Jamal Fogarty

[Rafferty]

I think people are missing my point. We can’t sign Fogerty and gain a salary cap advantage from DCE’s departure because he’ll essentially take a similar figure to what we were giving Daly.

Which leaves us with the same salary cap position but a poorer half back. That doesn’t appeal to me.

The only way to take advantage of DCEms departure is to blood a rookie or use Arthur. Then there’ll be money for forwards and/or a better 9.

That may be true if your only considering the change over on Daly, but we have a dozen or so coming off contract at years end, there’s a chance to invest in a short term mini rebuild, pending how you look at it and when exactly our young halves will genuinely be ready.

All this is on the say so of Daly, who has put it on the record, he wont be with Manly next year, so it’s a bit of a mute argument, personally I’d like to see, Lehi given a shot with Brooks at 7 and extra $ to spend.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Are you off contract Leonard?

I’m off my head at the moment. Very sad week for a die hard fan.

 

[Vyssini]

I think people are missing my point. We can’t sign Fogerty and gain a salary cap advantage from DCE’s departure because he’ll essentially take a similar figure to what we were giving Daly.

Which leaves us with the same salary cap position but a poorer half back. That doesn’t appeal to me.

The only way to take advantage of DCE’s departure is to blood a rookie or use Arthur. Then there’ll be money for forwards and/or a better 9.

I think you are basing your argument on the assumption that all we have in the cap for a halfback is the offer made to DCE- I think this is wrong.

It's pretty much accepted that we were paying DCE over $1m per season therefore any halfback (eg Fogarty) at around the $700k per season level would result in an additional $300k+ to be spent on upgrading the necessary weak spots in our roster.

At the end of the day, do you really think DCE would have had the sh!ts and gone on Nein if he thought that was all we had left in the cap?

 

[LeonardCohen]

That may be true if your only considering the change over on Daly, but we have a dozen or so coming off contract at years end, there’s a chance to invest in a short term mini rebuild, pending how you look at it and when exactly our young halves will genuinely be ready.

All this is on the say so of Daly, who has put it on the record, he wont be with Manly next year, so it’s a bit of a mute argument, personally I’d like to see, Lehi given a shot with Brooks at 7 and extra $ to spend.

I don’t expect people to agree but I expect to people to understand what I mean before saying they disagree. I know Daly’s not staying. I am talking about making a recruitment decision that at least gives us some cap space. Buying an inferior half (e.g. Fogerty) for almost/roughly the same amount of money we had set aside for Daly, does nothing to improve our chances next year. We’ll be a poorer side by comparison. Whereas blooding a young foil for Brooks or using Arthur, frees up cap space to strengthen other areas of the squad. That could improve our side a little. Just my opinion. Happy for people to disagree but concerned that the message is getting lost in translation. I’m aware of Daly’s decision and that the amount we offered was not enough, so I’m not making a moot point.

 

[mave]

Respect your opinion and if he comes, I’ll be happy if you’re right about it.

And same to you. I always look out for your name, to read your opinion.

Always measured and insightful.

 

[Uk eagle]

Seibs should be calling his old England RU five-eighth Owen Farrell. Point to SBW example and it's time to challenge yourself in league. He is from Wigan. Son of Andy Farrell. And he is talent.

He will be 34 next year and has never played a competitive game of league as a grown man. He is also on a contract of £1.2 million per year. That's pounds not dollars. I somehow don't think it's an option

 

[Seagles68]

I’m off my head at the moment. Very sad week for a die hard fan.

I hear ya! But my immediate concern is Tom getting through a slippery Brookie tomorrow.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I think you are basing your argument on the assumption that all we have in the cap for a halfback is the offer made to DCE- I think this is wrong.

It's pretty much accepted that we were paying DCE over $1m per season therefore any halfback (eg Fogarty) at around the $700k per season level would result in an additional $300k+ to be spent on upgrading the necessary weak spots in our roster.

At the end of the day, do you really think DCE would have had the sh!ts and gone on Nein if he thought that was all we had left in the cap?

That’s on the assumption that he was angry with what we offered him - I think this is wrong.

I think he is angry because we didn’t release him last year so he could earn more somewhere else. We offered what we could because of contract upgrades, to other players etc. I think it’s all we’ve got for him knowing that we have to compile a squad of 30.

Anyway, who really knows. We’ve both got valid opinions. Personally, I don’t want Fogerty but accept and appreciate that other people do.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

My problem with this scenario is (and how I hate to have to type it) is Turbo's injury history. We have a FB replacement in young Hoppa, but the halves are difficult to replace for weeks at a time.

Yes but maybe the hope is “ less injured “ there

 

[Cliffy's Jockstrap]

Honestly, no offence but please not Jamal Fogarty. He's 32 years old at the end of 2025, he's been in the NRL system since 2017, in that time he's played 98 NRL games the majority at Canberra where he seems to have found a happy home (all this from Wikipedia).

I think he is on or is taken to be on $650k per year, contract ends this year and there is a club option to be exercised by round 6 iirc.

Over on the Green House forum they can't wait to get rid of him, because they have a new talent coming through called Sanders iirc.

I think his virtues are taken to be that he kicks well, defends reasonably and is a steady sort of player and I think that's it.

Now imagine he comes to Manly on at least $650k per year (I think somewhere around $750k more likely because we are the ones apparently chasing him) for one year minimum from end of 2025, logically I think probably two. What a great deal for him, what a sh*t deal for us. No wonder Sticky is sniggering and pointing us at him!!

Make no mistake, I think we are in for a couple of lean years whatever we do. But honest to God I would much rather roll the dice on extending Jake Arthur - who will likely cost a lot less and is a lot younger with a bit of NRL experience - than go Fogarty!

 

[Mal Cochrane]

I haven't come up with my preferred option for #7 in 2026.

Maybe we need a no frills type halfback who can tackle, kick and drive the team around the park. We will miss what cherry can bring, but the new number 7 just needs to point the team around the field and give the ball to our fast backs and Ola to run riot

 

[Adz]

He’s on 650k at Canberra next year if he takes up the option. He ain’t passing that up for 500k.

My understanding is that if Canberra take up their option before round 6 it is 650,if they don't then he has up to round 20 to take up another option which is significantly lower than 650.
Ricky was trying to get Fogarty to accept a figure somewhere in the middle.
If the Raiders don't take up the offer by round 6 he is essentially a free agent.
If no one else is calling then a 2 year contract around 500-550 is a possibility.
Most likely be a little higher you would think,but yeah,it may only be a bit of a saving from DCE offer.

 

[Rafferty]

I don’t expect people to agree but I expect to people to understand what I mean before saying they disagree. I know Daly’s not staying. I am talking about making a recruitment decision that at least gives us some cap space. Buying an inferior half (e.g. Fogerty) for almost/roughly the same amount of money we had set aside for Daly, does nothing to improve our chances next year. We’ll be a poorer side by comparison. Whereas blooding a young foil for Brooks or using Arthur, frees up cap space to strengthen other areas of the squad. That could improve our side a little. Just my opinion. Happy for people to disagree but concerned that the message is getting lost in translation. I’m aware of Daly’s decision and that the amount we offered was not enough, so I’m not making a moot point.

I didn’t disagree, I get you, the cap space between the 2 won’t be that significant, if we end up signing Fogarty, hence why I mentioned my preference to see Lehi given a shot at 6, so we have extra dollars to spend, which aligns with your thinking.

No suggestion of a moot point, because I didn’t really disagree with anything you said. I did make mention its a mute argument, just my way of saying theres no point giving any of this a voice, it’s over and that’s Daly call, we will have a new halves combination next year, who and how we go about it, its all speculation at this stage, we have the opportunity to promote or reshuffle and free up some cap to help strengthen our roster, even if we we sign Fogarty, noting we have a number off contract this year, that provides us an opportunity to reshape our squad and redirect a portion of our cap, outside the Daly situation.

How all this turns out who knows, will we be a better side without Daly? Where going to find out, however, there’s a lot to play out yet, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I know your hurting about this Situation, I’ve read all your posts and can sympathise, I generally enjoy reading your posts and find myself agreeing with most of what you write, didn’t mean to get under your skin in any way.

 

[mave]

I think where I land, generally.....
If we were happy to pay x amount for DCE, then I'm happy to pay the same for an experienced half who can consistently kick to corners, and control where we give up possession....something different to what we have been used to.

 

[Phobia]

Sticky might not be so overly dramatic about keeping Fogarty for two reasons - the two are very close personally, so Sticky does genuinely want the best for him (and can afford this because he's got the Raiders job forever), and because he also has Ethan Sanders, in a similar position to Joey Walsh, waiting in the wings.

Personally, I think Fogarty would be a great signing. For those saying "we should be spending that 750k on a good middle", what happens when Large fires? When Walsh fires? Do we just let them walk, because we signed a prop long-term?

As it is in the modern game, you need probably at least 600k for an NRL quality half spot on your roster. Fogarty is probably near the bottom end of that, and offers all we really need for a couple of years, while we regear the team around Large and Walsh. A stable, cool, head, that can guide the team around, opposed against the freedom given to Large, Brooks, and Walsh, to see what they see fit.

Not even mentioning the best organising and attacking fullback in the world at the back.

 

[JenEagle]

Yeah Fogarty will be a good signing. He may get better in the next two years as halves seem to these days.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I didn’t disagree, I get you, the cap space between the 2 won’t be that significant, if we end up signing Fogarty, hence why I mentioned my preference to see Lehi given a shot at 6, so we have extra dollars to spend, which aligns with your thinking.

No suggestion of a moot point, because I didn’t really disagree with anything you said. I did make mention its a mute argument, just my way of saying theres no point giving any of this a voice, it’s over and that’s Daly call, we will have a new halves combination next year, who and how we go about it, its all speculation at this stage, we have the opportunity to promote or reshuffle and free up some cap to help strengthen our roster, even if we we sign Fogarty, noting we a number off contract this year, that provides us an opportunity to reshape our squad and redirect a portion of our cap, outside the Daly situation.

How all this turns out who knows, will we be a better side without Daly? Where going to find out, however, there’s a lot to play out yet, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I know your hurting about this Situation, I’ve read all your posts and can sympathise, I generally enjoy reading your posts and find myself agreeing with most of what you write, didn’t mean to get under your skin in any way.

yeah I see where you’re coming from 👍
I’ll say, reminding myself that I have no control over what’s happening is something I’ve been doing to varying degrees of success since Monday 😂

 

[LeonardCohen]

I think where I land, generally.....
If we were happy to pay x amount for DCE, then I'm happy to pay the same for an experienced half who can consistently kick to corners, and control where we give up possession....something different to what we have been used to.

It’s interesting because 5th tackle options and a controlled kicking game are usually the last thing the young and inexperienced halves can get right. They’re usually good at some of the highlight reel stuff but where they end up falling short is the critical decision making. I concede that Fogerty would solve this issue. My worry is how many points we’ll score without Daly’s creativity and ball playing.

 

[God]

If we buy fogerty it should be as 5/8 Brooks is the next best half back in the league that we can afford and we already have him. Maybe if we strengthen our pack he'll one day reach his potential.

 

[Budgie]

A stable, cool, head, that can guide the team around, opposed against the freedom given to Large, Brooks, and Walsh, to see what they see fit.

Not even mentioning the best organising and attacking fullback in the world at the back.

The last "stable, cool head" we got for halfback was Matt Orford.

Worked out ok