Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

[Raven Mad Manly Fan]

The biggest myth going around on here is that we need a "Manly man"

We won comps with Bozo and Des because they were all time great coaches - not because they played for the club.

We just need a really good coach no matter the background

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FACT.

 

[Brookie1973]

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FACT.

Spot on. Ron Willey, Frank Stanton, Bozo, Hasler. Manly premiership winning coaches, all played over 100 first grade games for the club.

NB I think you meant Graham Lowe, not Phil 😀

 

[Rocky]

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FA

Have we ever had a world class coach here that didn't play for Manly?

We can go around in circles here, but if you think it was the fact that Des and Bozo played for Manly was the primary reason they won a premiership as coach here, then I'll politely agree to disagree.

How many games did Cleary play for Penrith and Bellamy play for Melbourne incidentally?

We just need a really good coach, and yes if they played for Manly then even better.

 

[Brookie1973]

Have we ever had a world class coach here that didn't play for Manly?

We can go around in circles here, but if you think it was the fact that Des and Bozo played for Manly was the primary reason they won a premiership as coach here, then I'll politely agree to disagree.

How many games did Cleary play for Penrith and Bellamy play for Melbourne incidentally?

We just need a really good coach, and yes if they played for Manly then even better.

The chances of us landing a proven world class coach are next to zero. The options then seem to be going with a rookie and hope we strike gold (which we tried with Barrett) or picking someone with Manly DNA who has a passion for the place. The fact other teams have won comps without a homegrown coach does not disprove that Manly’s success has always been with a Manly coach.

 

[lsz]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

110% but the experts on here conveniently forget that.

 

[lsz]

110% but the experts on here conveniently forget that.

Just like your comments on players taking unders etc

 

[Brookie1973]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

 

[lsz]

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

Honestly it keeps moving but I would think the generational shift from a player perspective has been a massive one - something we are only just catching up with compared to the states

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Just like your comments on players taking unders etc

They certainly did ( back in the day ) but I bet not one would in 2025.

 

[niccipops]

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

Heaps of changes in the last 10 years. Bunker, video ref scrutinising tries to the millisecond. Stupid 6 agains, hate them, but tolerate them when Manly get them. Rule review focuses that last 2 weeks or so but pop up again randomly. Sin bin phases, drastically affecting games.
HIAs, definitely good for players futures, a good thing.
Miss the old days though.

 

[Brookie1973]

Heaps of changes in the last 10 years. Bunker, video ref scrutinising tries to the millisecond. Stupid 6 agains, hate them, but tolerate them when Manly get them. Rule review focuses that last 2 weeks or so but pop up again randomly. Sin bin phases, drastically affecting games.
HIAs, definitely good for players futures, a good thing.
Miss the old days though.

Can’t disagree with that. Plenty of changes, but I still say the game was better 10 years ago by a long way. Six agains have ruined the game imho.

We were talking more about changes that may have a bearing on whether manlys success under “manly men” could or couldn’t be replicated in today’s game. I say it can.

 

[Phobia]

Thought that I would let you all know, that we are somehow 2-0, ever since Seibold said "every one of us is going to die. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.", and compared rugby league to Gaza, in a presser.

What's baffling is that after every ridiculous Seibold comment we seem to do better.

"I don't concern myself with the result" - afterwards we flog Brisbane

"Trying something different" kicking duel - a much improved performance against the reigning Panthers while down on troops

"Free throw at the stumps" - we win against the Cowboys the week after

Maybe the solution to our problems is simply Seibold saying increasingly stupider things?

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Said it another thread, but I swear I have seen signs of, like, actual coaching in the last two games. Adapting the game plan, showing more patience, concentrating on trying to win the middle and work teams over in the early stages of the game in order to reap the rewards as the game goes on. Much less "Weapons! Weapons! Weapons!" than before.

And yes, I know we've had two wins against two teams playing poorly. But it's better than losing to those teams, like we have been doing. Baby steps, maybe.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Said it another thread, but I swear I have seen signs of, like, actual coaching in the last two games. Adapting the game plan, showing more patience, concentrating on trying to win the middle and work teams over in the early stages of the game in order to reap the rewards as the game goes on. Much less "Weapons! Weapons! Weapons!" than before.

And yes, I know we've had two wins against two teams playing poorly. But it's better than losing to those teams, like we have been doing. Baby steps, maybe.

Marvellous how a hint of getting the sack has focussed the mind of Mr Blandings.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Thought that I would let you all know, that we are somehow 2-0, ever since Seibold said "every one of us is going to die. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.", and compared rugby league to Gaza, in a presser.

What's baffling is that after every ridiculous Seibold comment we seem to do better.

"I don't concern myself with the result" - afterwards we flog Brisbane

"Trying something different" kicking duel - a much improved performance against the reigning Panthers while down on troops

"Free throw at the stumps" - we win against the Cowboys the week after

Maybe the solution to our problems is simply Seibold saying increasingly stupider things?

Well his decision to not choose a halfback in the game vs Souths last year certainly worked.

Oh wait, no it did not.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Appointing a former Manly player as coach is not a quick fix. The game has changed so much and part of our problem is that we drag our feet and are stuck in the past signing too many older forwards at the end of their career. . Money changes everything. Compare player salaries in 2011 to what they are in 2025. Players don't have loyalty to the club they play for, their loyalty is to the dollar they can earn to support their families.
I don't believe that Seibold is the answer either. The old excuse that there is no one better is lame. If you need something you go and look for it, you don't wait for it to fall in your lap. IMO KPI's have been a factor in Seibold's selections and decisions.
Unless you have a very rich benefactor financing a spending spree (a la Bulldogs and Roosters) you need to build for the future. You need to develop young talent and show them a pathway otherwise they won't hang around. The fact that we have a number of players in the top 30 that are clearly viewed by the coaching staff as not up to first grade standard is concerning and points to poor recruitment. An eye for talent is a gift not bestowed to all.

 

[CRPSI eagle]

For me he needs to win 50% of games remaining to stay in his job, 4 from 8.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Said it another thread, but I swear I have seen signs of, like, actual coaching in the last two games. Adapting the game plan, showing more patience, concentrating on trying to win the middle and work teams over in the early stages of the game in order to reap the rewards as the game goes on. Much less "Weapons! Weapons! Weapons!" than before.

And yes, I know we've had two wins against two teams playing poorly. But it's better than losing to those teams, like we have been doing. Baby steps, maybe.

I agree. I’ve noticed a tendency to get into the grind a little. When DCE scored his try to make it 24-0, the old Manly reload and shoot for 50 points, shifting the ball wildly at every opportunity, gifting possession and momentum to the opposition, culminating in a loss or narrow victory.

Sure, the last 15 minutes got a bit scrappy but that happens with fatigue. At least we looked happy to kick long, chase hard and back our defence all night. I thought Corey Waddell was outstanding in defence and his kick chase was excellent. Some of Daly’s tactical kicking was also superb.

 

[Wombat64]

The chances of us landing a proven world class coach are next to zero. The options then seem to be going with a rookie and hope we strike gold (which we tried with Barrett) or picking someone with Manly DNA who has a passion for the place. The fact other teams have won comps without a homegrown coach does not disprove that Manly’s success has always been with a Manly coach.

With Penn as our owner what is in our DNA now? Our DNA is now in the shallow gene pool. Years ago we had to sell out. That DNA which won us all those premierships in the 70s,80s, 90, 00s has gone. Penn is now our DNA that doesn't = wanting to win a premiership at all costs.