNA
In this case, from memory, Debelin and his mate admit intercourse but claim consent. It's all about whether some jurors think he might be telling the truth. Doesn't mean any of them have to be convinced he's innocent. This in a nutshell is our time-honoured notion of beyond reasonable doubt.
Its a prick of a place, privately owned, but in fact Dept of Corrective Services will send you anywhere it suits them in NSW, they have a number of suitable hell-holes, all of them over crowded to the extent of 2 out in a one person cell, 3 out n a 2 person cell, etc.
Don't drink and drive folks
Maybe Dez and Manly thought that with the new witnesses coming forward would be enough to get the NRL to allow him to play, hence why they also resigned him. Very confident he will get off. Absolute b.s if found not guilty on NRLs behalf, been out of the game for almost two years and I guess because of covid has drawn out the Court hearing, but he is possibly very well sitting on the side lines at the moment because of people out there wrongly accusing him because they have an agenda against him.
Yep and he he possibly has people willing to lie for him too... who knows? I know one thing, even if AFB KNEW he did it then I seriously doubt he would be spilling his guts to a punter...
Crocker has the goat photo’s.
I have no idea. All I know is what I've heard from the media, which is secondhand information anyway, and certainly not enough for me to base an opinion on one way or the other. The only thing that's going to matter is what the jury says. And even then, all I'll be able to say for certain is that a jury found him innocent or guilty. Up till then, he's entitled to a presumption of innocence.
I’d be a bit careful with this mate.
You should ask him the real story as to why he left usI had a good chat with AFB down at the gym today he actually comes across as a pretty good bloke and feels bad about our current predicament. Despite the obvious holes in our side he reckons with Tom and a decent hooker we would be winning more than we are losing.
I asked him about Manase and he reckons he is definitely innocent and someone had recently come forward and made a statement to the police that clears Manase. The Cops are stilling looking to take it to trial. With this new development the club went to the NRL to get him cleared to play however they won’t do anything until he has gone to court.
I thanked him for getting injured so he didn’t have to play against us and given he will be out for 10 weeks at least we won’t face him in second round either.
Yeah the thought crossed my mind but I didn’t want too piss him off.
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