Lawton and Send off rule

[Woodsie]

Some of you people need to stop glue sniffing ... that was a send off all day every day .. the lack of any attempt to pull out of it sealed his fate ...

 

[mickqld]

So he's already in effect missed 1 game. Will that reduce the suspension? Or does the NRL treat you same if you're sent off in the 1st minute or the 79th minute?

Depends what club you play for. Cleary would get an OAM.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

The US sports understand the importance of the spectacle and contest. In the NBA and NFL, players get ejected from the game but the on court/field contest is still even numbers.

I really feel deflated after last night’s game. I was looking forward to it all week, and the game was, in reality, over in the 8th minute. The only ones happy were south’s supporters and the ones who had money on them.

Eject the player, let them be replaced after say 10 min, but add even bigger suspensions because there still has to be a deterrent aspect for dangerous play?
Would be a huge change but there are so few send offs nowadays and obviously the game is ruined as a contest.
The NRL will probably just say no problem, the effect was only exaggerated due to how early in the game it happened.
Which was unusual but doesn't mean it isn't a big problem!

 

[Woodsie]

In any endeavour that relies upon a human's ability to succeed .. must by definition be also subject to failure at the hands of a human's inability.

You will never get consistency where humans are involved

 

[Karshy]

Some of you people need to stop glue sniffing ... that was a send off all day every day .. the lack of any attempt to pull out of it sealed his fate ...

He lost control of the tackle halfway through. Hard to say thats reckless. Careless at worst and the rules make mention of landing on head or neck. He landed on shoulder. Probably has a very good chance at judiciary on that alone.

 

[Chip and Chase]

I think it was a send off. Not malicious but dangerous nonetheless, had he "dropped" him once he got past horizontal he may have been Ok, but to pivot over and drive through on the way down sealed his fate. Think about your reaction if it was Murray tackling Lawton in the same manner, how many here would be say, it's Ok Cameron just go to the bin for 10 and then come back.

There is some merit in looking at replacing a sent off player after 15-20 minute maybe, as an early send off in a game pretty much predetermines the outcome.

 

[Woodsie]

He lost control of the tackle halfway through. Hard to say thats reckless. Careless at worst and the rules make mention of landing on head or neck. He landed on shoulder. Probably has a very good chance at judiciary on that alone.

You're dreaming ..

 

[Chip and Chase]

He's been charged with Grade 3 Dangerous Throw - 4-5 weeks depending on whether he takes early guilty plea

 

[mave]

Take the four weeks.

And send a thank-you to the MRC for being so generous.

 

[pt73]

Clearly eye gouging isn’t worthy of a send off

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519987729442160640

Was that Mansour ?

 

[mickqld]

The send off was nothing more than the typical nrl over reaction to their inaction over Tupou last week and of course, once again we managed to be the fall guy. Any one of the favoured 5 teams would've had a sin bin at worse. In saying that it was a bad tackle and he's lucky to get 4 weeks but now the precedent has been set let's see the spineless clowns do it to someone else.

 

[Shoe1]

Clearly eye gouging isn’t worthy of a send off

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519987729442160640

I saw that in the game

 

[The Royal Soup]

Sited and faces 4 weeks with a plea

5 if he fights

what a fuking disgrace the NRL is

 

[mave]

100% correct.
The NRL doing their usual reactionary thing.

The first no-name player to commit an offence, especially on a star player, was always going to get nailed.

 

[Snake]

I can’t argue with the decision to send Lawton off but I agree with the sentiment that the modern game can’t have send offs in its current guise. I think 20 minutes is too long as well.

If the rule was to change, it should be you go off and play with 12 for ten minutes and then you can go back to 13 but the player that got sent off is done for the match.

There was never going to be any other result than a loss once Lawton went off so it felt pointless to play the remaining 70 minutes. People paid their hard earned to go to the game and others tuned in after busy days at work and it’s just not fair for the contest to be decided inside of 8 minutes of football.

 

[MadMarcus]

The send off was nothing more than the typical nrl over reaction to their inaction over Tupou last week and of course, once again we managed to be the fall guy. Any one of the favoured 5 teams would've had a sin bin at worse. In saying that it was a bad tackle and he's lucky to get 4 weeks but now the precedent has been set let's see the spineless clowns do it to someone else.

When was the last time the NRL followed a precedent? Serious question.

 

[Stewbojevic]

I can’t argue with the decision to send Lawton off but I agree with the sentiment that the modern game can’t have send offs in its current guise. I think 20 minutes is too long as well.

If the rule was to change, it should be you go off and play with 12 for ten minutes and then you can go back to 13 but the player that got sent off is done for the match.

There was never going to be any other result than a loss once Lawton went off so it felt pointless to play the remaining 70 minutes. People paid their hard earned to go to the game and others tuned in after busy days at work and it’s just not fair for the contest to be decided inside of 8 minutes of football.

Agree.

In saying that, under the current rules the send of and 4 week penalty is fair.

 

[Snake]

Agree.

In saying that, under the current rules the send of and 4 week penalty is fair.

I think 2-3 weeks given he was sent off during the match. But maybe that’s just Manly bias...I also know Lawton had no malice and big suspensions should be reserved for deliberate foul play.

 

[mickqld]

That said, there are always boundaries to how they officiate.

The answer isn’t just to throw hands in the air and say - oh well, humans will be humans and inconsistency will always be there.

Surely it can be policed better. Surely there can be multiple levels to the policing.
There needs to be more accountability because right now - the refs seem to be allowed to just go with their very own loose interpretation of the rules and Annesley 99/100 just backs them up.

What’s happening now isn’t working. It’s just accepted.

For example, why was Tupou’s in game offical dropped for his miss of Tupou’s high shot last week - but the Bunker offical wasn’t?

The in game offical has so many things happening - probably more excusable to miss something, yet with the millions of dollars spent on the bunker - the video ref isn’t held accountable for the miss - why?

Yet in Olaka’atu’s case, the video ref intervened approx 2mins (3 plays) later to advise of a high shot and 10 in the bin - completely missed by the on field offical. No suspension for him.

Understanding that there will be human interpretation to grey rules (dominant tackle definition etc) but surely the NRL can do better in tightening those definitions. And most importantly - when they get it wrong, there needs to be more accountability - or it just becomes accepted.

Private companies, entities or corporations don't have to be accountable to anyone except their sponsors and stake holders and they know that they're not going anywhere else. As if we're all going to switch to rugby, soccer or afl. So we will just continue on with the same level of incompetence, bias, favouritism and self preservation whilst masquerading as a fair and equitable sporting competition because it's very easy to fool the moron majority masses.

 

[lsz]

I like the 20 min thing but it would be interesting if the power of when that was taken was given to the team who suffered the injury (essentially being a 20 min power play) with the player still ejected from the game and the bench down to 3