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Cust vs Croker at 9

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Against the grain I know, and i am not a fan of Crockers by no means, but the resurgence of the team on the back of Turbo has also saw or seemingly saw Crocker improve out of sight.
Against the Titans and again the Tigers I was wondering how the hell is Des going to take him off, he was playing that well.... then crocker started looking a little more like.... well Crocker....and on came Cust.
So I'm not against Des using him as he has been the last few games and keeping him on longer while he is doing good things.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised that early in the season DESpicable had instructed Froggy just to tackle and pass the ball.
He obviously has more skill than that, being a natural five-eighth, and when allowed to show some initiative he is proving to be a useful player.
 

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Against the grain I know, and i am not a fan of Crockers by no means, but the resurgence of the team on the back of Turbo has also saw or seemingly saw Crocker improve out of sight.
Against the Titans and again the Tigers I was wondering how the hell is Des going to take him off, he was playing that well.... then crocker started looking a little more like.... well Crocker....and on came Cust.
So I'm not against Des using him as he has been the last few games and keeping him on longer while he is doing good things.
His last two matches have been probably the best he has played for us with the exception of the win against the Roosters last year. It's nice to see him playing well, given we are stuck with him for many weeks yet.
 

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The reality is that everyone's performance has improved on the back of Turbo's presence. Croker has been great defensively. However that's about it. He offers jatz crackers in attack. I think the addition of Cust will make us more potent in attack.
 
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In many considerations in life I will do a "Pro v. Con" analysis of the problem. My answers are then weighed to give me a decision of "either, or".

Not trying to teach any one to suck eggs, but this has been and still is a viable business decision making tool.

When analysing two teams in this week's tipping contest, I will conduct this analysis of each team's players, with the "Pro" question being, which player(s) can win the game for their side.

I now ask you;

Do you think Cust or Croker could win the game for you?
 
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Cust was re-signed out of desperation because of the Fainu debacle and us not having a real 6. In normal times it would not have happened and he would be playing reggies somewhere. He is not an NRL 9 or 6.

I'm not sure weeks will be an NRL standard half, and I have my doubts.

DCE will be gone after 2023 and we we seriously need a halves partner for Schuster then...if Schuster is to be a 6.

The way I see it our TOP priorities going forward are finding a future half and 9 if Fainu doesn't get off.

We can't keep playing this ":stop gap" game...it doesn't work unless there are solid plans in the pipeline.
 
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Cust was re-signed out of desperation because of the Fainu debacle and us not having a real 6. In normal times it would not have happened and he would be playing reggies somewhere. He is not an NRL 9 or 6.

I'm not sure weeks will be an NRL standard half, and I have my doubts.

DCE will be gone after 2023 and we we seriously need a halves partner for Schuster then...if Schuster is to be a 6.

The way I see it our TOP priorities going forward are finding a future half and 9 if Fainu doesn't get off.

We can't keep playing this ":stop gap" game...it doesn't work unless there are solid plans in the pipeline.
Agree. I've already put a line through Weekes. I'm just not seeing anything that suggests ge will be an NRL player let alone NRL half. Hope I'm proven wrong but I wouldn't be expecting too much from him.
 

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Agree. I've already put a line through Weekes. I'm just not seeing anything that suggests ge will be an NRL player let alone NRL half. Hope I'm proven wrong but I wouldn't be expecting too much from him.

Oh Yeah?

Well.... screw you buddy!
 

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Some interesting stats on Croker over the first 7 rounds:
Rounds 1 to 4
Running metres = ave 12m per game
Tackles = ave 34 per game
Missed tackles = ave 3 per game

Rounds 5 to 7
Running metres = ave 40m per game
Tackles = ave 40 per game
Missed tackles = ave 1 per game

It certainly looks like he is improving however, we did play 3 of the top 5 in the first 4 rounds.

I think Croker is an 'honest' player, the type of player Des loves in terms of his 'no-frills' player, which he has always had in every team I can remember, like Willo. A player who trains hard and contributes, can cover positions in the backs and forwards, not a standout, but always 'puts-in'.

I'm not saying it's the right philosophy, particularly at 9 however, I think that's where Des' mind is at and always has been.
 

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In many considerations in life I will do a "Pro v. Con" analysis of the problem. My answers are then weighed to give me a decision of "either, or".

Not trying to teach any one to suck eggs, but this has been and still is a viable business decision making tool.

When analysing two teams in this week's tipping contest, I will conduct this analysis of each team's players, with the "Pro" question being, which player(s) can win the game for their side.

I now ask you;

Do you think Cust or Croker could win the game for you?
And hows all that analysis working out for ya....
*Looks through tipping comp....page 1 no...pages 2...no.....pages 3 nope..where the fk is he *
Pretty good by the look of things............

Sorry couldn't help myself just being a smart @ss....
Carry one analysing....
Its good advice in any case.
Cheers
 

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I won the tipping comp for a major Tipping Competition, with big prizes, for three years in a row and that was over 15 years ago.. My secret was a rather famous NRL statistician, who I was fortunate to meet and befriend (and he wasn't in the tipping comp). He wasn't as famous then and was happy to give his reasons why a team would win or would not with all his statistical knowledge on the NRL. He is an encyclopaedia of NRL knowledge.

Each week after he had done all the analysis, I'd call him and he'd give me his tips and over those 3 years he had close to an 80% success rate. I probably dipped it up and down a bit, as I'd always back Manly.

I think he actually alerted coaches to his statistics in trying to earn a 'buck' and while he did have some success in the media, he just unfortunately didn't have the media presence. I think Des may have adapted his ideas with his statistician 'Will Badel', to analyse player performance.

So, yep, if you have the data, and that's hard to get, use it, as you'll likely be far more successful however, if you don't have the data then you're just a 'mug' like the rest of us and using your best judgement.

With all his data, I can recall that my contact got only 3 rounds correct over 3 years. Lies, lies and damn statistics.
 
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And hows all that analysis working out for ya....
*Looks through tipping comp....page 1 no...pages 2...no.....pages 3 nope..where the fk is he *
Pretty good by the look of things............

Sorry couldn't help myself just being a smart @ss....
Carry one analysing....
Its good advice in any case.
Cheers
Dear Mr Smart @ss....

I may be analytical, however, being a reformed punter I have previously come to the answer to "cash in my pocket or someone else's?"

I still believe that Cust is a game winner, if you give him the right exposure to NRL, whereas Croker will struggle to hold his place, let alone, win a Dally M or even be a Daly clone.

Like a rollin' stone!
 

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In many considerations in life I will do a "Pro v. Con" analysis of the problem. My answers are then weighed to give me a decision of "either, or".

Not trying to teach any one to suck eggs, but this has been and still is a viable business decision making tool.

When analysing two teams in this week's tipping contest, I will conduct this analysis of each team's players, with the "Pro" question being, which player(s) can win the game for their side.

I now ask you;

Do you think Cust or Croker could win the game for you?
Cust is most likely to win a game for you but is also most likely to lose a game for you(through defence or risky options in attack). Given our attacking options in other areas, Des has gone for the safety first option.
 
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Again no game time for Cust. Not sure what's doing here? You can bet your bottom dollar as soon as Lawton is fit and available he will come in for Cust. Hopefully Des would give Lawton more game time than he does Cust. We can't continue with Croker for 70 minutes if we are to be serious contenders. Croker should play no more than 20-25 mins a game.
Obviously Des doesn't like something in Cust's game.
 

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Again no game time for Cust. Not sure what's doing here? You can bet your bottom dollar as soon as Lawton is fit and available he will come in for Cust. Hopefully Des would give Lawton more game time than he does Cust. We can't continue with Croker for 70 minutes if we are to be serious contenders. Croker should play no more than 20-25 mins a game.
Obviously Des doesn't like something in Cust's game.
Api ruck area keeping us in 2 minds was big difference. Need someone to offer this if lawton can great.
Croker tries hard but simply is a duck out of water at 9
 

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Croker should captain the Blacktown Worker's side for the rest of the season. They need an honest no frills toiler to lead them.
 

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Saab wouldn't have scored that last try if Cust hadn't thrown a cut-out ball from dummy half at the start of the play. Croker would have just shuffled it on.

Cust has way better attacking instincts and skills than Croker. I get that Croker racks up a lot of tackles and that he's filling the role Des wants him to fill. But sometimes we just need a point of difference, and giving Cust 15 minutes at the very end of the game doesn't give him much of a chance to provide that.
 

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Neither are the long term answer, Cust offers slightly more in attack, Croker has been incredible in defence for the past three matches, considering we have points in our backline I think the need to keep the defence in the middle strong gives Croker the nod.

That being said, can't wait to have a specialist 9 in the role. Geez I'd love Parcell back, his speed in the six again era would be so valuable.
 

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