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Neither are the long term answer, Cust offers slightly more in attack, Croker has been incredible in defence for the past three matches, considering we have points in our backline I think the need to keep the defence in the middle strong gives Croker the nod.

That being said, can't wait to have a specialist 9 in the role. Geez I'd love Parcell back, his speed in the six again era would be so valuable.
Yeah Croker does his job well BUT he gets way too many minutes in my opinion. Cust should be playing at least 30 minutes! He hardly gets chance to show what he can do, he is a match winner and can turn a game on his own with individual brilliance. Again, Croker is valuable with his defence but we need more spark. I really hope Lawton hits the ground running and carves up. We need him starting and either Croker or Cust off bench. Wouldn't it be amazing if Fainu is cleared and allowed to play the last couple games. We could have a Lawton and Fainu combo come finals time. Optimistic I know
 

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Again no game time for Cust. Not sure what's doing here? You can bet your bottom dollar as soon as Lawton is fit and available he will come in for Cust. Hopefully Des would give Lawton more game time than he does Cust. We can't continue with Croker for 70 minutes if we are to be serious contenders. Croker should play no more than 20-25 mins a game.
Obviously Des doesn't like something in Cust's game.
Yep, he looks on borrowed time to me. I have no inside info, but if Fainu comes back and with Lawton, I think Cust will be in Blacktown for the foreseeable future. It won’t surprise me to see us release him next year.
 

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Yep, he looks on borrowed time to me. I have no inside info, but if Fainu comes back and with Lawton, I think Cust will be in Blacktown for the foreseeable future. It won’t surprise me to see us release him next year.
And he hasn't done anything wrong. Tuff spot.
 

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Yep, he looks on borrowed time to me. I have no inside info, but if Fainu comes back and with Lawton, I think Cust will be in Blacktown for the foreseeable future. It won’t surprise me to see us release him next year.
Just a question. Is it even possible to get both on the field this year due to spots and cap. I remember reading quite late that manly hadnt applied for the exemption for this season for fainu in spot and coin. Not too long after lawton was signed.
 

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And he hasn't done anything wrong. Tuff spot.
I agree. I would prefer him to play as many if not more minutes than Croker, it just seems he is somewhat on the outer. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Broncos pick him up cheap if they miss out on some of the big guns.
 

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Yep, he looks on borrowed time to me. I have no inside info, but if Fainu comes back and with Lawton, I think Cust will be in Blacktown for the foreseeable future. It won’t surprise me to see us release him next year.
Crocker is off contract end of this year no? Surely he doesn't get a contract renewal.
 

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Crocker is off contract end of this year no? Surely he doesn't get a contract renewal.
No I don't think he will; but I also fear for Cust. The Fainu trial will certainly play a part here; if Fainu doesn't return we must go to market, none of our options are what we need from a primary number nine. I like Lawton as our 14 though.

I could be way off regarding Cust. I'm just sensing (like Robbo) that something is amiss.
 

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Just watched the second half of the Warriors and the Cows, and while it wasn't a high quality game, it's way harder to defend a dummy-half like Jake Granville (even though he's probably well past his best) who is a threat to run or throw a long ball. Croker does one thing every play: dumps the ball off one-wide of the ruck. Sure, he might go left or he might go right, but that's all he's going to do so that's all you need to defend. We need somebody who asks more questions, otherwise all the pressure falls onto Tommy and our halves.
 

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KOROISAU SHOWS MANLY WHAT THEY ARE MISSING

Returning from injury Api Koroisau came back to haunt his old club and expose the difference between Manly and the top teams in the competition.

Koroisau was squeezed out of the Manly side due to salary cap pressure and Manase Fainu’s legal troubles have left the Sea Eagles short in one of the most important positions on the field.

Manly have been able to rediscover their mojo on the back of Tom Trbojevic’s brilliance, but against the best team in the competition, their vulnerability at hooker was again exposed.

No disrespect to Lachlan Croker, but he is not a natural hooker and while he is solid in defence he doesn’t challenge the line with his running game nearly enough.

Croker had just one run for 11 metres against the Panthers and did not manage a linebreak, linebreak assist, try assist, offload or tackle bust in the entire game.

Meanwhile, Koroisau carved up the middle third of the field with 80 run metres from seven runs to get his forwards on the front foot.

The problem with Croker’s lack of running game is it allows the good defences to target Daly Cherry-Evans and Kieran Foran and that heaps even more pressure on Trbojevic to be the game breaker at the back.

In their current formation Manly can be a competitive team this season and maybe even make the finals, but they won’t be challenging the best teams come September until they unearth an attacking running threat at dummyhalf."
 

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KOROISAU SHOWS MANLY WHAT THEY ARE MISSING

Returning from injury Api Koroisau came back to haunt his old club and expose the difference between Manly and the top teams in the competition.

Koroisau was squeezed out of the Manly side due to salary cap pressure and Manase Fainu’s legal troubles have left the Sea Eagles short in one of the most important positions on the field.

Manly have been able to rediscover their mojo on the back of Tom Trbojevic’s brilliance, but against the best team in the competition, their vulnerability at hooker was again exposed.

No disrespect to Lachlan Croker, but he is not a natural hooker and while he is solid in defence he doesn’t challenge the line with his running game nearly enough.

Croker had just one run for 11 metres against the Panthers and did not manage a linebreak, linebreak assist, try assist, offload or tackle bust in the entire game.

Meanwhile, Koroisau carved up the middle third of the field with 80 run metres from seven runs to get his forwards on the front foot.

The problem with Croker’s lack of running game is it allows the good defences to target Daly Cherry-Evans and Kieran Foran and that heaps even more pressure on Trbojevic to be the game breaker at the back.

In their current formation Manly can be a competitive team this season and maybe even make the finals, but they won’t be challenging the best teams come September until they unearth an attacking running threat at dummyhalf."
Hard to present a counter argument to that.
 

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KOROISAU SHOWS MANLY WHAT THEY ARE MISSING

Returning from injury Api Koroisau came back to haunt his old club and expose the difference between Manly and the top teams in the competition.

Koroisau was squeezed out of the Manly side due to salary cap pressure and Manase Fainu’s legal troubles have left the Sea Eagles short in one of the most important positions on the field.

Manly have been able to rediscover their mojo on the back of Tom Trbojevic’s brilliance, but against the best team in the competition, their vulnerability at hooker was again exposed.

No disrespect to Lachlan Croker, but he is not a natural hooker and while he is solid in defence he doesn’t challenge the line with his running game nearly enough.

Croker had just one run for 11 metres against the Panthers and did not manage a linebreak, linebreak assist, try assist, offload or tackle bust in the entire game.

Meanwhile, Koroisau carved up the middle third of the field with 80 run metres from seven runs to get his forwards on the front foot.

The problem with Croker’s lack of running game is it allows the good defences to target Daly Cherry-Evans and Kieran Foran and that heaps even more pressure on Trbojevic to be the game breaker at the back.

In their current formation Manly can be a competitive team this season and maybe even make the finals, but they won’t be challenging the best teams come September until they unearth an attacking running threat at dummyhalf."
Well we've all known it. It's a major weakness and it must be changed. We can't compete with a complete lack of any creativity from the #9. Des has to make the change. I also don't think we getting enough from Foz at #6. It's basically 1 trick from Croker defense and Foran kicking .
Move Schu to #6, Olak at #12, Siro bench, Foz to#14 , Cust to #9.
 

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Well we've all known it. It's a major weakness and it must be changed. We can't compete with a complete lack of any creativity from the #9. Des has to make the change. I also don't think we getting enough from Foz at #6. It's basically 1 trick from Croker defense and Foran kicking .
Move Schu to #6, Olak at #12, Siro bench, Foz to#14 , Cust to #9.
100% right. That looks better and we need to be smart and find improvement, its definitely worth a run, surely there’s upside there, but I‘ve got serious doubts we‘ll get see it.
 

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Croker has been much improved - definitely doing a job for us.

he is doing a job, but a bad one. as mentioned by Fox Sports, Croker has no go forward in attack and with ball distribution.

I hate to wish this, but it seems the only way Cust is going to get a go at starting hooker is for Croker to get injured. Then we can all see if Cust has a future at hooker, as he certainly will take the line on and move forward before passing the ball. Croker does not do this - all the good hookers do.

so far injuries forcing Des's hands have done a lot better job than Des picking the team by himself.
 

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Hopefully that close loss to the Panthers highlighted the areas where we are lacking compared to the top teams.

At very least Cust needs to be getting more minutes. Though I am not really convinced by either of them yet.
 

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