It was Des all along coaching thread

[mudgeagle]

Might be a clue
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[BoomStickBarbie]

Looks like Donny is all signed up

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

You've obviously read your Rules for Radicals. "In the beginning the organizers first job is to create the issues or problems" (Saul Alinksky). All good lefties must tow the party line and find something to whinge about (or invent something) otherwise there is no point being a lefty. Ultimately that is why lefties are such a miserable lot. Try to break the shackles of your brainwashing and look for positives, rather than negatives. Here to help.

Ah, so the players who set up rugby league ‘created the issues or problems’ themselves. And instead should have just kept playing rugby, even though those with rich dads were well looked after if they got hurt, but those who relied on working in a job couldn’t even support their families when they got hurt!
The simple point is, were they or were they not people you would describe as ‘lefties’? It’s not that hard a question Terry. And please, no more Kelly-Ann Conway quick-better-change-the-topic answers!

 

[Deleted member 26876]

I heard it’ll be announced next Monday. Though personally feel today may be our lucky day

 

[Nice Beaver]

If Penn pays out Barrett from Nov till July, does that money not come out of 2019 football department salary cap?

Mate, I thought I read on here the other day that this football department cap does not kick in until 2020?

Could be wrong, but sure I read something like $6.5 million in 2020.

If it does kick in in 2019, then anything paid post Nov 1 would have to count. Technically part of the next season.

 

[The '47ers]

Is it legally possible, that at worst case, we could just demote TBag to an assistant coach position? (and just put him in the corner?!)

 

[Moops]

Im all for realising education standards have gone backwards of recent times (70s - now), however, its a fair stretch to compare primitive philosophy too modern science and try compare the IQ.

I challenge any average 1900s student to have an education let alone complete a modern one.

Some people might say that 'university' education these days has nothing to do with educating, more a brainwashing exercise - hence the NPC meme that needs to be shut down. The truth hurts!! I read a quote a few days ago, something about the kid sitting at the back of the room, saying nothing, is probably the brightest kid in the room with the best ideas.

 

[Briza]

Mate, I thought I read on here the other day that this football department cap does not kick in until 2020?

Could be wrong, but sure I read something like $6.5 million in 2020.

If it does kick in in 2019, then anything paid post Nov 1 would have to count. Technically part of the next season.

You might be right there mate.

 

[niccipops]

Payout sorted. Here you go Trent. Now go!

 

[manly al]

So main settlement or negotiated release amount and issue for Barrett would probably apply to Nov i st 2018 to July 2019 , say some 7 months of pertinent or standard employment and no doubt based on the broad terms of his original contract arrangements . Could be subject to some variation of course and i guess that technically there is nothing stopping Barrett accepting alternative employment during this negotiating time phase . Might diminish some of his bargaining case though and every prospect that he would even have no likely short term interest in his football coaching services . Not sure whether Hasler "s very expected signing is being unduly influenced or delayed by the apparently still unresolved Barrett issue but hardly of a serious concern level right now and the sooner it is finalized the better of course . .

 

[MuzztheEagle]

I call bull#it on everything you say. Yes, the gender issue is raised once a year and quickly forgotten. I can almost predict over the course of the year when the annual talkfest will occur in the media. I don't need newslinks from the Daily Telegraph and the SMH to inform me of anything, so I won't be reading them. I have taught as a casual teacher all over western Sydney and I am telling you what I have witnessed first hand, so I don't need the newspapers telling me how it is. After all, no media outlets have any agendas, right? I suggest you don't always take what the mainstream media says as gospel.

Studies, trials...Yeah, I have heard all about them...LOL! It seems to be one failed study and trial after another, initiated by university professors who are desperately trying to justify their jobs/pay cheques.

I never said the problem wasn't real, I said it was an unpopular topic with mainstream media and half of what you just said agrees with my post!
My issue was with your belief that the problem was due to political correctness, and you have given no evidence or even a logical theory to back this up.

 

[Growler FNQ]

Is it legally possible, that at worst case, we could just demote TBag to an assistant coach position? (and just put him in the corner?!)

There is sound legal opinion to suggest Manly may be in breach of Barrett’s contract should they announce Hasler as their new head coach, meaning the departing mentor would be within his rights to seek damages for what he is owed. Even an attempt to change Barrett’s role at the club to allow Hasler’s return would leave the club in breach according to legal sources.
even though he has demonstrated he is not what he was contracted to be ! ?

 

[MuzztheEagle]

There is sound legal opinion to suggest Manly may be in breach of Barrett’s contract should they announce Hasler as their new head coach, meaning the departing mentor would be within his rights to seek damages for what he is owed. Even an attempt to change Barrett’s role at the club to allow Hasler’s return would leave the club in breach according to legal sources.
even though he has demonstrated he is not what he was contracted to be ! ?

The argument comes down to whether or not the club provided Barret sufficient resources to do his job properly. And it's probably the reason we heard so much from Barrett (and the media) late in the season about what a basket case Manly was. If Barret can show that he couldn't possibly do his job properly with the Manly resources & management then it will be impossible to get rid of him without paying him out. This sort of thing happens all the time in business and the reality is that, as long as you can point the finger elsewhere for poor performance, it is very hard to get sacked from management jobs.

 

[Moops]

I never said the problem wasn't real, I said it was an unpopular topic with mainstream media and half of what you just said agrees with my post!
My issue was with your belief that the problem was due to political correctness, and you have given no evidence or even a logical theory to back this up.

I have deleted the post. It is like me arguing with somebody in the construction industry on how to improve things there. I think I will just stick to these conversations while talking to people face to face. Let's just agree to disagree on the whole political correctness stuff. Face to face, I could provide some compelling evidence/logic on the political nature of things, but I will not do so on an internet forum.

 

[manly al]

What has any nebulous left - right paradigm got to do with or when the Rugby League code became or adopted a paid or professional player paid type mode, and mainly for the welfare and best interests of its senior playing groups at the time . I guess as much relevance when rugby Union finally became a professionally orientated game at a higher level some time ago and one would hardly identify or associate Union as a particularly socialist inclined organization in general .

 

[Woodsie]

The argument comes down to whether or not the club provided Barret sufficient resources to do his job properly. And it's probably the reason we heard so much from Barrett (and the media) late in the season about what a basket case Manly was. If Barret can show that he couldn't possibly do his job properly with the Manly resources & management then it will be impossible to get rid of him without paying him out. This sort of thing happens all the time in business and the reality is that, as long as you can point the finger elsewhere for poor performance, it is very hard to get sacked from management jobs.

Muzz, none of that is important anymore .... Baz, under the terms of his contract gave the req'd 12 month notice of termination ...... why is not legally relevant ......

The issue now is the conditions of his employment .... if his contract states (as assumed it does) .. that he is employed as the head coach and will undertake all duties and responsibilities of the head coach ..... Manly cannot then simply now say you are an assistant ... that would then place Manly in a breach situation as opposed to the current situation of Baz fulfilling his termination period ...

As the article stated ... as soon as a new head coach is announced .... Manly will probably be in breach and a payout due ....

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Muzz, none of that is important anymore .... Baz, under the terms of his contract gave the req'd 12 month notice of termination ...... why is not legally relevant ......

The issue now is the conditions of his employment .... if his contract states (as assumed it does) .. that he is employed as the head coach and will undertake all duties and responsibilities of the head coach ..... Manly cannot then simply now say you are an assistant ... that would then place Manly in a breach situation as opposed to the current situation of Baz fulfilling his termination period ...

As the article stated ... as soon as a new head coach is announced .... Manly will probably be in breach and a payout due ....

Yes, I understand and agree. My point was that Manly's preference would have obviously have been to terminate his contract based on poor performance. But Trent got on the front foot, starts bagging out the club's resources and management and then hands in 12 months notice. Now the club cannot move him on for poor performance and now must meet the requirements of the contact, as you stated, which prevents Hasler from being hired. So it's looking like the club will have to terminate/breach his contract and pay out what is owed under the terms of said contract - a complete clusterf**k really.

 

[mickqld]

There is sound legal opinion to suggest Manly may be in breach of Barrett’s contract should they announce Hasler as their new head coach, meaning the departing mentor would be within his rights to seek damages for what he is owed. Even an attempt to change Barrett’s role at the club to allow Hasler’s return would leave the club in breach according to legal sources.
even though he has demonstrated he is not what he was contracted to be ! ?

If he's resigned with notice for July next year then Manly can legally pay him out till then and tell him to pissoff now. Why they haven't just astounds me.

 

[Woodsie]

Yes, I understand and agree. My point was that Manly's preference would have obviously have been to terminate his contract based on poor performance. But Trent got on the front foot, starts bagging out the club's resources and management and then hands in 12 months notice. Now the club cannot move him on for poor performance and now must meet the requirements of the contact, as you stated, which prevents Hasler from being hired. So it's looking like the club will have to terminate/breach his contract and pay out what is owed under the terms of said contract - a complete clusterf**k really.

Agree a cluster root ..... but I doubt "poor performance" would be provable in a court of arbitration .... but even if ..... Manly would have been req'd to give Baz 12 months notice of termination anyway ..... same situation would result ......

And again ... just for the record ... Trent did not go on the front foot, he said nothing ... news of his resignation was made by Zorba some 2 months after the event ... and Trent only went public after Zorba, then Gorman and then Penn all went public with the character assasination #101 in the press ....

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Agree a cluster root ..... but I doubt "poor performance" would be provable in a court of arbitration .... but even if ..... Manly would have been req'd to give Baz 12 months notice of termination anyway ..... same situation would result ......

And again ... just for the record ... Trent did not go on the front foot, he said nothing ... news of his resignation was made by Zorba some 2 months after the event ... and Trent only went public after Zorba, then Gorman and then Penn all went public with the character assasination #101 in the press ....

FMD this is confusing.
So what was the difference when Toove's was moved on? I don't remember any of this going on when we hired Trent. Was this just a difference in the contracts? If so Trent's manager must have done a good job / someone at Manly really F'd up. My guess was this difference was Trent resigning opposed to Toove's getting sacked (and not fighting it).
In reference to my comment about Trent getting on the front foot I meant more in his act of resigning due to poor support rather than media contact, but my post was poorly worded so your comments are fair.