2020 hooker (and Fainu disc.)

[The Wheel]

I like how you explain the legal terminology. You’re obviously versed in legal matters as is @urulion . As the case advances I look forward to you both (and other qualified legal eagles on here) helping the rest of us navigate the legal minefield that it seems to be.
There was a Silvertails member (whos name I forget), that went to many if not all of Brett Stewarts court appearances, and then kept us all in the loop, and out of the media spin.
Patience and facts from here on in.

Yes that was a long lost poster DSM5 - I actually still have all his Brett Stewart case posts saved somewhere.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

My apologies SeaEagleRock8, you are correct it seems the reform took place on 30 April 2018. It seems to be substituted with charge certification and case conferencing. Thanks for bringing that to light because I would have continued to be misguided.

Regarding the second point about bail, I suppose every practitioner has a different angle and different instructions from clients. My angle is if a client is incarcerated their most important asset is liberty, and a bail application will be assessed on the material posed before the application (the alleged charges should not constitute a direction on bail, unless of course there is a guilty plea or there are previous convictions of a similar nature).

The only benefit you get by remaining incarcerated is if you are found guilty, that time spent incarcerated will be deducted at the time of sentencing. For me personally, its a small risk for a huge reward (especially if the client has strong grounds to fight the charges he/she should not be there for even one day).

Thanks again and have a nice night.

Absolutely get bail if possible. The problem is you really need to make a good application otherwise you have to show something has changed before you're allowed to try again. The second problem is for the purpose of bail the prosecution case is taken at its highest. In other words, if all you have is a police facts sheet saying '3 witnesses saw the accused hit him with the knife' the court will say that is a strong case. At least when you get the actual evidence you might be able to point to weaknesses in the case. Ditto regarding the allegation Fainu is in some criminal gang, all the police have to say is 'we have evidence he is'. Could be total BS. Hence why for serious charges people are often advised not to apply for bail until they can get everything needed to make a strong application. This is especially so if going for Supreme Court bail because that is your last chance, and if you fail and you end up going to trial a year or more down the track that is a long time to sit in jail when you haven't even been convicted yet.

 

[ricardo]

And you know for a fact he carried out the stabbing?

Nope, not me. No idea on the facts of the matter ...

 

[KNUCKLES]

Absolutely get bail if possible. The problem is you really need to make a good application otherwise you have to show something has changed before you're allowed to try again. The second problem is for the purpose of bail the prosecution case is taken at its highest. In other words, if all you have is a police facts sheet saying '3 witnesses saw the accused hit him with the knife' the court will say that is a strong case. At least when you get the actual evidence you might be able to point to weaknesses in the case. Ditto regarding the allegation Fainu is in some criminal gang, all the police have to say is 'we have evidence he is'. Could be total BS. Hence why for serious charges people are often advised not to apply for bail until they can get everything needed to make a strong application. This is especially so if going for Supreme Court bail because that is your last chance, and if you fail and you end up going to trial a year or more down the track that is a long time to sit in jail when you haven't even been convicted yet.

If he remains on remand for quite some time only to be found not guilty he can sue. And get compensation for time held in custody if succesful

 

[cherry_poppins]

I think we're in enormous trouble, Fainu is our guy like him or not, this will be a long season I think

 

[cherry_poppins]

A specialist hooker is obviously the go ... but at least Cust and Croker will have the entire pre season under Matty Ballin's tutelage ... have no doubt that either would give a handy account of themselves ....

Salivating over that given he's a bloke from a far different age with the least of any attack in the last 20 years

Also he coached a team which was the exact opposite of undefeated, as I'm they lost every ****ing game they played

What a dumpster fire

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

If he remains on remand for quite some time only to be found not guilty he can sue. And get compensation for time held in custody if succesful

No that doesn't happen. You'd virtually have to prove the police were dishonest in laying the charges.

 

[Cioran]

I think we're in enormous trouble, Fainu is our guy like him or not, this will be a long season I think

You have a way of brightening every party. I was expecting 2020 to be a breakout year for Fainu. One man’s disaster will, once again, prove to be another man’s opportunity. May be a way of getting Cust into the team in a starting position.

 

[KNUCKLES]

No that doesn't happen. You'd virtually have to prove the police were dishonest in laying the charges.

It does happen. I know first hand

 

[nightster]

Granville has not been good for 5 years. The most painfully average hooker in the comp. not worth any kind of contract

likewise Michael Lichaa both would be negative moves inmho ... I reckon Des could get something out of Issac Luke if there is no one else available .... bummer we moved Api on

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

It does happen. I know first hand

Fair enough. It doesn't usually happen though!

 

[southsideeagle]

This appears it could drag on for ages eg Walker. This may make it difficult to buy in a new player.
If guilty, he may never return to footy. If not guilty it will be an almighty scare and maybe life changing.

ps I think I'm older then Mark From Brisbane ..just (same year) although he had a harder life as he grow up in Moree. I was from the more refined town of Narrabri haha

 

[Jigzkiller]

I hope he is a citizen guilty or not hanging around the people he does will have him deported these days.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

I wonder what Glanville’s Asking price is?

 

[niccipops]

What I find interesting is that this only appears to be in the sports news, at least from what I've seen online. Yet other like offences are general/breaking news. Does this mean the injury or event isn't significant enough, injury or crime wise, to appear beyond NRL news?
Also they have locked up this young man very quickly. Usually it takes quite a while to build a case against a person of interest because they need solid, indisputable evidence. That's why murderers and rapists walk around scott free for quite a while before they go down, but the coppers often know who the perp is from day one.
This is an intriguing situation.

 

[HappilyManly]

What I find interesting is that this only appears to be in the sports news, at least from what I've seen online. Yet other like offences are general/breaking news. Does this mean the injury or event isn't significant enough, injury or crime wise, to appear beyond NRL news?
Also they have locked up this young man very quickly. Usually it takes quite a while to build a case against a person of interest because they need solid, indisputable evidence. That's why murderers and rapists walk around scott free for quite a while before they go down, but the coppers often know who the perp is from day one.
This is an intriguing situation.

Front Page of DT yesterday and almost the lead News on Sydney TV

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I like how you explain the legal terminology. You’re obviously versed in legal matters as is @urulion . As the case advances I look forward to you both (and other qualified legal eagles on here) helping the rest of us navigate the legal minefield that it seems to be.
There was a Silvertails member (whos name I forget), that went to many if not all of Brett Stewarts court appearances, and then kept us all in the loop, and out of the media spin.
Patience and facts from here on in.

DSM5

Who was a semi regular on my MWTS trips, sadly hasn’t been seen on ST for years.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

This appears it could drag on for ages eg Walker. This may make it difficult to buy in a new player.
If guilty, he may never return to footy. If not guilty it will be an almighty scare and maybe life changing.

ps I think I'm older then Mark From Brisbane ..just (same year) although he had a harder life as he grow up in Moree. I was from the more refined town of Narrabri haha

More refined, ........,lol

 

[HoldenV8]

Jehovahs witnesses still drink lol

My cousin is a JH.....I could tell you stories about their "non-drinking"

 

[R3]

Disappointing but not world ending for manly. Absolutely stupid of him, trying too hard to act tough, why bring a ****ing knife to church. Still glad we got rid of Api, he's good (inconsistently) but not good enough to direct a side to a premiership imo (unless he would've been happy to be bench dummy half for the rest of his career).

Here's a list of people I'd target in order
1. Sam Verrils (spelling)
2. Matt Parcell
3. Cam McCinnes (just offer him money and see what happens)
4. Lachlan Croker
5. Isaac Luke
6. Danny Levi (could work with Hasler well, he has occasional sparks)
7. Josh Reynolds

I’m right with you on that order.

I would also look into Nathan Peats or Jeremy Marshal-King.
Both tough defenders that could suit our playing style