[Resurrected] DCE is the worst halfback in the NRL

[SeaEagleSI1]

 

[jbb/james]

I dont get this DCE does run narrative.

DCE has the most runs and most run metres of all halfbacks in the comp this year.

Look, DCE has he flaws but I think he is taken for granted. I think when he retires many will realise what we have lost.

Love your stat addiction disco.

It stems from his desire not to be tackled, and i dont mean caught, and there is a huge difference as a ball player .

Lots of his try assists have him fading to the ground sideways in order to commit defenders, or running at gaps to promote . Had a good thing going with lane how he could deliver this sideways option to lane a few metres out who literally fell over the line as examples of what i say

His ball playing is either in space or sideways

Dce gets tackled but all playmakers get there ribs tested . DCE is still on his first set of baby ribs. He seems to avoid the treatment year on year, maybe just a few a year

caught with the ball after digging a hole is a run to the line stat,

Tackled stats and runs or touches stats totally mislead the footy reality . He is a great backer uperer , how many run metres attribute to that , and intercepts

Out of oku, suli, siro and koula. Who truely looked like they had a running half that was putting them in real gaps. Surely its not all them . A consistency of all of them that i see is he wastes time and space with shimmys, double pumps and swervy birds before delivering passes which give outside players less time and room to be effective, but it pumps up the stats

Most stats are to mislead punters IMO . Its the stats they dont want you to see i like. If you were in charge of footy betting there would be far more important stats to collect that determine outcomes. Not all runs are equal

 

[BOZO]

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35 years of Age and he is not just s competitor
DCE is a Dominator
He is a Living Maroon Miracle

 

[jbb/james]

35 years of Age and he is not just s competitor
DCE is a Dominator
He is a Living Maroon Miracle

Reckon he might be a cliff young and run to perth for a milkshake when he is 80. Does have a good motor. Could also see him doing a fatty classic catch moment down the track

 

[BOZO]

Reckon he might be a cliff young and run to perth for a milkshake when he is 80. Does have a good motor. Could also see him doing a fatty classic catch moment down the track

It is all in our DNA make up feathered friend
Some bodies DNA is made to go further than others
The DCE DNA keeps on Keeping ON !

 

[Eagle 1]

Think the D C E was only on 130 K for that initial contract in 2011 so certainly would not begrudge any player in a similar situation for a major upgrade .
Also think that it was then bumped up to about 500 K and which seemed quite realistic at the time .
Guess that there will always be some level of conjecture about his very hefty and consequent 8 year deal arrangement versus his overall club performance and value for money following this contract Probably or in simplistic terms can be best summed up in a mixed spectrum from very good at times and to very indifferent .
Great servant for the club which can never be disputed however and hopefully can still be capable of some good form level in his remaining time at Manly .

Actually 130k was good money 14yrs ago, now it's the minimum sign on these days.

 

[Disco]

Love your stat addiction disco.

It stems from his desire not to be tackled, and i dont mean caught, and there is a huge difference as a ball player .

Lots of his try assists have him fading to the ground sideways in order to commit defenders, or running at gaps to promote . Had a good thing going with lane how he could deliver this sideways option to lane a few metres out who literally fell over the line as examples of what i say

His ball playing is either in space or sideways

Dce gets tackled but all playmakers get there ribs tested . DCE is still on his first set of baby ribs. He seems to avoid the treatment year on year, maybe just a few a year

caught with the ball after digging a hole is a run to the line stat,

Tackled stats and runs or touches stats totally mislead the footy reality . He is a great backer uperer , how many run metres attribute to that , and intercepts

Out of oku, suli, siro and koula. Who truely looked like they had a running half that was putting them in real gaps. Surely its not all them . A consistency of all of them that i see is he wastes time and space with shimmys, double pumps and swervy birds before delivering passes which give outside players less time and room to be effective, but it pumps up the stats

Most stats are to mislead punters IMO . Its the stats they dont want you to see i like. If you were in charge of footy betting there would be far more important stats to collect that determine outcomes. Not all runs are equal

Stats are imperfect but often show a more balanced view then the vast majority of viewers/fans.

We are all blinded by our pre-concieved views on players and shifting those perceptions is difficult.

More often than not once a fan has an idea on the value of a player they use comfirmation bias to reinforce that view.

They search out a particular moment or two in a game that supports their narrative and ignore the 5 others that don't.

We are all inherently flawed as objective viewers because we are all so passionate about Manly.

 

[jbb/james]

Stats are imperfect but often show a more balanced view then the vast majority of viewers/fans.

We are all blinded by our pre-concieved views on players and shifting those perceptions is difficult.

More often than not once a fan has an idea on the value of a player they use comfirmation bias to reinforce that view.

They search out a particular moment or two in a game that supports their narrative and ignore the 5 others that don't.

We are all inherently flawed as objective viewers because we are all so passionate about Manly.

Nice overview but nothing about the all that footy stuff , just preconception
Seems a tad ironic , anyway footy

not sure i questioned the intergity of stats, just how they can be obtained

Do you think players aim to meet stat expectations and some do that better than others. If a coach requests a return is making the return more important than white line fever types. Getting more kick off returns, targeting hit ups after fast play the balls . Some players are masters and it puts food on the table because they are human first. Kapow springs to mind

The barrett dce kicking years was about ticking boxes or stats surely

SuperCoach is this game. Do you think players play supercoach and it could impact how they play

Up to you where you shine the torch but thanks for the couch time.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I dont get this DCE doesn't run narrative.

DCE has the most runs and most run metres of all halfbacks in the comp this year.

Look, DCE has he flaws but I think he is taken for granted. I think when he retires many will realise what we have lost.

Haha as I'm sure you know it's quite fashionable these days to repeat stuff again and again, whether or not it has any basis in fact, and sure enough there are plenty who hear it and assume there must be some truth in it.

The most underrated thing about DCE is his toughness, I reckon. The measured, polite speaking voice and the absence of cheap shot rubbish in his game has blinded many who like to judge books by the cover. Daly's toughness is probably something he learned from his old man, who was reputed to be a tough nut.

 

[BOZO]

Daly's toughness is probably something he learned from his old man, who was reputed to be a tough nut.

Our DNA make up comes from our family tree
It can come from our Mothers family tree or our Fathers family tree
Some family seeds are are more Resilient and Potent than others

 

[BOZO]

Speaking of Potent Family trees ...
The Super Sea eagle Seed of Our Premiership Winning John Hopoate has produced a lot of quality NRL players

 

[Disco]

Nice overview but nothing about the all that footy stuff , just preconception
Seems a tad ironic , anyway footy

not sure i questioned the intergity of stats, just how they can be obtained

Do you think players aim to meet stat expectations and some do that better than others. If a coach requests a return is making the return more important than white line fever types. Getting more kick off returns, targeting hit ups after fast play the balls . Some players are masters and it puts food on the table because they are human first. Kapow springs to mind

The barrett dce kicking years was about ticking boxes or stats surely

SuperCoach is this game. Do you think players play supercoach and it could impact how they play

Up to you where you shine the torch but thanks for the couch time.

I think players generally want to win.

I dont think players take the field with the intention to pad stats for their own vanity or for supercoach.

I do think players follow directions from their coaching staff and at times that could be stat based ie a coach trying to get a forward more involved and tell them that they expect them to take 15 hit ups. Or stats aside a coach having a tactic or kicking the ball dead or kicking early which half them complies with.

I think coaches putting those directions in place, rightly or wrongly, are doing so because they believe it is the best course to victory and players follow them on that belief.

Back to DCE and my view, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that your primary issue seems to be a sylistic one not an outcome one. You expect a halfback to play in a particular way, that be to take the ball direct to the line, expose yourself to the line, take the hit and create space for the outside man. Foran in his prime if you will.

I too love that style and that was home I played (albeit not very well) but I think all players are unique and DCE has his own way of playing.

Imperfect sure but overall a significant positive to our team......again, in my opinion.

 

[mave]

Cherry last night showed yet again he could have been the best #9 in the comp, had he been willing to take the hits and move there years ago.

 

[Disco]

Cherry last night showed yet again he could have been the best #9 in the comp, had he been willing to take the hits and move there years ago.

Had he been willing to take the hits....

Like the coaches dont pick where players play...

Do you think any of Toovey, Barrett, Hasler or Seibold floated the idea and Chez told them no?

Daly we think maybe we'd like to play you at hooker....what? Oh you dont want to, oh okay sorry.

If any of our coaches wanted to move DCE to hooker he would have been player hooker.

Players dont pick their position, they are selected in them.

 

[jbb/james]

I think players generally want to win.

I dont think players take the field with the intention to pad stats for their own vanity or for supercoach.

I do think players follow directions from their coaching staff and at times that could be stat based ie a coach trying to get a forward more involved and tell them that they expect them to take 15 hit ups. Or stats aside a coach having a tactic or kicking the ball dead or kicking early which half them complies with.

I think coaches putting those directions in place, rightly or wrongly, are doing so because they believe it is the best course to victory and players follow them on that belief.

Back to DCE and my view, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that your primary issue seems to be a sylistic one not an outcome one. You expect a halfback to play in a particular way, that be to take the ball direct to the line, expose yourself to the line, take the hit and create space for the outside man. Foran in his prime if you will.

I too love that style and that was home I played (albeit not very well) but I think all players are unique and DCE has his own way of playing.

Imperfect sure but overall a significant positive to our team......again, in my opinion.

Good post , i agree generally players want to win
Partly yes , and a good example foran is. Roles are very important in the spine and our search to find those roles cheaply continually evade us. It seems the answer has been staring at us the whole time. Just buy the queensland team. Bloody Penn

Even now with brooks and dce we look lost and they are close to best credentialed halves in the comp

I also think he needs to adapt his style to suit the team more and play with more control like he does for qld at least until late in the game or scoreboard pressure dictates BUT

But i was addressing your qustion, why do people not think he takes the ball to the line when stats indicate he does . And i went into depth to explain

Nothing more really

 

[Disco]

Good post , i agree generally players want to win
Partly yes , and a good example foran is. Roles are very important in the spine and our search to find those roles cheaply continually evade us. It seems the answer has been staring at us the whole time. Just buy the queensland team. Bloody Penn

Even now with brooks and dce we look lost and they are close to best credentialed halves in the comp

I also think he needs to adapt his style to suit the team more and play with more control like he does for qld at least until late in the game or scoreboard pressure dictates BUT

But i was addressing your qustion, why do people not think he takes the ball to the line when stats indicate he does . And i went into depth to explain

Nothing more really

Ah sweet, so I guess its around our view of taking the ball to the line.

I don't see him as a non runner, I dont see him as looking to preserve himself. I think he engages the line, creates line breaks, bust tackles, offloads etc but it is the jinking, swerving more ad hoc runs which at times works a treat and at times crowds Ola and Garrick (previously Koula).

And stats support that.

But I do agree he doesn't dig into the line and take a hit to create space ala Foran.

Personally I'm okay with that.

 

[Disco]

I've enjoyed this discussion though.

 

[jbb/james]

Ah sweet, so I guess its around our view of taking the ball to the line.

I don't see him as a non runner, I dont see him as looking to preserve himself. I think he engages the line, creates line breaks, bust tackles, offloads etc but it is the jinking, swerving more ad hoc runs which at times works a treat and at times crowds Ola and Garrick (previously Koula).

And stats support that.

But I do agree he doesn't dig into the line and take a hit to create space ala Foran.

Personally I'm okay with that.

I think our kicking game also lacks the same approach. Its why i find it hard to single out the pack as being soley responsible for our go forward and outcomes . The pack desreves a kicker that looks to routinely eats metres before kicking and to run the team on side when possible , especially now kickers have to be bathed , dried and complimented after every kick

Its all about the 1% and these are way more, it really is kicker basics

Its not a skill thing, if its not preservation its what

No way any coach ever says its a tactic to kick off the back foot whenever possible to wear there markers down trying to get to the kicker

What spine would compliment his game i ask

 

[Disco]

I think our kicking game also lacks the same approach. Its why i find it hard to single out the pack as being soley responsible for our go forward and outcomes . The pack desreves a kicker that looks to routinely eats metres before kicking and to run the team on side when possible , especially now kickers have to be bathed , dried and complimented after every kick

Its all about the 1% and these are way more, it really is kicker basics

Its not a skill thing, if its not preservation its what

No way any coach ever says its a tactic to kick off the back foot whenever possible to wear there markers down trying to get to the kicker

What spine would compliment his game i ask

Can I ask which halves you see running to to line before kicking for metres?

What you make up in 3-4metres I think is far outweighed by what you lose in accuracy and depth. Kicking deep on the run is prone to errors.

It terms of positioning closer to the advantage line, sure but you need clean crisp service for that. Something we have lacked for years.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Stats this , stats that , put him with a great forward pack and he can win man of the match at the elitist of levels.

His problem at Manly is when our forwards get dominated he try’s to do too much.

Absolute legend , we are blessed to have him.