Trump

[lsz]

I simply disagreed & replied to what he said - In what world is that whatabouting? I don’t think you actually know what that means you just throw it around in complete wrong context when you don’t think the argument is going in your favour.

I don’t care about the excuse of a stutter - that’s been played out plenty. How about we focus on the facts? The facts are it’s officially been released that the White House & media were covering for Sleepy Joe during his downfall as President. FACT

I am not sure how much of a FACT it is - happy to read some reporting if you have it.

Now what are your thoughts on some of the trump carry on? Without referencing anyone else that is

 

[lsz]

The Biden/autopen coverup is up there with the greatest political scandals in history, but gets barely any coverage from those so-called bastions of journalistic integrity the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC etc. Woodward and Bernstein are haled as leftist heroes for uncovering watergate, but the silence on Autopen speaks volumes for the politicisation of supposed independent journalism across the western world.

Enlighten me what is the grand conspiracy that you talk about

 

[lsz]

Only 16% of Australians think that Trump’s second term has been good for Australia so far.

The 16% includes a select few Silvertails who cheer on his every move with glee, it seems.

But why? I strongly suspect it's because they see Trump as anti-woke, and it's as simple as that. If so, just admit it, don't be so shy.

I'm not often in the majority but in this case I am because I fail to see how it's a plus for Australia to have the world's richest country (and our most powerful ally) ruled by a would-be dictator who is not only corrupt and unpredictable but (and this worse) is tearing down every institution of democracy to cement his rule, relegating women to the kitchen and childbearing, encouraging white nationalism, Islamopobia, and all forms of racism, and increasing the wealth gap in his own country and the world.

Good luck explaining to me how Trump is good for Australia, that's a tough one.

You never know I mean look at how great he has been for Argentina (and their farmers...)

 

[Adz]

You never know I mean look at how great he has been for Argentina (and their farmers...)

Yep,and now his commie farmer supporter base facing bankruptcy want a handout and the commie president Trump is considering giving some of his tariff money to them......
If only they had someone to help work on their farms...oh,wait.....
Some of his supporters are calling for young people to have to do a year working on the farms,sort of sounds like Stalinist Russia......

 

[lsz]

Yep,and now his commie farmer supporter base facing bankruptcy want a handout and the commie president Trump is considering giving some of his tariff money to them......
If only they had someone to help work on their farms...oh,wait.....
Some of his supporters are calling for young people to have to do a year working on the farms,sort of sounds like Stalinist Russia......

From the tariff shelf? Or the 18 billion in investment?

 

[Ohgeez]

I don't disagree he was increasingly less competent towards the backend - who knows, maybe his advisors felt he was indeed incompetent.

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just to correct this it’s not ‘maybe’. It’s 100% fact. Id suggest reading Jake Tapper’s book about it if you enjoy reading

 

[Adz]

From the tariff shelf? Or the 18 billion in investment?

He is on record as wanting to use his big,beautiful tariff money.

 

[h27272727]

just to correct this it’s not ‘maybe’. It’s 100% fact. Id suggest reading Jake Tapper’s book about it if you enjoy reading

I have yet to see why this detail is relevant either way. I don't really have an interest in learning about something already fairly universally agreed upon (perhaps not w.r.t the extent).

As I mentioned, decline was evident in videos comparing his speeches over the years. It was a sudden change indicating something such as a stroke. Now if he had a stroke or whatever that doesn't necessarily mean he's guaranteed to be a vegetable (in spite of declined verbal capacity). But as I expanded on - even if he was a vegetable they got by just fine without him because the US govt had a heavily bureaucratic system (you dont need a good CEO for a company to run well)

What was the consequence?

 

[Ohgeez]

I am not sure how much of a FACT it is - happy to read some reporting if you have it.

Now what are your thoughts on some of the trump carry on? Without referencing anyone else that is

Wow you seem to keep up to date with everything Trump but somehow didn’t hear about the cover up?? That’s hard to believe.
Do yourself a favour & buy a book that was number 1 seller about it called ‘original sin’ written by CNN journalist Jake Tapper. Or you can search it on google & get a quick run down

Asking thoughts on Trump when I’ve been making a clear point about Biden is classic whataboutism from you BTW 🤣🤣. Don’t try sidetrack - stick to the point we are discussing which is me educating you on Sleepy Joe’s cover up

 

[Adz]

I just hope none of the farmers hurt themselves having to do their own labour as the big,beautiful cuts for the billionaires will be coming from cuts to Medicaid etc....
Even worse that most of his supporter base come from a lot of states in the lower socio economic level and when the hospitals lose funding and the help for medical aid is reduced and their insurance rates which will double next year make healthcare even more unaffordable really bite....but it is all good,giving help is just communism....
Even Margie (MGT) is starting to question him and she was one of the most rabid supporters.Sort of funny as her constituents are one of the ones who will be hit.

 

[Ohgeez]

As I mentioned, an noteworthy decline was evident in videos comparing his speeches over the years. It was a sudden change indicating something such as a stroke. Now if he had a stroke or whatever that doesn't necessarily mean he's guaranteed to be a vegetable (in spite of declined verbal capacity). But as I expanded on - even if he was a vegetable they got by just fine without him because the US govt was a bureaucratic system (you dont need a good CEO for a company to run well)

What was the consequence?

What are the consequences? How about the billions of dollars worth of military equipment he gave the taliban due to his disgraceful pull out of Afghanistan?

Another consequence that’s springs to mind is the tens of thousands that died from Murder, Drug overdose & trafficking from his disgraceful border. This is probably the biggest reason Trump won - but sure there were no consequences…

Just 2 examples that came to me straight away, I’m sure if you search on google you could find many other failures

 

[Brookie1973]

Isn't the most telling thing of all the fact that in america now it's illegal to be openly anti-fascist?

It’s a good thing ANTIFA doesn’t exist then, so no one needs to worry.

 

[Brookie1973]

Oh you can't decipher sarcasm. This piece of information may actually explain a lot.

Ill copy/paste the main part again.

"Interesting you extend this idea beyond America. Anyone that disagrees with the modern state of the USA is a leftie."​

Actually, out of curiosity, do you believe the earth is a sphere or a flat plate?

Sorry, I still have no idea what you are talking about. I said the booing doesn’t necessarily mean they are booing trump or whoever. Maybe they are just booing based on good old fashion Aussie patriotism. Who knows if they are left or right. What I said was it’s sad and desperate for the usual suspects to use this to validate their extreme TDS. Hope that clarifies that for you.

As to sphere or flat plate, it’s neither. It’s an oblate spheroid.

 

[Brookie1973]

Lol,people complaining about someone bringing up issues about Trump that were in the past and not current,and then those same people bringing up Biden.....FFS.
Thy name is hypocrisy.....

The whole Biden discussion came from Manlyfan76 claiming Trump was the most illiterate president in history. Biden was put forward as an obvious example to disprove that argument. Does that make sense for everyone now? It’s pretty straight forward.

 

[Brookie1973]

Enlighten me what is the grand conspiracy that you talk about

Biden didn’t know what planet he was on. Someone else was running the country and used an autopen to grant pardons to all and sundry. The mainstream press couldn’t care less. Surprised Aaron rupar and “call to activism” haven’t covered this.

 

[lsz]

Wow you seem to keep up to date with everything Trump but somehow didn’t hear about the cover up?? That’s hard to believe.
Do yourself a favour & buy a book that was number 1 seller about it called ‘original sin’ written by CNN journalist Jake Tapper. Or you can search it on google & get a quick run down

Asking thoughts on Trump when I’ve been making a clear point about Biden is classic whataboutism from you BTW 🤣🤣. Don’t try sidetrack - stick to the point we are discussing which is me educating you on Sleepy Joe’s cover up

I mean I have said many times there are legit questions to be asked about Biden....so I will say it again. There are questions to be asked however that was not the start of my point rather how Trump carries on a daily basis

 

[Adz]

The whole Biden discussion came from Manlyfan76 claiming Trump was the most illiterate president in history. Biden was put forward as an obvious example to disprove that argument. Does that make sense for everyone now? It’s pretty straight forward.

Nice,but you missed the point, don't bitch about something and then do exactly what you bitch about,pretty straight forward,hope that helps.....

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Oh you can't decipher sarcasm. This piece of information may actually explain a lot.

Ill copy/paste the main part again.

"Interesting you extend this idea beyond America. Anyone that disagrees with the modern state of the USA is a leftie."​

Actually, out of curiosity, do you believe the earth is a sphere or a flat plate?

Neither. The earth is actually more banana shaped than it is flat or spherical.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Lol,people complaining about someone bringing up issues about Trump that were in the past and not current,and then those same people bringing up Biden.....FFS.
Thy name is hypocrisy.....

It's a bit different though. Biden is the last Democrat President. Therefore he is the best and closest guy people have to compare Trump with. The old article posted by @47MVEagle was a poor attempt at portraying Trump as doing something illegal in this Presidential term. 47 then made an obvious play to cover his tracks which was called out by @Ohgeez pointing out how he was spamming up this thread.

His attempted concealment was a major flop. Kind of like a Disney movie starring Jared Leto.

 

[h27272727]

What are the consequences? How about the billions of dollars worth of military equipment he gave the taliban due to his disgraceful pull out of Afghanistan?

Another consequence that’s springs to mind is the tens of thousands that died from Murder, Drug overdose & trafficking from his disgraceful border. This is probably the biggest reason Trump won - but sure there were no consequences…

Just 2 examples that came to me straight away, I’m sure if you search on google you could find many other failures

Parts indented are from articles.
On the Afghanistan withdrawal, you may be surprised to find that it was a Trump decision (brief summary of the history; first 2 links):

President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all US troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss.​

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As part of the United States–Taliban deal, the Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US forces from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a complete withdrawal by 1 May 2021, if the Taliban kept its commitments.​

Unfortunate they leave the Taliban in control, but leaving Afghanistan was something I view as a net positive. Given Trump's recent comments, however, it appears it may have just been a stunt to try get Biden's presidency off to a rocky start. Regardless the whole Afghanistan ordeal was a mess worth ending, they'd caused enough disorder. Despite having no healthcare system the reality is that US don't give two ****s about wasted $$ as long as the military industrial complex is involved. Money is in war; tech gets wasted, then people get paid to remake them... Stimulates the economy unfortunately.

On drugs, the unspoken issue is US consumer demand, mental health and their third-world healthcare system. Still, minimising drug transmission over the border is all well and good as a concept. But what exactly is the true scale of the problem (Bondi/Trump/Fox rhetoric aside)? Border security against what exactly? Tunnels? Cars with Mexicans? Trucks? Mexicans on foot? What is the data on this? In a very brief look I have already come across a study that starts to poke holes in what is being portrayed. From 2019-2024 US citizens accounted for 81.2% of fentanyl-smuggling arrests at border entry points. It is a topic I will eventually read more into.

According to an analysis of nearly 700 U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) press releases from January 2021 to March 2024, just 10 smuggling incidents occurred between ports of entry when migrants were stopped on foot or fentanyl was found abandoned. In contrast, 519 entered the U.S. via ports of entry.​

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There is little evidence to suggest migrants are bringing fentanyl across the border on foot—or that migration is linked to fentanyl at all. Migration has risen and fallen with no correlation between drug seizures.​

Transnational criminal organizations tend to use U.S. citizens for fentanyl smuggling because they attract the least amount of attention at the border, often disguising themselves as ordinary travelers.​

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Data obtained through the Freedom of Information Act found that most people arrested for smuggling fentanyl at ports of entry are U.S. citizens, accounting for 81.2% of all seizures along the southwest border from fiscal years 2019 to June 2024.The majority of fentanyl is brought in through passenger vehicles. Again, criminal networks prefer to use passenger vehicles driven by U.S. citizens, traveling through ports of entry, because it draws the least amount of scrutiny at the border.​

I know Trump, Bondi and Fox also build their image around stopping "illegal aliens from raping and murdering" citizens. But in a country with such a huge gun and homicide problem, it would be shocking if illegal immigrants accounted for any great proportion. I will look at statistics on this too one day, but given this administrations track record; odds are they again deceiving people like yourself from the more substantial factors.