Results speak. The guy is a total fraud. One day he'll be the lead story on A Current Affair for scamming clubs.
'ex' Barrett's Bulldogs
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MadMarcus
Toovey for NRL CEO
If he was playing at the Storm he’d have to deal with salary cap issues left by Bellamy to pay for his decades of success, a lot of travel and it is also cold there.
At the Roosters he’d have to deal with Uncle Nick, who no doubt wouldn’t let Trent have full control, as well as a substandard ground while they are rebuilding the SFS.
Despite all those challenges, give him 5 years at either club and although he might pick up a few spoons along the way I’m sure he could turn it around and make the 8 by year 5 (as long as they don’t get any injuries, suspensions, bad ref calls, bad weather or bad traffic on the way to training and no black cats walk in their path).
AlxFromNthNarra
Rarely does big posts worth reading....maybe
Barrett is the Media's perfect coach.
Handsome, eloquent, played-the-game credibility, turns up to press conferences and says the right things - things the media wants to hear, things they can turn into their insipid sports columns. Barrett has high praise from Media personalities like Gould - so he must be fair dinkum right? - and is generally seen as a good bloke who 'gets' his players and bonds with them having been one himself.
Weirdly, players speak highly of him - whether out of actual loyalty to club/coach or whether because they actually like him as a person. Wonder if those same players respect his coaching ability however, when the big scores and lopsided losses start piling up. Do they respect him as a coach? Or just think of him as a mate?
Problem with Trent is, he has presided now over 2 clubs going backwards under his watch. His track record is going to start to follow him if he gets the boot from Canterbury.
First time at Manly there were some excuses - new coach without huge amount of experience but boundless potential; facilities that didn't enable him; infighting at the club undermined him; didn't get to have every player he would have wanted etc. Overlooking the fact that he had Bozo helping his early decisions in building the team and mentoring him (Maybe some would argue Bozo didn't get it 100% right, but not me - i'm not soiling his memory in defence of Barrett)
Now at Bulldogs its comments like 'they don't have a head-of Football' and 'he inherited a club in a rebuilding phase'. His problem is he makes mediocrity the norm, and a lack of excellence is dressed up in a myriad of excuses - which others buy in to and grant him reprieve for.
Not many other coaches get cut so much slack - Seibold, McGregor, Toovey, Morris are all examples of coaches that couldn't play ducks and drakes to the same degree and avoid the media scrutiny and pressure designed to stoke fan anger and to erode player confidence (because these NRL players ABSOLUTELY read what is written about them, despite them saying they don't). All to make a good story.
Soon enough the fans are whipped up into a frenzy and the players are reading the media releases telling them their club is in crisis, or the coach has lost the room - or whatever other superlative of failure you want to express. If you don't think that **** brings down a coach then you probably haven't seen the recent spate of sackings in the past few years.
Barrett is given a lot of leeway to weave his excuses - and because he usually delivers them in a measured way people think he has a plan to dig them out of it. He builds teams based on individuals and then they lose their sheen under him. God knows what attracts them to a club with him as coach in the first instance. It devalues them on the market, and in some cases shortens their income-earning potential.
At Manly, how was that team in 2018 that finished 2nd-last and had the worst Def record of any Manly team ever, the same as the team in 2019? Hint - it was the same team, just under different guidance.
I don't think Barrett has a plan. He thinks he does, and the media tries to promote that he does, but he is being found out. Say what you like about Des in the down times, but he takes stock and finds a way - this season is proof. 'Oh but its all Turbo' - maybe so, but the cowboys aren't thanking us for resting Turbo are they.
I might be a bit harsh to utter the name of a new, green coach like Barrett in the same sentence as the true coaching prime ranks (Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler, Robinson-with-help), yet he still attracts quality players buying the kool-aid.
Lets see how Addo-Carr and Burton's careers go next year (along with hoever many signings his smoke and mirrors attract moving fwd)
Handsome, eloquent, played-the-game credibility, turns up to press conferences and says the right things - things the media wants to hear, things they can turn into their insipid sports columns. Barrett has high praise from Media personalities like Gould - so he must be fair dinkum right? - and is generally seen as a good bloke who 'gets' his players and bonds with them having been one himself.
Weirdly, players speak highly of him - whether out of actual loyalty to club/coach or whether because they actually like him as a person. Wonder if those same players respect his coaching ability however, when the big scores and lopsided losses start piling up. Do they respect him as a coach? Or just think of him as a mate?
Problem with Trent is, he has presided now over 2 clubs going backwards under his watch. His track record is going to start to follow him if he gets the boot from Canterbury.
First time at Manly there were some excuses - new coach without huge amount of experience but boundless potential; facilities that didn't enable him; infighting at the club undermined him; didn't get to have every player he would have wanted etc. Overlooking the fact that he had Bozo helping his early decisions in building the team and mentoring him (Maybe some would argue Bozo didn't get it 100% right, but not me - i'm not soiling his memory in defence of Barrett)
Now at Bulldogs its comments like 'they don't have a head-of Football' and 'he inherited a club in a rebuilding phase'. His problem is he makes mediocrity the norm, and a lack of excellence is dressed up in a myriad of excuses - which others buy in to and grant him reprieve for.
Not many other coaches get cut so much slack - Seibold, McGregor, Toovey, Morris are all examples of coaches that couldn't play ducks and drakes to the same degree and avoid the media scrutiny and pressure designed to stoke fan anger and to erode player confidence (because these NRL players ABSOLUTELY read what is written about them, despite them saying they don't). All to make a good story.
Soon enough the fans are whipped up into a frenzy and the players are reading the media releases telling them their club is in crisis, or the coach has lost the room - or whatever other superlative of failure you want to express. If you don't think that **** brings down a coach then you probably haven't seen the recent spate of sackings in the past few years.
Barrett is given a lot of leeway to weave his excuses - and because he usually delivers them in a measured way people think he has a plan to dig them out of it. He builds teams based on individuals and then they lose their sheen under him. God knows what attracts them to a club with him as coach in the first instance. It devalues them on the market, and in some cases shortens their income-earning potential.
At Manly, how was that team in 2018 that finished 2nd-last and had the worst Def record of any Manly team ever, the same as the team in 2019? Hint - it was the same team, just under different guidance.
I don't think Barrett has a plan. He thinks he does, and the media tries to promote that he does, but he is being found out. Say what you like about Des in the down times, but he takes stock and finds a way - this season is proof. 'Oh but its all Turbo' - maybe so, but the cowboys aren't thanking us for resting Turbo are they.
I might be a bit harsh to utter the name of a new, green coach like Barrett in the same sentence as the true coaching prime ranks (Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler, Robinson-with-help), yet he still attracts quality players buying the kool-aid.
Lets see how Addo-Carr and Burton's careers go next year (along with hoever many signings his smoke and mirrors attract moving fwd)
conanu
Bencher
Ahh fair play for responding @Woodsie in this instance it was a but of a stir up on my behalf, I agree with your sentiments regarding snapshots in time can reveal different opinions, however I know now (it was only a hinch before) without doubt Trent is not a head coach. He may be an exceptional specialist coach and I actually think he could suit as a representative coach, where he just gets the best talent handed to him in camp and fabricates a one off game plan for a rep match, much like Freddy does. He just isn’t a developmental head coach, his teams are always inconsistent, they show improvement one week and regress the next. Des on the other hand is 100% a developmental head coach that spends a lot of time on individual players and improves the side incrementally and once they hit the mark they become very consistent, Des has proven this when he rebuilt the club in the mid 2000’s and seems to be following a similar path with the latest team. Des always believed he could fix the problems he left at Bulldogs but they got impatient and punted him, I believe he would have eventually sorted it. Trent always looks to buy his way into contention and always seems to have the litany of excuses, be it politics behind the scenes, facilities, football department spend, furniture, injuries the list goes on, the fact remains that we never saw our current side perform anywhere near this consistency under Trent even with arguably a stronger roster.
I don’t think Trent will get another chance as a head coach after this stint at the Dogs, I think it will end like his Manly tenure, but if he does, I think he might re-think his scorched earth method of cleaning out the experience and buying in mercenaries both within the clubs coaching staff and playing roster He does this before the young lads have learned the craft then looks for the next thing that will fix it. It is what he did at Manly and now at Bulldogs.
Some may disagree, but I believe that there isn’t another coach better than Des that has over-achieved under issues with club politics, media smear campaigns and extremely low football operations budgets. When it comes to getting blood from a stone under duress, Des has proven himself to be a master coach, regardless of where the current team ends up in history. Trent at this point hasn’t managed in 4 seasons to get a side to perform consistently at all.
Kevinward777
First Grader
Seibold won a premiership?
Kevinward777
First Grader
Where has this guy been? Welcome back!
conanu
Bencher
Des had already won 2 premierships at Manly as a player then 2 as a coach and taken Bulldogs from 9th to first in his first season with them. He improved Bulldogs.
Barrett had never won a premiership and took Manly from 9th to 13th in his first season. Not to mention his negative impact he had on Penrith U20’s sides.
Thats why I have never had faith in the bloke, he was actually very inconsistent as a player, he was basically Corey Norman standard with a better attitude and good looks.
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
Didn't T-Bagz also coach the goons U20's?
Mate, I am not arguing that Dessie isn't a better coach ... go back and read the post that I answered ... I was asked how many years would I need to form an opinion ... my answer was to ask the questions you copied in your post ... I have simply pointed out that all coaches would get different ratings at different times in their careers ...
conanu
Bencher
Fair enough mate. As I have said before, you are always a good sport and to be fair you always front up for the debate 👍👍
MadMarcus
Toovey for NRL CEO
I disagree with this completely.
In fact I think the Dogs 2021 team is the most consistent team I’ve ever seen. They are **** every single week, and as far as I can tell they’ll be **** for the foreseeable future.
pt73
Bencher
Dogs club have sanctioned the "COVID 5".
www.foxsports.com.au
LIVE: Bulldogs sanction Covid breach five; Payten cleared to return to Cowboys training
LIVE: Bulldogs sanction Covid breach five; Payten cleared to return to Cowboys training
www.foxsports.com.au
pt73
Bencher
Would love to be a fly on the wall at this, mind you with a phone to record it.
www.smh.com.au
Five Bulldogs players ordered to front board over bubble breach
The Bulldogs haven’t finished sanctioning the five players who breached COVID-19 protocols, ordering them to front the board of directors.
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
What a wonderful review of Tbaz.
It's like a time machine.
www.thekennel.net.au
It's like a time machine.
BAZZ!
Baz! All year I’ve been saying let’s see what he brings next year with a new squad etc… but am I the only one worried about how players are declining under him? Ok I get we won’t ever going to beat the Titans as they are under achieving massively with the roster they have, but **** me cmon...
www.thekennel.net.au
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
Those few dogs fans defending Baz say he is a master recruiter, but this post nails it:
It's interesting to look at why we got all these new players. There are circumstances which aligned for us:
You could even add this years crop
Others like Waddell, Allan & Flanagan have been busts & weren't wanted by their clubs
It's interesting to look at why we got all these new players. There are circumstances which aligned for us:
- Dufty - BBQ Gate
- Vaughan - BBQ Gate
- TPJ - Broncos major salary cap issues
- Naden - Off field issues
- Addo-Carr - wanted to move back to Sydney
- Burton wanted a permanent gig in the halves in first grade
You could even add this years crop
- Cotric - wanted to play centres & big pay packet
- Hetherington - wanted regular first grade & a liability at the judiciary
- Seumanufagai - wanted to come home from UK & play in Sydney
Others like Waddell, Allan & Flanagan have been busts & weren't wanted by their clubs
Barrett is being found out. Takes no blame himself just says a few players in his side need to have a look at themselves. So glad he is gone it was like having a splinter removed almost instant pain relief. Only one thing better was seeing the back of Greenberg.
Kevinward777
First Grader
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
Even King Wally didn't get such a ride.
About round 6 or 7 , 2022.
That’s how long he has.
That’s how long he has.
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