Jamal Fogarty

[Brookie1973]

I fear we will lose one of Walsh or Large if we sign Fogarty for 3 years! 2 years would be acceptable & wouldn’t cause too much angst for Walsh or Large. For mine If they’re good enough then why not take the risk & see what happens. I’d bring JA in at 7, Brooks stays at 6. I’d spend the money strengthening our forward pack. Prep JA to build up over the next year with adapting him to play Lock in 2026. The kid seems happy enough at Manly.

Won’t brooks be gone in 2 years? Meaning potentially Walsh at 7, with large at 14 for a year.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I fear we will lose one of Walsh or Large if we sign Fogarty for 3 years! 2 years would be acceptable & wouldn’t cause too much angst for Walsh or Large. For mine If they’re good enough then why not take the risk & see what happens. I’d bring JA in at 7, Brooks stays at 6. I’d spend the money strengthening our forward pack. Prep JA to build up over the next year with adapting him to play Lock in 2026. The kid seems happy enough at Manly.

I take your point but what are the odds they both end up stars? At this stage, it’s impossible to say they’ll be anything. We need only look at the Schuster situation as evidence. I know Large seems pretty exciting, he is big and can run 100m in record time. Walsh is largely untried and an unknown that could be a complete flop.

Of course, one of the two might kick on and be something special, or both. We don’t know. But I think we should cross that bridge when we come to it. If they both suddenly explode on the scene, you can bet we’ll shop Fogerty in the third year of his deal if need be. There are way too many unknowns and personally, I want to avoid mediocrity when DCE goes; I think Fogerty’s kicking game could really help.

 

[The '47ers]

Jesus i pray this Walsh and Large are the Messiahs that is being touted here, or else we are farked

 

[Rocky]

Jesus i pray this Walsh and Large are the Messiahs that is being touted here, or else we are farked

Walsh is meant to be the best halfback prospect in the NRL in years.

But we know that things don't always pan out.

 

[Brookie1973]

Walsh is meant to be the best halfback prospect in the NRL in years.

But we know that things don't always pan out.

Best prospect since Aaron groom.

 

[The Insomniac]

Best prospect since Aaron groom.

My question is when are we gunna see them play ? You don't get better by sitting on the longe eating corn flakes. No news from the club, from what I've seen, on where they are or what they're doing FFS.

 

[Brookie1973]

My question is when are we gunna see them play ? You don't get better by sitting on the longe eating corn flakes. No news from the club, from what I've seen, on where they are or what they're doing FFS.

Maybe we are wrapping them in cotton wool for 2 years to avoid injuries. Given we appear to be banking the clubs future that these 2 guys are any good, seems wise.

 

[God]

If one of those two kids turn out to be super stars we'll be very lucky, for every talented kid that makes it there are another 10 that dont especially in the halves.

 

[Rafferty]

Don’t know where to put this, so why not here as an alternative to Fogarty, (before we pay to much and commit for too long) what about Hugo Saval, his only on an 85k development contract.

The chooks have options in the halves, is Daly really going there? Walker can play 6 or 7, but maybe his more of a seven than a six, Sanders is going ok and he looks like a genuine 6, I don’t know much about Elliot, Rodwell or Foley, but there stacked for halves.

Hugo’s seems to have a pretty decent kicking game, his a big body and first grade ready, they probably don’t want to lose him, surely it’s not Chad out, Daly in. This kid wouldn’t break the bank and even if Daly’s not landing there, there still heavy in the halves, especially 7’s.

We shouldn’t go all in after Fogarty, Saval is worth exploring and Sexton remains unsigned, there is options given our situation.

 

[conanu]

Don’t know where to put this, so why not here as an alternative to Fogarty, (before we pay to much and commit for too long) what about Hugo Saval, his only on an 85k development contract.

The chooks have options in the halves, is Daly really going there? Walker can play 6 or 7, but maybe his more of a seven than a six, Sanders is going ok and he looks like a genuine 6, I don’t know much about Elliot, Rodwell or Foley, but there stacked for halves.

Hugo’s seems to have a pretty decent kicking game, his a big body and first grade ready, they probably don’t want to lose him, surely it’s not Chad out, Daly in. This kid wouldn’t break the bank and even if Daly’s not landing there, there still heavy in the halves, especially 7’s.

We shouldn’t go all in after Fogarty, Saval is worth exploring and Sexton remains unsigned, there is options given our situation.

We don't need a rookie we need an experienced game manager, even DCE isn't an great game manager, he plays more like a 5/8.

 

[Rafferty]

We don't need a rookie we need an experienced game manager, even DCE isn't a great game manager, he plays more like a 5/8.

Yer, I hear you, that’s why I included Sexton as an option, but given Fogarty would be a short term solution, I can’t see how we achieve anything as our pack isn’t going to lay a platform for Fogarty to manage sh1t.

Would it hurt to go with a Rookie, who seems like he can steer a team, with a solid end of set kicking game, with the extra dollars saved, you know the deal, we have more room to help rebuild up front, that’s where we suck, if we pay to much for Fog and can’t address the obvious short comings, won’t matter how good a game manger Fogarty is.

 

[KNUCKLES]

Yer, I hear you, that’s why I included Sexton as an option, but given Fogarty would be a short term solution, I can’t see how we achieve anything as our pack isn’t going to lay a platform for to manage sh1t.
Would it hurt to go with a Rookie, who seems like he can steer a team, with a solid end of set kicking game, with the extra dollars saved, you know the deal, we have more room to help rebuild up front, that’s where we suck, if we pay to much for Fog and can’t address the obvious short comings, won’t matter how good a game manger Fogarty is.

Exactly. Fogarty is behind a great pack at Canberra. The depth they have is monumental. Tapine, the horse, papalii, young, Nicholson, hosking, Mooney. The list goes on, the Martin boys

 

[robbiea]

Fogarty and Starling package , get it on Mestrov …

 

[Carl]

My question is when are we gunna see them play ? You don't get better by sitting on the longe eating corn flakes. No news from the club, from what I've seen, on where they are or what they're doing FFS.

Are you saying i need to try a different training regime?

 

[Budgie]

We don't need a rookie we need an experienced game manager, even DCE isn't an great game manager, he plays more like a 5/8.

Oh for the days of Matt Orford

 

[Pete W]

I take your point but what are the odds they both end up stars? At this stage, it’s impossible to say they’ll be anything. We need only look at the Schuster situation as evidence. I know Large seems pretty exciting, he is big and can run 100m in record time. Walsh is largely untried and an unknown that could be a complete flop.

Of course, one of the two might kick on and be something special, or both. We don’t know. But I think we should cross that bridge when we come to it. If they both suddenly explode on the scene, you can bet we’ll shop Fogerty in the third year of his deal if need be. There are way too many unknowns and personally, I want to avoid mediocrity when DCE goes; I think Fogerty’s kicking game could really help.

The bulk of this logic is based on the assumption that we will be mediocre without DCE, as you put it. If we are currently not a mediocre team, then what are we? How much worse could we be with this forward pack?

Would not it be wiser to use much needed cap space on actually fixing the very thing that makes us mediocre?

Arthur and Brooks, for example, with a better forward pack trumps Fogarty and Brooks with the pathetic engine room we currently have - almost every day of the week. Fogarty is merely reaping the benefits of playing behind a fantastic pack of forwards. He will be in for quite a shock if he came to Manly

 

[lsz]

I am always amazed in the validity some people place on the league "journo's" and their "whispers" and rumours

 

[Michael Clare]

Why did we let Humphreys go? That's the most galling aspect of this whole DCE mess.

100% agree....
This is Ricky helping out his mate to get maximum dollars and the club has been sucked right in. Another bidding against ourselves all over again like they did with Schuster!

Reeks of a desperate club without any canny forward planning. Arko ... you are so sorely missed!
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[Rackets]

Exactly. Fogarty is behind a great pack at Canberra. The depth they have is monumental. Tapine, the horse, papalii, young, Nicholson, hosking, Mooney. The list goes on, the Martin boys

Agree with @Rafferty and @KNUCKLES. Fogarty or no Forgarty. Without a strong forward pack he's just going to be average at best.

 

[LeonardCohen]

The bulk of this logic is based on the assumption that we will be mediocre without DCE, as you put it. If we are currently not a mediocre team, then what are we? How much worse could we be with this forward pack?

Would not it be wiser to use much needed cap space on actually fixing the very thing that makes us mediocre?

Arthur and Brooks, for example, with a better forward pack trumps Fogarty and Brooks with the pathetic engine room we currently have - almost every day of the week. Fogarty is merely reaping the benefits of playing behind a fantastic pack of forwards. He will be in for quite a shock if he came to Manly

You could be right, there’s a great chance you’re bang on…but like all opinions, they’re subjective. I’m of a different belief but appreciate that I could end up being wrong.

I think we are too black and white when it comes to analysis of RL. It’s never one thing. We could just as easily suggest that one of the reasons Canberra’s pack is going so well, is because Fogerty is controlling field position and turning the opposition around with his fantastic long kicking game. He rescues numerous poor yardage sets with huge kicks. He tires the opposition out because they’re forced to ruck it off their own line and out of corners consistently. But then, he is put in good kicking positions because he has forwards that power over the advantage line. They’re complimenting each other.

Which brings me to Manly. We aren’t going to revolutionise our pack if we pass on Fogerty. It’s not a war chest, it’s somewhere around 600k a year. That doesn’t buy us a marquee forward or even two decent forwards. It gets us one decent forward and I don’t even know who that is…it’s not like the market is flooded with them.

So I’d take the guy with the good kicking game that can ice 5th tackle plays and lead us around the park with composure so we don’t get the spoon. Then we can work towards rebuilding the pack over the next two to three years (because realistically it won’t be rebuilt in a year). The turn over of forwards will be gradual, such is the nature of working around the salary cap, identifying targets and having those targets accept offers.

A good kicking game was on display when the Eels looked like a completely different team with Moses on Monday. Sure, Fogerty doesn’t have Moses running and passing game but he does have an elite kicking game. He also stays composed and doesn’t resort to low percentage plays that turn over possession.