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Yeah i mean if/when found guipty they would have been playing and reaping the benefits of the NRL for 2 yearrs despite being rapists/gangbangers...

I get why people disagree with the policy @The Who and no policy is gonna be perfect but i personally I am comfortable with it...

unlike Izzy who I cant stand but i am not comfortable that he has done enough to be banned...
Curtis Scott is another NRL player wrongly arrested and charged by Police. It's not that uncommon.
Another problem with the 'No-fault stand-down' police is the arbitrary nature of the crimes that qualify for a stand-down. The NRL fixed on Eleven years for convenience, but are there no serious crimes with a potential maximum sentence of 10 years?
For example: It is legal to bet of football matches, but what if a current NRL player was accused of taking bribes? Would he be stood down, even if there is nothing criminal in his actions, just immoral in the eyes of sports fans?
 

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Since Fainu has been here, whether it's sharing inappropriate images of women, being accused of attempted manslaughter, liking Hopoate's derogatory comments about the club, or smoking those stupid bongs on Instagram with his mate Moses, he's been a complete blight to this club, and one of the main reasons we are struggling on the field.
And to think the brains trust at our club chose this guy over Api. They let a special player go in Api he has the kind of infectious energy that gutho, paps, Murray, Mahoney and the like have, they are the type of players you can build success around, high energy 80 min players, and a pretty bloody decent 9 to boot, (now we don’t have one) and here’s a critical point, we couldn’t get 80 out of Api, even though the panthers can rest him for 10 at times, or when the game is sealed, he is easily an 80 min player now, highlights how our system is not up to speed, our conditioning is so far off the money, I think our level of professionalism across the club is a long way of the money, we need to improve every aspect of our club, harsh but true. what about this question, who would you like in our 9 now if you could chose between the 2? What a dumb question, what a dumb decision to let Api go.

Levi-no
Croker- definite no
Lawton-juries out on this one until we have something to base an opinion on
cust- better option than the first 2
DCE- would like to see it get a chance, but highly doubt that will ever happen
Api-of course it’s a no brainer
oh well since that ships sailed I would like to see us improve with what we have and I can’t see how running DCE at 9 for a while, either starting there or rotating for periods during a game shouldn‘t be tried given where we’re at. Yes I know it won’t happen, how stupid, let’s just keep rolling with the same dumb **** we are, because of course that’s smarter, the results prove it, right? Wrong.
 

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I don't agree with this policy. Never have.

Not that I am condoning any of the acts with which any of these guys have been charged. My problem is that this circumvents the legal process and assumes guilt rather than innocence.

The personal impact on their lives is disproportionate for unproven charges. It's not like if they're proven guilty they won't pay a heavy price. But that is the job of a legal system; not the governing body of a sport.

I can accept a period of suspension for tarnishing the reputation of the NRL, but you could easily argue that ship has pretty much sailed. Regardless, by the time the legal process plays out, the player has been out of the game for years. What sort of genius came up with this idea ? Oh yeah, Greensnot. Nuff said.

If de Belin is proven innocent, the NRL should be subject to legal action. They just torpedoed the guy's career in a knee jerk reaction. If he's guilty, he can tell his story from jail.
 
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Curtis Scott is another NRL player wrongly arrested and charged by Police. It's not that uncommon.
Another problem with the 'No-fault stand-down' police is the arbitrary nature of the crimes that qualify for a stand-down. The NRL fixed on Eleven years for convenience, but are there no serious crimes with a potential maximum sentence of 10 years?
For example: It is legal to bet of football matches, but what if a current NRL player was accused of taking bribes? Would he be stood down, even if there is nothing criminal in his actions, just immoral in the eyes of sports fans?
I agree that it is too narrow in that regard and would probably benefit from a 'detrimental to the image of the NRL' or similar approach...

something like Horse Racing does - they dont f*ck around, the stewards will just fine you or pull your licence altogether if you tarnish the sports image...
 

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Fainu was outplaying API every week.
He was the main reason we made our run in 2019 as without Tom he was the only spark. He totally revitalised our attack that year. Api had three years where we had one ok year with green at 5/8 and two shockers( 13th and 15th), the main reason being our red zone attack was totally disjointed. Api suits the Penrith side because they have playmakers and strike everywhere and he can relax and do his tackling and individual thing. At Manly more a lot more was required of him and other than great defence he was not really creating like Fainu. We rarely scored a point when he was on the field.

Hindsight is a great thing. Sure it would have been great to keep both but the club had to choose and they chose the player who was in better form and the most upside. The club has made plenty of bad moves but this wasnt one of them.
 
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I liked Api and thought he's a nice guy but I believe it was the right decision at the time.
Api started the matches and was good at the tough plays but our attack always improved once Fainu came on pitch.
Api is going well there but don't forget so many people were critical of his plays, especially his lack of crisp passing and bad pass selections and most supporters were happy with the decision to keep Fainu instead of Api.
Also Fainu was the younger guy and looked to have more potential.
I really hate how the club is being run but I agree with Susan that it was the right call at the time.
How was the club supposed to know what would happen in the off season?
 

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I liked Api and thought he's a nice guy but I believe it was the right decision at the time.
Api started the matches and was good at the tough plays but our attack always improved once Fainu came on pitch.
Api is going well there but don't forget so many people were critical of his plays, especially his lack of crisp passing and bad pass selections and most supporters were happy with the decision to keep Fainu instead of Api.
Also Fainu was the younger guy and looked to have more potential.
I really hate how the club is being run but I agree with Susan that it was the right call at the time.
How was the club supposed to know what would happen in the off season?
Agree. But every club need 2-4 specialist hookers in their top 30. Fainu was not signed on huge $. Api should have been re-signed (the money for Croker and Levi alone would have almost covered Api)
 

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If de Belin is proven innocent, the NRL should be subject to legal action. They just torpedoed the guy's career in a knee jerk reaction. If he's guilty, he can tell his story from jail.
No-one is proved innocent in a case like this. The prosecution can successfully prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, or fail to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Any reasonable doubt, and the jury must find you not guilty. That is not the same as being ‘proven innocent’.
 

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I liked Api and thought he's a nice guy but I believe it was the right decision at the time.
Api started the matches and was good at the tough plays but our attack always improved once Fainu came on pitch.
Api is going well there but don't forget so many people were critical of his plays, especially his lack of crisp passing and bad pass selections and most supporters were happy with the decision to keep Fainu instead of Api.
Also Fainu was the younger guy and looked to have more potential.
I really hate how the club is being run but I agree with Susan that it was the right call at the time.
How was the club supposed to know what would happen in the off season?
Well reading Ryan’s post and mulling over Manse’s character and off field antics, should have raised questions, if you want to build a club with those sort of people, you will no doubt end up with problems, would Melbourne sign him? smith Aside (cam) and they were in need of a 9? I doubt it. They didn’t tolerate Curtis Scott‘s trash either, they let him go and Pete W has it right in his post above, 9 is so important you can’t just have one, you need backup, which is obvious to all (well almost all) we had an awesome one in API and you may say he is better suited to the panthers style of play, 2019 is history and letting api go, yes in hindsight has failed, but I was shattered at the time and still hate thinking about it, still believe it was a bad call and while Manase was playing well in 2019, he was still to prove his worth long term and it would have been far wiser to keep api on until that was well established. Anyway I guess it’s another case of the proof is in the pudding and finally was api to blame for his form and fitness at our club or was it more a symptom our system? He is so much fitter than I ever saw him in our colours, playing greater mins and feeding the black cats huge amounts of energy, the type of energy RM brings to Parra, I‘m not convinced Manase has it or that our club can achieve that type of game speed and consistency with him, it is also to be seen if he can come back and pick up where he left off. I’m not writing him off or putting him down, I hope he comes back and kills it, I also hope someone can get in his head and straighten him up, life dishes up some hard lesson at times, some learn, some don’t, hope he is one of the earlier kind, time will tell, if hasn‘t already thrown it all away.
 

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With fainu, manly can hope, but management should have assumed the worst case scenario and managed appropriately for the likely 48 months of waiting. Anything else is unprofessional.
Yes I totally agree with that.
 

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Well reading Ryan’s post and mulling over Manse’s character and off field antics, should have raised questions, if you want to build a club with those sort of people, you will no doubt end up with problems, would Melbourne sign him? smith Aside (cam) and they were in need of a 9? I doubt it. They didn’t tolerate Curtis Scott‘s trash either, they let him go and Pete W has it right in his post above, 9 is so important you can’t just have one, you need backup, which is obvious to all (well almost all) we had an awesome one in API and you may say he is better suited to the panthers style of play, 2019 is history and letting api go, yes in hindsight has failed, but I was shattered at the time and still hate thinking about it, still believe it was a bad call and while Manase was playing well in 2019, he was still to prove his worth long term and it would have been far wiser to keep api on until that was well established. Anyway I guess it’s another case of the proof is in the pudding and finally was api to blame for his form and fitness at our club or was it more a symptom our system? He is so much fitter than I ever saw him in our colours, playing greater mins and feeding the black cats huge amounts of energy, the type of energy RM brings to Parra, I‘m not convinced Manase has it or that our club can achieve that type of game speed and consistency with him, it is also to be seen if he can come back and pick up where he left off. I’m not writing him off or putting him down, I hope he comes back and kills it, I also hope someone can get in his head and straighten him up, life dishes up some hard lesson at times, some learn, some don’t, hope he is one of the earlier kind, time will tell, if hasn‘t already thrown it all away.
I am not sure we will see him in Manly colours. Time will tell. Hopefully his version of mistaken identity is correct and they have proof to back that up.
 

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Well reading Ryan’s post and mulling over Manse’s character and off field antics, should have raised questions, if you want to build a club with those sort of people, you will no doubt end up with problems, would Melbourne sign him? smith Aside (cam) and they were in need of a 9? I doubt it. They didn’t tolerate Curtis Scott‘s trash either, they let him go and Pete W has it right in his post above, 9 is so important you can’t just have one, you need backup, which is obvious to all (well almost all) we had an awesome one in API and you may say he is better suited to the panthers style of play, 2019 is history and letting api go, yes in hindsight has failed, but I was shattered at the time and still hate thinking about it, still believe it was a bad call and while Manase was playing well in 2019, he was still to prove his worth long term and it would have been far wiser to keep api on until that was well established. Anyway I guess it’s another case of the proof is in the pudding and finally was api to blame for his form and fitness at our club or was it more a symptom our system? He is so much fitter than I ever saw him in our colours, playing greater mins and feeding the black cats huge amounts of energy, the type of energy RM brings to Parra, I‘m not convinced Manase has it or that our club can achieve that type of game speed and consistency with him, it is also to be seen if he can come back and pick up where he left off. I’m not writing him off or putting him down, I hope he comes back and kills it, I also hope someone can get in his head and straighten him up, life dishes up some hard lesson at times, some learn, some don’t, hope he is one of the earlier kind, time will tell, if hasn‘t already thrown it all away.
I was also upset Api was let go and liked the option of having both guys but I actually thought the club were trying to free up some cap space and sign other players which included a cheaper backup hooker. Just sums up the current management. No plans.
I agree about the fitness. I don't know what is up with our fitness but we look so unfit compared to other sides and it's been like this for a long time.
Even in the last season when Donny was in charge before he left to the Bulldogs we were looking unfit and it looked even worse when Dan Ferris came. Donny has returned once again but it's still looking the same.
 

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Melbourne's ongoing success and ability to keep competing is that they haven't allowed themselves to be locked in a time warp. Their recruitment in really quite modest but their development and retention is first class. Bellamy doesn't put up with poor performance after poor performance he has shown in the past he will drop players who don't perform. Whilst our junior development is looking good at the moment it will mean nada if they all go elsewhere looking for a start in first grade.
 

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Fainu was outplaying API every week.
He was the main reason we made our run in 2019 as without Tom he was the only spark. He totally revitalised our attack that year. Api had three years where we had one ok year with green at 5/8 and two shockers( 13th and 15th), the main reason being our red zone attack was totally disjointed. Api suits the Penrith side because they have playmakers and strike everywhere and he can relax and do his tackling and individual thing. At Manly more a lot more was required of him and other than great defence he was not really creating like Fainu. We rarely scored a point when he was on the field.

Hindsight is a great thing. Sure it would have been great to keep both but the club had to choose and they chose the player who was in better form and the most upside. The club has made plenty of bad moves but this wasnt one of them.

Agreed. Also Api has been out injured since Round 1 this year, and the Panthers are still at the top of the table, having won every match with the best points differential of any team this season.

The Panthers will be (and are) winning a lot of matches with or without him there. That's no slight on Api but that's how good the Panthers are right now.
 

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I don't agree with this policy. Never have.

Not that I am condoning any of the acts with which any of which these guys have been charged. My problem is that this circumvents the legal process and assumes guilt rather than innocence.

The personal impact on their lives is disproportionate for unproven charges. It's not like if they're proven guilty they won't pay a heavy price. But that is the job of a legal system; not the governing body of a sport.

I can accept a period of suspension for tarnishing the reputation of the NRL, but you could easily argue that ship has pretty much sailed. Regardless, by the time the legal process plays out, the player has been out of the game for years. What sort of genius came up with this idea ? Oh yeah, Greensnot. Nuff said.

If de Belin is proven innocent, the NRL should be subject to legal action. They just torpedoed the guy's career in a knee jerk reaction. If he's guilty, he can tell his story from jail.
I have maintained, despite the decision by a single High Court judge, that like you, it makes a presumption of guilt before trial, which from my readings is actually constitutionally against the intent of the Act.

Mind you, I can well understand an accusation that relates to something that directly threatens or places a threat against a company or person, but it must be balanced by consideration of restraint of trade or normal lifestyle living that does not threaten directly.

In this case it presents absolutely no threat to on the field play. Its only threat is to the image of the game and sponsorship and unfortunately there are too many in society who prejudge a case without significant knowledge of the events and without the right to make such judgements.

The League and sponsors are running scared of those groups, many using the media to push their ill-founded beliefs. It is a flaw in human nature too well exemplified by the ill-informed populous in the USA over the recent elections and the use of media to promote that misinformation.

Personally I disagree with the no fault policy, but I do understand it.
 

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I had a good chat with AFB down at the gym today he actually comes across as a pretty good bloke and feels bad about our current predicament. Despite the obvious holes in our side he reckons with Tom and a decent hooker we would be winning more than we are losing.

I asked him about Manase and he reckons he is definitely innocent and someone had recently come forward and made a statement to the police that clears Manase. The Cops are stilling looking to take it to trial. With this new development the club went to the NRL to get him cleared to play however they won’t do anything until he has gone to court.

I thanked him for getting injured so he didn’t have to play against us and given he will be out for 10 weeks at least we won’t face him in second round either.
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I had a good chat with AFB down at the gym today. He actually comes across as a pretty good bloke and feels bad about our current predicament. Despite the obvious holes in our side he reckons with Tom and a decent hooker we would be winning more than we are losing.

I asked him about Manase and he reckons he is definitely innocent and someone had recently come forward and made a statement to the police that clears Manase. The Cops are stilling looking to take it to trial. With this new development the club went to the NRL to get him cleared to play however they won’t do anything until he has gone to court.

I thanked him for getting injured so he didn’t have to play against us and given he will be out for 10 weeks at least we won’t face him in second round either.
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Very interesting. Imagine if the club sacked him, and he does get off. They'd be waving bye-bye to Manase's brothers and any other young players who are close to him. The same people who are presently calling for his head would be out of control, screaming about the incompetence of making such a rash decision.

I believe the club acted very wisely in extending the kid when they did. It would appear they also believe Manase's version of the event. The proof is in the fact that they relocated his entire family to the Northern Beaches.
 

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Very interesting. Imagine if the club sacked him, and he does get off. They'd be waving bye-bye to Manase's brothers and any other young players who are close to him. The same people who are presently calling for his head would be out of control, screaming about the incompetence of making such a rash decision.

I believe the club acted very wisely in extending the kid when they did. It would appear they also believe Manase's version of the event. The proof is in the fact that they relocated his entire family to the Northern Beaches.

Despite what the Technical Coach says, AFB feels that Manase will be the best hooker in the game under the new rules. He said that above all Manase has footy smarts and can read the game so well.
 

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Despite what the Technical Coach says, AFB feels that Manase will be the best hooker in the game under the new rules. He said that above all Manase has footy smarts and can read the game so well.
Couldn't agree more. We were robbed in 2019 and should have been playing a preliminary final. That was without Turbo and a recognised 5/8. Fainu was huge for us in that run.
 

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Agreed. Also Api has been out injured since Round 1 this year, and the Panthers are still at the top of the table, having won every match with the best points differential of any team this season.

The Panthers will be (and are) winning a lot of matches with or without him there. That's no slight on Api but that's how good the Panthers are right now.
I mentioned in another thread that I am amazed with how big they are across the park... I mean Suli is supposed to be a big guy but he was dwarfed by Burton and 1-17 they are lean, fast monsters.... with the exception of To'o who is a short, lean, fast monster that goes harder than anyone...

Api would probably be the only other small player, even Luai and Cleary are bloody 6 foot....

Edit: Wikipedia has Burton at 6'3'' and 88kg with Suli at 6'2" and 103kg but Burton looked more than an inch taller when they were side-by-side a couple of weeks ago. Young Matt must carry about 50 of those kgs in his shoulders too cause he is a big wide unit
 
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