Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

[JakeyB789]

Didn't he and DCE mention something about switching up our style, to be something more suited for finals? I can't believe they weren't doing it earlier, but if we stop playing stupid, we are a much better chance of knocking off the Top 8 teams we play soon.

It seems like our style of play definitely has changed over the last 3 games and the Tigers/Souths games were used to adjust to the changes, maybe some of us were a bit too harsh on those wins.. I know I was! Definitely something that should have happened sooner.

I know there's been a bit of talk from Seibold and the Trbo's about Tom returning to fullback eventually but no way I'd be going back to that now while we're playing well. The backline as a whole looks far more balanced in the current state and I fear Tom back at fullback would see us becoming too Tom-centric again and he goes back to hammering his body taking 30 (mostly) ineffective hit ups a game. In the centres he's been able to pick his moments and we're getting more quality over quantity, not to mention the added benefit of Garrick being back on the wing. Credit to Seibold for this one because I'm liking what I'm seeing here.

 

[Bomb Voyage]

It seems like our style of play definitely has changed over the last 3 games and the Tigers/Souths games were used to adjust to the changes, maybe some of us were a bit too harsh on those wins.. I know I was! Definitely something that should have happened sooner.

I know there's been a bit of talk from Seibold and the Trbo's about Tom returning to fullback eventually but no way I'd be going back to that now while we're playing well. The backline as a whole looks far more balanced in the current state and I fear Tom back at fullback would see us becoming too Tom-centric again and he goes back to hammering his body taking 30 (mostly) ineffective hit ups a game. In the centres he's been able to pick his moments and we're getting more quality over quantity, not to mention the added benefit of Garrick being back on the wing. Credit to Seibold for this one because I'm liking what I'm seeing here.

How do you see our gameplay has changed?

 

[mave]

How do you see our gameplay has changed?

Well Harry Grant made his season high tackle count, (63 in 80 minutes) which dented his running game.

That seems like a huge change from what we were doing earlier on the season.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Well Harry Grant made his season high tackle count, (63 in 80 minutes) which dented his running game.

That seems like a huge change from what we were doing earlier on the season.

It was mentioned after the game (by DCE?) that this was a deliberate strategy. The fact we even had a deliberate strategy - let alone an effective one - was a pleasant surprise.

And it's been noted over the last few weeks that we appear to have adjusted our style of play along with moving players (Tom and Rueben) around. We are playing more direct, not trying to shift the ball wide on every play no matter where we are on the field, and are looking a little more patient and composed overall. (To be honest, I thought we were a little too patient against the Storm in that second half. We needed more points.)

There are signs of coaching, along with the signs of life.

 

[Wombat64]

I used to think premiership but we’ve won eight in over 80 years so there has to be more to following the club than that. Wins against Melbourne in Melbourne during seasons of turmoil is cause for a very big celebration!

1,000,000%

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

You are pretending he was some hyped up youngster like Joseph Suaalii. His name was barely mentioned until Seibold took him on the Vegas trip when no one expected it. Of course he deserves credit for developing him as well as another player like Koula who has gone to a new level this year

His talent was recognised way back when he was playing juniors and won trophies with the Fainu brothers. You make it seem like Seibs has such an astute eye for talent. He's gone through the Manly pathways since he was 12. If anything its his old man Hoppa Sr who brought him through and deserves credit.
Maybe this pic should wake you up....

 

[globaleagle]

Looks like those 7 min review papers worked a treat! woot woot

 

[frank stokes]

It seems like our style of play definitely has changed over the last 3 games and the Tigers/Souths games were used to adjust to the changes, maybe some of us were a bit too harsh on those wins.. I know I was! Definitely something that should have happened sooner.

I know there's been a bit of talk from Seibold and the Trbo's about Tom returning to fullback eventually but no way I'd be going back to that now while we're playing well. The backline as a whole looks far more balanced in the current state and I fear Tom back at fullback would see us becoming too Tom-centric again and he goes back to hammering his body taking 30 (mostly) ineffective hit ups a game. In the centres he's been able to pick his moments and we're getting more quality over quantity, not to mention the added benefit of Garrick being back on the wing. Credit to Seibold for this one because I'm liking what I'm seeing here.

My big problem with Tom going back to FB is that it pretty much ensures Reubs returns to centre as you can’t throw young Loppa in there at the back end of the season with no gameday experience…
Imo Tom is better at FB but Reubs is our best winger and we need Loppa in the team (and thankfully he is a bloody good FB)…

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

My big problem with Tom going back to FB is that it pretty much ensures Reubs returns to centre as you can’t throw young Loppa in there at the back end of the season with no gameday experience…
Imo Tom is better at FB but Reubs is our best winger and we need Loppa in the team (and thankfully he is a bloody good FB)…

The big question is backs cover on the bench. Picking Talau but never using him doesn't seem like a long term plan.
CheeKam is the utility but presumably hasn't shown enough to get the role, even when we're down on forwards

 

[Brookie Bob]

At least we are conceding less tries from repeat sets this year:

What makes this even more impressive is the sheer number of repeat sets Canberra is facing. Through 19 rounds the Raiders have suffered an extra 37 sets than in 2024, the next highest is +17 for the Warriors. They’ve defended 278 repeat sets this season, which leads the NRL. For reference the lowest is Manly this season who have seen just 217 repeat sets. Despite this they’ve conceded two fewer tries from repeat sets this year (43 versus 45 in 2024), showing how far their defense has come.

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[Pete W]

At least we are conceding less tries from repeat sets this year:

What makes this even more impressive is the sheer number of repeat sets Canberra is facing. Through 19 rounds the Raiders have suffered an extra 37 sets than in 2024, the next highest is +17 for the Warriors. They’ve defended 278 repeat sets this season, which leads the NRL. For reference the lowest is Manly this season who have seen just 217 repeat sets. Despite this they’ve conceded two fewer tries from repeat sets this year (43 versus 45 in 2024), showing how far their defense has come.

The Canberra Raiders are now what I thought they might be - The Rugby League Eye Test

After six rounds last season I presented some data showing the Raiders had the statistical profile of a top four side. I also noted that given this data, I thought they were likely to make the top eight despite sitting near the bottom of most 2024 season previews. I don’t usually make these...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

I could be reading this wrong, but doesn't say last year our opponents converted repeat sets into tries 11% and this year 19%. That's significantly worse this year

 

[Ohgeez]

His talent was recognised way back when he was playing juniors and won trophies with the Fainu brothers. You make it seem like Seibs has such an astute eye for talent. He's gone through the Manly pathways since he was 12. If anything its his old man Hoppa Sr who brought him through and deserves credit.
Maybe this pic should wake you up....
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So everyone deserves credit for developing him apart from Seibold? Give it a break mate, you are embarrassing yourself. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s a good coach but at this point you are just being a troll.

 

[Woodsie]

So everyone deserves credit for developing him apart from Seibold? Give it a break mate, you are embarrassing yourself. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s a good coach but at this point you are just being a troll.

I think it is hilarious that his grandiose anti- Seibold statement about not bringing juniors through .... has deteriorated into a ludicrous ramble about JUST one player ... Hoppa

a player that Seibold did in fact take to Las Vegas and gave him his debut at 19 .... but wait for it ....

That DOESN'T COUNT .... Baaahaahahaha

PS ... we still await @TheSoaringEagle2023 providing us with the list of juniors denied their righteous debut by the mean naughty Seidold ..

 

[Brookie Bob]

I could be reading this wrong, but doesn't say last year our opponents converted repeat sets into tries 11% and this year 19%. That's significantly worse this year

The data above it relates specifically to second halves, and tries scored by opponents in that time. So yes - based on that, you're right. However I was highlighting the sole fact that we've conceded two less tries overall from repeat sets over the same time period - so there's a marginal improvement.

 

[Eagles4Life]

So everyone deserves credit for developing him apart from Seibold? Give it a break mate, you are embarrassing yourself. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s a good coach but at this point you are just being a troll.

Seibold could take us to a premiership, and his hardcore detractors on Silvertails, would still give him no credit for doing so. They will be all over this forum, bagging and blaming him (and Seibold only), if the Bulldogs beat us this week.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Seibold could take us to a premiership, and his hardcore detractors on Silvertails, would still give him no credit for doing so. They will be all over this forum, bagging and blaming him (and Seibold only), if the Bulldogs beat us this week.

They are salivating at the thought of a loss!!

Honestly , I find that pretty sad really , I do wonder at times if some aren’t real fans , really here to stir up ****.

Some I know are genuine fans who are just incredibly frustrated ( and I get that ) but their refusal to acknowledge that any success we have is at all attributed to the Seibold led football department is at times , hilarious.

But you are dead right , lose on Sunday ( which we are highly likely to do as I just cannot see us being UP two weeks in a row ) and they’ll be back on here , driving it into “ Seidud “ in droves.

 

[silvereagle]

To be honest, I thought we were a little too patient against the Storm in that second half. We needed more points.

Not sure it was a case of too much patience. More a case of no Simpkin and only 3 left on the bench. Jaz has been very good for us but he is not an attacking hooker. Makes the win even sweeter.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

So everyone deserves credit for developing him apart from Seibold? Give it a break mate, you are embarrassing yourself. It’s fine if you don’t think he’s a good coach but at this point you are just being a troll.

You clown. I said his old man Hoppa Sr deserved most of the credit for his development, maybe read what I said before second guessing my posts. You made it seem like Seibs picked him up from nowhere like no one had heard of him. Maybe the fact that his brothers have already played NRL might give you a hint as to who is responsible for their development. I'd love for you to tell your contrast of opinion to Hoppa Sr' face when it comes to his son's development.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

They are salivating at the thought of a loss!!

Honestly , I find that pretty sad really , I do wonder at times if some aren’t real fans , really here to stir up ****.

Some I know are genuine fans who are just incredibly frustrated ( and I get that ) but their refusal to acknowledge that any success we have is at all attributed to the Seibold led football department is at times , hilarious.

But you are dead right , lose on Sunday ( which we are highly likely to do as I just cannot see us being UP two weeks in a row ) and they’ll be back on here , driving it into “ Seidud “ in droves.

So where does the accountability start and end. Mark?. Correct me if Im wrong but I remember someone in the club saying we had a premiership squad and we are ready to win now and we know who said that. If we don't who do we blame Mark? Tell me. Are you going to kick the can down the road until we as fans with a differing view say Seibs was a super coach even if he doesn't win. I really think you're following the wrong sport, Mark. I really do.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

I think it is hilarious that his grandiose anti- Seibold statement about not bringing juniors through .... has deteriorated into a ludicrous ramble about JUST one player ... Hoppa

a player that Seibold did in fact take to Las Vegas and gave him his debut at 19 .... but wait for it ....

That DOESN'T COUNT .... Baaahaahahaha

PS ... we still await @TheSoaringEagle2023 providing us with the list of juniors denied their righteous debut by the mean naughty Seidold ..

It's ok Woodsie, Im sure Seibs loves your vote of confidence.