Is Turbo rocks and diamonds

[Volley]

I watched the game again and it showed two glaring problems with Turbo's game.
First, the inexplicable defensive positioning after 3 years at fullback. Even Chez was closer to stopping that Wighton's try than Turbo 😕

This is the problem, people have unrealistic expectations. TT ran over to get to Cotric, who then kicked it. He can’t be everywhere. Absurd criticism.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

This is the problem, people have unrealistic expectations. TT run over to get to Cotric, who then kicked it. He can’t be everywhere. Absurd criticism.

He might wind up sharing a room with Cotric in camp.

Serbs in Series.

 

[Simonmyers11]

Bahahaha which part? If you were a real league fan youd know im 100% correct.

Probably the part you reckon dce is a myth and a headless chook and the reason why tom isnt a better player or going to play origin!

Please. Dce and tom have been in great form lately. Yeah not perfect on every play but domiant for most of the match. I think b0th can go to another level. I think we will see the best from dce the back half of the year with trent playing inside him so he can play his natural game and regain last years sublime form. Having api back will help too.
Tom has been at his devastating best recently, but i do agree should straighten up on the left when he has created the over lap which he almost does on every play. Can utalise kelly more who is also a weapon in attack. Also needs to be a little more aware and urgent at the back but still been one of our best[/QUOTE]

 

[anthonyb1965]

Bahahaha which part? If you were a real league fan youd know im 100% correct.

Troll?

 

[Holmsey]

This is the problem, people have unrealistic expectations. TT run over to get to Cotric, who then kicked it. He can’t be everywhere. Absurd criticism.

But... but Stewart would have saved it!

Exactly Volley stupid criticism, he is an easy target for the angry fans on the site. His mistakes arent that bad if he is about to line up for NSW and has already done so for Australia he is obviously not making the bad decisions that most are claiming. Moving the centre is not happening, you dont move the best ball playing and running fullback in the game to centre, thats just stupid.

 

[Woodsie]

I am certain that Turbo would make a very very good centre before he becomes a great 2nd rower ...... however my problem with that is that 95% of his attacking value is his freedom at fullback to pop in the middle ,on the left,, on the right, on the 1st tackle the 3rd tackle or the 5th tackle ......

To stand him out in the centre (like Suli) for 3 games without getting one pass in an attacking situation would be the greatest waste of a human since ... (fill in your own thoughts) .......

 

[manly al]

I am certain that Turbo would make a very very good centre before he becomes a great 2nd rower ...... however my problem with that is that 95% of his attacking value is his freedom at fullback to pop in the middle ,on the left,, on the right, on the 1st tackle the 3rd tackle or the 5th tackle ......

To stand him out in the centre (like Suli) for 3 games without getting one pass in an attacking situation would be the greatest waste of a human since ... (fill in your own thoughts) .......

Full credit for your consistency and persistency on the matter but just based on Tom "s general playing and running style and tendencies , just do not think that this is really conductive or suited to a back rower"s role . No doubt you have a different perspective , i mainly relate to guys like Crusher Cleal and Rambo Gibbs and modern day players like Alex Glenn and Cooper [ and no doubt other examples who are or have been very suited to such a transition . Luke Lewis may have been an exception away from this mould but again in Tom"s case and based on his playing style and tendencies ,really can not see how he would be suited to this type of transition . No doubt also he has originally been ear marked and looked upon as a long term full back for Manly and again would be surprised if he does ever end up as a back rower for Manly .

 

[Woodsie]

Full credit for your consistency and persistency on the matter but just based on Tom "s general playing and running style and tendencies , just do not think that this is really conductive or suited to a back rower"s role . No doubt you have a different perspective , i mainly relate to guys like Crusher Cleal and Rambo Gibbs and modern day players like Alex Glenn and Cooper [ and no doubt other examples who are or have been very suited to such a transition . Luke Lewis may have been an exception away from this mould but again in Tom"s case and based on his playing style and tendencies ,really can not see how he would be suited to this type of transition . No doubt also he has originally been ear marked and looked upon as a long term full back for Manly and again would be surprised if he does ever end up as a back rower for Manly .

No biggie Al .... you are usually pretty good .... so it is not an embarrassment for you to be wrong this time ......

 

[manly al]

No biggie Al .... you are usually pretty good .... so it is not an embarrassment for you to be wrong this time ......

To be quite candid , whatever will be in the best interests of any future Manly sides and if Tom does end up in the back row , so be it and i will just be modestly embarrassed .

 

[HoldenV8]

Latrell Mitchell struggled at fullback and was eventually moved to centre where, without the burden of fullback positional play (especially in defence), he is now one of the best in the game. This should be an option for TT.

As much as Mitchell is a talented player, one of the main reasons he is seen as one of today's better centres is because of this obsession everyone seems to have nowadays with how great players are with the ball in their hands.

For mine, a great centre is one who can not only attack.....but can defend as well. Mitchell can attack the live long day, but his defence, even in the centres where he is not the last line, is piss weak most times.

A great centre is a Bob Fulton, Michael O'Connor, Terry Hill, Steve Matai, Jamie Lyon, or if you want to go outside of Manly someone like a Mal Meninga or Andrew Ettingshausen. All were brilliant with either speed, the ball in hand or both. But all probably stopped more tries being scored with their defence than they ever scored or created themselves. Players like Latrell Mitchell and James Roberts may be great attacking players, but for mine their defence is highly questionable. And until (if) they become strong defenders, to me they will never be greats of the game no matter how many tries they score or rep games they play.

As for Tommy.....playing him in the centres or on the wing for NSW and Australia would be OK because those sides are generally stacked with top players who can do similar or same that he can. But for Manly I think playing him in the centres limits his involvement because he'd be stuck on one side of the field. At fullback he can join (or run through) the line at any point.

Sure he has a few errors in his game that he needs to work on. But I wouldn't be moving him from fullback.....not for Manly at least.

 

[HoldenV8]

I think people have a tendency of looking back at a player like Snake with rose coloured glasses on. Yes he was a great player, not denying that at all. But in his early years he made errors, missed tackles and was often caught out of position in defence. It wasn't until around 2006-2007 that his game really started to come together and he developed into the champion fullback we knew and loved in our #1 jumper.

As @Turbo1 said, if he was as poor as some would like to believe at times, Tom wouldn't even be an afterthought for NSW or Kangaroos selectors. Yet if things go well he is set to be a mainstay in both sides for the next decade.

He won't play fullback for NSW, at least not this year. But he will be in a Blues jumper either in the centres or at worst on the wing. And don't be too surprised when Slater finally hangs his rep boots up if the first Kangaroos team read out has the name Tom Trbojevic in the #1 jumper.

 

[Heckenberg]

Turbo should play left side second row. close to the action. Allows him to play through the ruck and still play up the left side in attacking raids. I can’t remember him attacking the right side ever anyway people say his value is that he can pop up anywhere at fullback but he almost always sticks to the left side of the field. the way he is used is almost very predictable it’s just that he’s so bloody good that he is still tricky to stop.

 

[Holmsey]

Hes not the best ball playing fb he cant even pass to the right. He always sits on the left he needs to learn to pass right lol he willget there though he needs to straighten and give kelly room. He never goes right or barely does

The only ball player better then Tom is Slater and he is the greatest fullback of all time but I'd argue Tom has more passing selections. And he does straighten e.g Thompson try, kelly try.

 

[MadMarcus]

I think he’d make a great prop or hooker.

And I’m saying that purely because I think they’re the only 2 positions that haven’t been suggested for him...

He’s woefully out of form imo. Needs to cut those errors out of his game ASAP.

@Turbo1 @HoldenV8 disagree. Please explain...? You want him to keep the errors in his game? You think he’s in good form?

 

[Woodsie]

I think he’d make a great prop or hooker.

And I’m saying that purely because I think they’re the only 2 positions that haven’t been suggested for him...

Now you are just being silly .... you know Suli is earmarked for those positions ....

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Take it away Simon & Garfunkel:

I am a rock,
I am a diamond...

 

[HoldenV8]

Tom isn't in career best form, but he's not woefully out of form either. His running game is still strong and his passing game is getting better. Though yes I will agree with others here that he needs to run straight a bit more and not crowd his outside supports so much. He also needs to be banned from kicking the ball.

His defensive positioning, while still not great, isn't helped by the fact that he often has to make tackles in the line which seems to be a trend with a number of teams these days (though I still think the FB should only last line tackle if they have to and spend most of their time floating around the back following the ball). When the ball is then passed off to the first receiver who either kicks across field to the wing or does a long pass, of course that is going to see him out of position.

The good thing is, and I have noticed a lot more of this in his game this year, is that when he does make an error he gets straight back into it. He doesn't drop his head and mope around.

Yes he does have a few errors in his game which needs addressing. But to say he is woefully out of form is being overly critical in my view.

If he gets picked for NSW this week (and I think he will definitely be selected in the centres), we are going to see what we will be missing without him in the side. The last time he didn't play (against the Tits in Gladstone), we saw a number of breaks made by DCE, yet the player who would normally be there tailing in support, Tom, wasn't there. Matty Wright who played FB that day just didn't provide that.

 

[Holmsey]

I think he’d make a great prop or hooker.

And I’m saying that purely because I think they’re the only 2 positions that haven’t been suggested for him...


@Turbo1 @HoldenV8 disagree. Please explain...? You want him to keep the errors in his game? You think he’s in good form?

Errors need to go and will go with time. And if he is out of form damn id love to see him in form as he has been devestating to the opposition the last 3 weeks.

 

[Holmsey]

Kelly try Thompson try you know nothing aegon targaryen (jokes) kelly try was just horrid defense and the other he was going across field for joels. Have you noticed he doesnt play right side? He needs to address that too he can be so much more like slater who can kill you boths sides. Tommy is a machine but he needs dce to step up and as for hodkinson he will help but hes no green. He did a great short side raid right side 10 out if frank was good we would of scored. So he can add to our attack maybe under Barrett he'll improve somewhat

Winter is coming, and with it the Destrojevic that is Tom. He will get better and perform better with time, but at the moment he is doing something right seeing as he will line up for NSW.

 

[Volley]

Given the sh*t that comes out of Phil Gould on a weekly basis, you sure couldn't have picked a worse "expert" to try and make a point.
F***ing dinosaur should be retired out to pasture (or shot).

Anyway, I'm going to bet all the money in China that I have seen more Manly games featuring Turbo that any of those so called experts.
He has been error prone (missed grubbers, dropped balls, forward passes) and consistently made incorrect decisions in attack all last season and this.

Doesn’t surprise me that the American is advocating someone be shot...

 

[TokyoEagle]

Given the sh*t that comes out of Phil Gould on a weekly basis, you sure couldn't have picked a worse "expert" to try and make a point.
F***ing dinosaur should be retired out to pasture (or shot).

Anyway, I'm going to bet all the money in China that I have seen more Manly games featuring Turbo that any of those so called experts.
He has been error prone (missed grubbers, dropped balls, forward passes) and consistently made incorrect decisions in attack all last season and this.

Who do you replace him with?

 

[Oracle]

Last year Tom was more free flowing with ball playing combo's around Jake and DC which gave us great success.
This year opposition coaches have managed to limit there impact (just like how Leilua and Ropana have been stifled) and as a consequence our wingers are not scoring like they should be.
The trouble is there is still that tendency where all three players are looking for each other to the detriment of other missed opportunities. (Other players)
I have seen Walker throw his hands up in frustration and I'm sure Kelly feels it to.
Let's face it our backline looks clunky.
Who do I blame ? well DC suffers from tunnel vision, as captain he needs to show more trust in every backline player to do the same job that he thinks the turbos and forwards can do and we will win more games.
Once that happens I garuntee Tom will go the next level .
I doubt Hodko suffers from tunnel vision.

 

[Cameron]

Winter is coming, and with it the Destrojevic that is Tom. He will get better and perform better with time, but at the moment he is doing something right seeing as he will line up for NSW.

Dropitvic don’t you mean? Fullbacks gotta be able to safely defuse kicks. He’s cost us 4
Points this year. The Canberra game and the roosters games by not being able to do this.

 

[Paw93]

Dropitvic don’t you mean? Fullbacks gotta be able to safely defuse kicks. He’s cost us 4
Points this year. The Canberra game and the roosters games by not being able to do this.

Roosters game, yes but he was hardly the reason we lost the Raiders game. We had enough opportunities to seal that game. Hell, we even made the breaks to score that definitive try but couldn't capitalise. Have to put that one down to our halves.

 

[Disco]

People are ridiculous

2018 Try Assists
Turbo – 11
DCE - 6
Api – 5
Kelly - 3
Croker – 3

2018 Linebreaks
Turbo - 10
Kelly - 7
Uate – 6
DCE – 4
Thompson - 4

2018 Line Break Assists
Turbo - 14
DCE - 4
Api - 4
Croker - 3
Hodkinson - 2

2018 Tackle Busts
Turbo – 49
Taupau – 40
DCE – 33
Kelly – 30
Api – 22
Thompson – 22

2018 Offloads
Taupau - 36
Turbo - 13
Lane - 12
Perrett - 11
Jake – 8


2018 Forced Dropouts
DCE – 7
Turbo – 5
Api – 1
Kelly – 1
Suli – 1
Hodkinson - 1
Wright - 1

I mean I know this is a forum and people have a right to their opinion, but then again, sometimes you need to just sit back and realize, flat earthers, trump supporters, and "turbo needs to be moved" advocates are a bit crazy!!!

Is he playing his best?..........No
Is he still one of the best talents in the league?.......Yes
Is he arguably our best player?..........Yes
Would 16 NRL coaches snap there arm off to have him?.......Yes

Honestly its like some here expect him to come out and sh*t a gold bullion on the halfway line each match

Enjoy the amazing player we have and close this thread

#rantover