Holmsey
Bencher
Read the stats honestly ignore but everyone knows he is a terrific ball player.
Is Tom's best position fullback?
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Holmsey
Bencher
Guess what he will be taking Teddys spot in the near future. Just watch.
Holmsey
Bencher
Who played fullback in the world cup for a little bit under Slater. Tom has already been playing fullback for Australia in parts. Tom will get a chance he has a higher ceiling then Teddy.
anthonyb1965
GO Manly
I love Tommy but it is concerning with all the experience and training/direction he received from the World Cup players that his play hasn't improved out of sight!
It concerns me that there doesn't seem to be anyone coaching him. It concerns me that players like Ponga "seem" to be well ahead of TT attack and defence.
The there is this "roving" role he seems to be instructed to do and 9 times out of ten, crabs across field to link up with support only to run them out of room.
Holmsey
Bencher
Everyones solution to Tom's small errors right now is move him and forget, everything will fall into place. Here's the main issues that will stop this move from ever becoming true.
1. Tom's identity
Tom sees himself as a fullback and there fore is receiving fullbacks money. Everyone knows he belongs in this spot and that is why no one ever talks about moving. If you told him your getting a pay cut moving to the edge and not playing fullback again he would leave for a fullback spot. Tom is a fullback.
2. Tom's ability
Tom is one of the best attacking and ball playing fullbacks in the game, when he is at his best there is no more destructive fullback in the game. Stats show Tom is one of the best. In 2017 behind a gun stable side he was statistically the best fullback in the game. With his ball playing attributes why sit him on an edge where he will receive 20% of what he gets at fullback meaning we get 20% of Tom at his best.
3. Tom's talent
Tom is a massive talent and he is only 21 and yet he has already done so much in the game. Imagine coming 5 years down the track, he would have improved massively with experience.
Tom won't be from fullback almost never unless he gets injured and he does and Inglis and ends up in the centres.
1. Tom's identity
Tom sees himself as a fullback and there fore is receiving fullbacks money. Everyone knows he belongs in this spot and that is why no one ever talks about moving. If you told him your getting a pay cut moving to the edge and not playing fullback again he would leave for a fullback spot. Tom is a fullback.
2. Tom's ability
Tom is one of the best attacking and ball playing fullbacks in the game, when he is at his best there is no more destructive fullback in the game. Stats show Tom is one of the best. In 2017 behind a gun stable side he was statistically the best fullback in the game. With his ball playing attributes why sit him on an edge where he will receive 20% of what he gets at fullback meaning we get 20% of Tom at his best.
3. Tom's talent
Tom is a massive talent and he is only 21 and yet he has already done so much in the game. Imagine coming 5 years down the track, he would have improved massively with experience.
Tom won't be from fullback almost never unless he gets injured and he does and Inglis and ends up in the centres.
Holmsey
Bencher
Ponga and Tom shouldn't be compared. Tom for one has completely different body type and is tall and lanky and Ponga also isn't stuck in a horrible team, team enviroment and poor coaching staff. He looked happy and relaxed with Freddy he had barely and defensive issues and he was safe as houses under the high ball. If we eventually get a good stable side with good coaches and Tom hasn't improved then we should be worried.
Pittwater Legend
We brought back Geoff Toovey!
Gotta say, the way Holmsey carries on about Tom is making me resent Tom a little.
Jake is every bit deserving of all the accolades he gets and has been rock solid ever since he debuted. He would actually make my all-time Sea Eagles side if I was to pick one. Tom on the other hand has a lot of **** that he needs to fix up. Capable of throwing a ripper of a pass every now and then but I don't have total confidence in his ball playing.
Jake is every bit deserving of all the accolades he gets and has been rock solid ever since he debuted. He would actually make my all-time Sea Eagles side if I was to pick one. Tom on the other hand has a lot of **** that he needs to fix up. Capable of throwing a ripper of a pass every now and then but I don't have total confidence in his ball playing.
anthonyb1965
GO Manly
I used Ponga as and example and who else should we compare? Fullbacks compared with Fullbacks?
The sides stability is not the issue, the coaching is the issue. How long will Tom have to wait for the "right" coach? 1 year, 2 years?
MuzztheEagle
Bencher
I was just about to post this exact point and Tom's body type does need to be considered:
4. Tom's size.
Tom is significantly bigger and taller than the best fullbacks, both recently and in the past. His size puts him in a similar category to Inglis and Hayne - two players that have always struggled in both defensive efforts and consistency in the role.
I do strongly believe that Tom can be a superstar player, but his coach (whoever it may be) needs to find a way to fit him into the squad to play to his strengths and cover his weaknesses. A traditional (or modern) fullback is not the answer.
Holmsey
Bencher
A sides stability is an issue for players. Tom has to play with different players every week through injury and the combos that great players form aren't always available for Tom. Plus if my side was constantly in the headlines for all the wrong reasons it can play on your mind.
Tom is a very good athlete with potential but doesn't have a natural football brain, they are hard to develop but hopefully with experience that will come
To explain what I mean, in the occasions this season where he has been put into space or outside his man, he takes the wrong option 75% of the time. If he should throw a short ball, he will throw it to over the top to the winger, if he should throw a long ball, he will throw a short one or go himself, when he should back himself to go through a hole he will pass etc. One that sticks in my mind was against Brisbane, he had the defence beaten and could have strolled over but passed to Jake who had to do a fair amount of work to get the try
Hopefully as more of these situations present themselves he will figure out what the correct play is for what he sees in front of him
His predecessor Stewart had a fantastic football brain and maximised the most of his opportunities so that's a hard act to follow
Personally I feel Tom has been poor in his output for Manly this year, it isn't due to a lack of effort though. He is only young but for the second highest paid member of our squad, we need better
To explain what I mean, in the occasions this season where he has been put into space or outside his man, he takes the wrong option 75% of the time. If he should throw a short ball, he will throw it to over the top to the winger, if he should throw a long ball, he will throw a short one or go himself, when he should back himself to go through a hole he will pass etc. One that sticks in my mind was against Brisbane, he had the defence beaten and could have strolled over but passed to Jake who had to do a fair amount of work to get the try
Hopefully as more of these situations present themselves he will figure out what the correct play is for what he sees in front of him
His predecessor Stewart had a fantastic football brain and maximised the most of his opportunities so that's a hard act to follow
Personally I feel Tom has been poor in his output for Manly this year, it isn't due to a lack of effort though. He is only young but for the second highest paid member of our squad, we need better
Holmsey
Bencher
I'm not carrying on mate I'm stating my opinion and your entitled your opinion of Tom as well doesn't mean I have to agree with everyone. The forum would be boring if we all had the same thoughts. Not trying to fight or carry on I'm just enjoying a good footy debate. None of this is personal to me.
Stevo
First Grader
Why wouldn't we compare Turbo and Ponga????????
Both Fullbacks, both very early 20's both being used as second 5/8's.
The only difference is that Ponga is a natural ball player which will make him a superstar. Tom is not.
Holmsey
Bencher
Honestly mate your best argument you've put forward is Tom isn't a ball player because I say so! Come up with something constructive.
Holmsey
Bencher
I'm just as unhappy as you with his poor errors but he throws a hell of good passes more than his bad ones. (Maybe go watch some 2017 games and see how good Tom is when he has a good stable side with him).
BirdMan4ever
Reserve Grader
ive said it many times, many did not agree.
TOM IS NOT A FULLBACK, he is a WINGER. that i why he did well in SOO.
tall and good under the bomb , runs the ball out well.
Tom has no football brains, he is a Forest Gump....run son just run .
we need a fullback. Tom to WING.
If Tom has 10% of Snakes footballs brains we would had min 3 extra wins this season.
TOM IS NOT A FULLBACK, he is a WINGER. that i why he did well in SOO.
tall and good under the bomb , runs the ball out well.
Tom has no football brains, he is a Forest Gump....run son just run .
we need a fullback. Tom to WING.
If Tom has 10% of Snakes footballs brains we would had min 3 extra wins this season.
Stevo
First Grader
Mate i haven't missed a manly competition game since 2003
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