Walker cleared to play.

[40 years an eagle]

Its only Walker.
Through his own stupidity, injury and being played out of his best position by the gelled one, he has contributed well below his pay grade.
With real Manly coaching and support staff many players will perform much better and as a TEAM than they did the past few years without Walker.

His banishment will allow us to upgrade Funa who can grow into his position and also play FB when TT is on rep duty.

All is not lost, maybe more a blessing in disguise.
Young Hoppa will appear later in the season, Garrick shows great signs, Suli will be much better under Des and hopefully we can lure Will back after we ditch Walker end of the season.

We will do much better than last year and will have a very good side next year.

 

[globaleagle]

The Salary Cap concession seems to have a few flaws to it.

Whilst we may be granted 400k as a concession for example, if we were to sign a player what happens if Walker is found not guilty in May and comes back in to the squad accordingly? With him back and a new signing would we not then likely be over the cap?

That's been asked quite a few times around this and other threads, and I don't think the nrl even know what to do about it. (Well thought out isn't it?)

It's also strange that Todd keeps saying that he doesn't want to punish clubs and fans for bad player behaviour. This was why the eels got a big reduction in fines, and why even uncle nick said you can't punish clubs by standing down players long term without cap relief.

But as others have said, how does standing down a player, pleading innocent, for 3 months, not hurting the team or fans?

As you and others have asked:

When do we get cap relief?
Who is out there to sign?
What happens to the cap if the player is found not guilty?
What if we get cap relief but the club just can't afford to outlay big wads of cash for a new player if they find one?

How on earth is this not hurting clubs and fans?

I watch test matches, SOO, and Manly games; and I know exactly the reason why I don't bother with anything else.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Is it though? Take a cross section of any group of several hundred young blokes, say FIFO miners and I'm sure you would have about the exact same amount of incidences. The NRL is at the mercy of and therefore owned by the media

This is what grates. Greenberg's actions are not motivated by concern for victims of rape or domestic violence. They are about bowing to the media backers of NRL who don't want bad publicity to affect ratings for their game show.

The NRL must have a code of conduct, that is reasonable. My job has one.

If there is a line drawn about automatic stand-downs for serious charges, I'll accept that [although the '11 years' appears totally arbitrary, I can't think of any offence with a maximum penalty of 11 years. Probably a simpler criterion would simply be to say any strictly indictable charge, which is any charge too serious for Local court)

The unacceptable part is Greenberg being handed total power to make inconsistent decisions about players facing less serious charges. Greenberg? The bloke who selectively gives character references in court to certain favoured players?? What on earth is the point of having an 'Integrity Unit' if they aren't allowed to make decisions about things like that.

As for Walker's case - he is part way through defending a case. Yes the allegation is serious enough for him to be deregistered and sacked if guilty, I don't cavil with that. But even the prosecution's own witness has testified under oath that he didn't do it. So far nothing is proved in relation to Walker's case (despite the claims from some of our posters to the contrary). At the end of the case the magistrate will make a finding about what actually occurred - but no findings at all have been made so far. If this is not an example of a case that should be left to run its course in local court then I don't know what is.

Yet another example of knee-jerk policy change on the run without thinking through the consequences.

 

[globaleagle]

This is what grates. Greenberg's actions are not motivated by concern for victims of rape or domestic violence. They are about bowing to the media backers of NRL who don't want bad publicity to affect ratings for their game show.

The NRL must have a code of conduct, that is reasonable. My job has one.

If there is a line drawn about automatic stand-downs for serious charges, I'll accept that [although the '11 years' appears totally arbitrary, I can't think of any offence with a maximum penalty of 11 years. Probably a simpler criterion would simply be to say any strictly indictable charge, which is any charge too serious for Local court)

The unacceptable part is Greenberg being handed total power to make inconsistent decisions about players facing less serious charges. Greenberg? The bloke who gives character references in court to certain favoured players?? What on earth is the point of having an 'Integrity Unit' if they aren't allowed to make decisions about things like that.

As for Walker's case - he is part way through defending a case. Yes the allegation is serious enough for him to be deregistered and sacked if guilty, I don't cavil with that. But even the prosecution's own witness has testified under oath that he didn't do it. So far nothing is proved in relation to Walker's case (despite the claims from some of our posters to the contrary). At the end of the case the magistrate will make a finding about what actually occurred - but no findings at all have been made so far. If this is not an example of a case that should be left to run its course in local court then I don't know what is.

Yet another example of knee-jerk policy change on the run without thinking through the consequences.

I wish I heard the rlpa boss prendergast (?) say something like that other than... aww, it's mean and we don't liiiiike it.

 

[winnyason]

Got to say little pissed with situation and as usual greenberg reacting to anything bad. I mean last year all of a sudden the ref crackdown stopped when a media frenzy started.
Dylan needs to bloody grow up he a father, husband to be and needs to simply get his **** together. I can't see he be re signed given the way it may rail road our season. The only geniune centre around is jennings who is on stupid contract with parra.
I hope to whoever tommy fit round 1. I say we line up garrick and parker in centres with jorge and suli taking the wing spot.

 

[BOZO]

Got to say little pissed with situation and as usual greenberg reacting to anything bad. I mean last year all of a sudden the ref crackdown stopped when a media frenzy started.
Dylan needs to bloody grow up he a father, husband to be and needs to simply get his **** together. I can't see he be re signed given the way it may rail road our season. The only geniune centre around is jennings who is on stupid contract with parra.
I hope to whoever tommy fit round 1. I say we line up garrick and parker in centres with jorge and suli taking the wing spot.

The trial game against the cocks tonight will be live on NRL.com for those that cannot make the trip to Gosford .
It will be interesting how all our other young backs and forwards go . There might be some surprise selections

 

[winnyason]

The trial game against the cocks tonight will be live on NRL.com for those that cannot make the trip to Gosford .
It will be interesting how all our other young backs and forwards go . There might be some surprise selections

Thanks i have a look

 

[BOZO]

Thanks i have a look

It is free all you need to do is to register . Your email address and create a pass word .

 

[Eagles2nv]

Is it though? Take a cross section of any group of several hundred young blokes, say FIFO miners and I'm sure you would have about the exact same amount of incidences. The NRL is at the mercy of and therefore owned by the media

You're right. My brother and best mate both work in construction and they tell me it's a completely different world from the professional services world we live in. Basically every week someone ends up in some sort of indescretion.

But your point about the media is just that. The DT are not following around construction workers drinking at a pub and posting to national media if one passes out drunk.

In the end NRL is as much a commercialised advertising and merchandising product as it is sports entertainment. It means it has to leverage media for survival and growth, and with that comes exposure risks.

Any other company that had multiple public indescrestions would be sacking people quick smart or taking a big shareholder value dump.

Of course it doesn't help that the Turd and his mates are killing the administration.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I wish I heard the rlpa boss prendergast (?) say something like that other than... aww, it's mean and we don't liiiiike it.

Yes.

 

[Eagles2nv]

So what your telling me is that NRL HQ are ^#ucking us over for the first 11 games, so on top of last years bull%hite we have this on top. Salary cap reduction of $1mil (effectively) against most of the other clubs? Any odds where we'll be at round 11 - 2 or 3 wins from 11?

They are never going to do us any favours mate. It's Manly vs the NRL.

In this case though, Walkers stupidity is the reason we are in this place, so he needs some of the blame.

It's just the Turd loves doing what he can to screw us.

 

[Budgie]

You're right. My brother and best mate both work in construction and they tell me it's a completely different world from the professional services world we live in. Basically every week someone ends up in some sort of indescretion.

Aha! That's why renovations always run months late!!

 

[Dan]

You're right. My brother and best mate both work in construction and they tell me it's a completely different world from the professional services world we live in. Basically every week someone ends up in some sort of indescretion.

But your point about the media is just that. The DT are not following around construction workers drinking at a pub and posting to national media if one passes out drunk.

In the end NRL is as much a commercialised advertising and merchandising product as it is sports entertainment. It means it has to leverage media for survival and growth, and with that comes exposure risks.

Any other company that had multiple public indescrestions would be sacking people quick smart or taking a big shareholder value dump.

Of course it doesn't help that the Turd and his mates are killing the administration.

Not if you own your brand properly. The NRL are horrible brand managers and only make it worse with this sort of rubbish

 

[yokahontas]

Was he sacked for taking the prescription drugs? If that is it hardly the crime of the century, to me his onfield carry on and the latest incident is more concern. He was punted to make salary cap room at the end of the day.

He was punted after that incident, yeah. But it’s more the fact he was punted and Gray wasn’t - I reckon that indicates they were fed up with Walker specifically. Who knows how many other incidents they bailed him out of or kept under wraps before it got to that point?

And to me, taking a load of prescription drugs for kicks, on an idle weeknight watching movies at home - that’s far more of a red flag than guys taking party drugs on a night out, or drinking to excess in the same sort of party environment. That’s straying into some problematic substance abuse territory, for mine.

 

[Go manly]

Is it though? Take a cross section of any group of several hundred young blokes, say FIFO miners and I'm sure you would have about the exact same amount of incidences. The NRL is at the mercy of and therefore owned by the media

Spot on
It is not just a league problem
It is not a male problem alone
It is a reflection of standards and Teflon throw away disposable values and standards
I want everything today

 

[manly al]

Irrespective of the legal technicalities or due process perspectives , just would have seemed untenable to allow De Belin to be still playing in the approaching season with the seriousness level and nature of his alleged actions . While of course inconsistency and general hypocrisy is par for the course for this present N R L regime , really had to apply some type of similar criteria to Walker and Napa as well , although the Bolton ruling is a bit on the farcical side . The bringing the game into disrepute clause [ or ambiguous clause ] and as others have alluded to ,, is also an all encompassing and convenient fall back position for the N R L when things get unfavorable for them . Hope that it can still work out for Walker and his family and Manly "s sake and if then he can get back to being a competitive and serious footy player . Handy outside back Tom Opacic is on the bench for the Cowboys trial tonight Chase Blair can also play full back i think . Yet to be determined how any short or maybe even longer term replacements can be accommodated if Walker is out indefinitely but probably need at least one quality and seasoned N R L outside back to compensate for him .

 

[HappilyManly]

1)
The 11+ year minimum sentence guideline is due to the crime of Affray being a 10 year max sentence.

As the charge of Affray is often brought by Police, the NRL would have had no players left if Greenturd's rule was based on 10+ possible sentence.

Even Wolfie was once charged with affray when he stood between Horo and a drunk. The Judge threw out the charge but it took 3 months to actually be heard in front of a Judge.

2)
The Cap Exemption sounds like it is just that for the seasons that the charged player is in the legal process of defence.

Walker's 3 months income is probably 150k, so if Greenturd allows, Manly can be over the Cap this year by 150k and over the 30 man roster by 1.

I don't see the ability to use the 150k as upgraded contract value without adding a new player to the roster.

Then again, Greenturd has not issued a written guideline for this new procedure 😎

Conceivably DeBelin's case will overlap 2 Seasons. Drags will need to keep him on their books whilst his contract is in effect.

What happens to a player like Walker whose contract finishes in the year of suspension but whose sentencing exceeds his contract expiry

NRL have gone off on a tangent to change the narrative by Season launch 😕

 

[Woodsie]

Because Bolton's case was decided last year according to

Nappa is the only victim here. He didn't release the vision and what he did is not illegal either

Chee Kam assaulted a male driver so he dodges both the 11 year rule and the discretionary clause 😎

Sydney Uni will soon be offering a post graduate course on Greenturdism ... "making sense of the senseless"

 

[globaleagle]

A question for you more legally minded ...

If Manly are Walkers employers .... won't they have a duty of care or obligation to protect him from any "illegal" assault on his employment ... eg, arbituary


Sydney Uni will soon be offereing a post graduate course on Greenturdism ... "making sense of the senseless"

Penalty Broncos

 

[HappilyManly]

A question for you more legally minded ...

If Manly are Walkers employers .... won't they have a duty of care or obligation to protect him from any "illegal" assault on his employment ... eg, arbituary


Sydney Uni will soon be offereing a post graduate course on Greenturdism ... "making sense of the senseless"

The player contracts already include 'code of conduct' clause (like all contracts I had) so Manly/NRL are covered on an individual case.

But I believe that a lawyer who wants to raise his profile will pop up and challenge the new interpretations on behalf of the RLPA.

This matter is just beginning to be another thorn in the NRL's management practices