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[47MVEagle]

Man, @Brookie1973 is just a troll, he obviously doesn't know WTF is actually going on in the US but swallows everything he reads on his pro-Trump news sites hook, line & sinker!

 

[Brookie1973]

I like polls. Seeing as though we now like them as well

How popular is Donald Trump?

Silver Bulletin approval ratings for President Trump — and all presidents since Truman.

www.natesilver.net

"Yesterday, Donald Trump’s net approval rating hit -10.3 after a flurry of poll releases. That’s not quite a new low because Trump’s approval rating also dropped to -10.3 on July 22nd, but still, it’s about as unpopular as Trump 2.0 has been thus far. "

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?

news.gallup.com

Where Trump is at 40% lower than anything Biden had (although to be fair not as low as his first term)

Or this one?

Donald Trump’s approval rating

Follow our presidential approval rating poll tracker to see how favourably Americans view Mr Trump

www.economist.com

I like how this one shows how on all the major issues (inflation, Jobs / economy, health care, immigration and even crime) he has gone from positive to negative approval since the start of the year

MSN

 

[Brookie1973]

Hate to break it to you but the GOP controls all three branches of the US government...

This might help you to understand how things work.

MSN

 

[47MVEagle]

 

[lsz]

Man, @Brookie1973 is just a troll, he obviously doesn't know WTF is actually going on in the US but swallows everything he reads on his pro-Trump news sites hook, line & sinker!

There is no point in engaging with him as is evidenced over this thread.

Post a clip from a new source...it is fake news. Post a number of sources...I am not going to click on those links.

Post clip from fox...ignore that.

 

[47MVEagle]

There is no point in engaging with him as is evidenced over this thread.

Post a clip from a new source...it is fake news. Post a number of sources...I am not going to click on those links.

Post clip from fox...ignore that.

Not to mention his very convenient catchphrase "Orange man bad" he uses to discredit any source of criticism of Trump, meanwhile he operates under the "Democrats bad" function.

Absolute troll or, even worse, a genuine Trump supporter.

 

[Brookie1973]

There is no point in engaging with him as is evidenced over this thread.

Post a clip from a new source...it is fake news. Post a number of sources...I am not going to click on those links.

Post clip from fox...ignore that.

Perhaps instead of personally attacking other posters, you should reflect on whether your frustration stems from the fact you are so anti Trump that you cannot abide anyone having a contrary view.

If you are so interested in thoughtful engagement, why haven’t you answered the question I posed to you in post #1,264, which was a direct response to your post #1,251? Instead of engaging on that topic, you proceeded to post various unrelated anti-Trump clips and two more posts criticising me for not engaging.

Presumably the back and forth between myself and h27272727 over the past several pages is not engagement to you, given I was putting forth views you disagreed with.

 

[Eagle 1]

You need to stop bringing facts to a bias fight…..nothing ever changes as people who say we should be “open minded” are only open minded when it suits their view
(I do like reading your posts though)

Would you agree to this.
Before another dollar is spent, there should be a royal commission into Australia's Climate agenda so that every document is made public for general scrutiny, particularly the cost to taxpayers which even now, Labor has refused to release.
If the doomsters arguments stack up, what could they possibly have to fear from the truth.

 

[47MVEagle]

Would you agree to this.
Before another dollar is spent, there should be a royal commission into Australia's Climate agenda so that every document is made public for general scrutiny, particularly the cost to taxpayers which even now, Labor has refused to release.
If the doomsters arguments stack up, what could they possibly have to fear from the truth.

So basically, every time someone who hasn't bothered to do their own research into climate change hints at it being a big conspiracy, a royal commission should be held?

What a massive waste of tax payers dollars.

How about the people who claim it's bullsh1t fund their own studies to disprove it?

 

[47MVEagle]

@Eagle 1 here's some links for your information on climate change specific to Australia:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212094723000750?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://meridian.allenpress.com/jcr/article/36/5/915/441297/Updated-Mean-Sea-Level-Analysis-Australia?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Journal Papers

 

[Eagle 1]

So basically, every time someone who hasn't bothered to do their own research into climate change hints at it being a big conspiracy, a royal commission should be held?

What a massive waste of tax payers dollars.

How about the people who claim it's bullsh1t fund their own studies to disprove it?

So I gather it's a "no" from you then.

 

[lsz]

Would you agree to this.
Before another dollar is spent, there should be a royal commission into Australia's Climate agenda so that every document is made public for general scrutiny, particularly the cost to taxpayers which even now, Labor has refused to release.
If the doomsters arguments stack up, what could they possibly have to fear from the truth.

Sorry what would the Royal Commission be into?

The science? Is that what we are arguing about?

I think there is a valid conversation on how you balance taking action in Australia to address a global problem when there are potential (and I say potential) short falls, especially when some of the larger polluters are not taking action.

Much like most things that have potential for generational impact I would love to see a local bipartisan approach rather than cheap point scoring (from both sides)...I know I am dreaming over this one

 

[lsz]

Perhaps instead of personally attacking other posters, you should reflect on whether your frustration stems from the fact you are so anti Trump that you cannot abide anyone having a contrary view.

If you are so interested in thoughtful engagement, why haven’t you answered the question I posed to you in post #1,264, which was a direct response to your post #1,251? Instead of engaging on that topic, you proceeded to post various unrelated anti-Trump clips and two more posts criticising me for not engaging.

Presumably the back and forth between myself and h27272727 over the past several pages is not engagement to you, given I was putting forth views you disagreed with.

Engaging with you is pointless.

Quote whatever you like

 

[h27272727]

This response starts with a falsehood in the very first sentence. I never said the scientific community was close-minded, just the climate science community. What’s different about the climate science community? Politics and money.

The rest is just more pushback about someone daring to suggest climate science should be more receptive to open debate and discussion. Clearly you don’t appreciate the irony.

No, you are being delusional (or are being deluded) w.r.t this topic.

The fact you won’t even read the sources you discredit is criminal.

And have you ever worked alongside climate scientists? Close relative? Maybe you should go sign up to be the work experience kid for a week and get a real idea of the people you are demonising. $ argument is totally unjustified and quite wild given the only real reason for resenting them is to protect the $$$ fossil fuel industry

If you plan to talk the theory down, you absolutely need to read the original papers, look at the history, etc before you come to conclusions. If you think that is unreasonable, the it’s the former, rather than the latter w.r.t that opening sentence.

 

[h27272727]

Where do you get your info from? It's so wrong it's funny!

The Democrats refused to accept Trump withdrawing health care benefits to the bulk of Americans.

Are you good with Trump wanting to do that?

How about you read some impartial news sites for a change?

The information comes to him more often than not. I would love to see the search terms used to find this crap from

 

[h27272727]

You need to stop bringing facts to a bias fight…..nothing ever changes as people who say we should be “open minded” are only open minded when it suits their view
(I do like reading your posts though)

Oh unfortunately I’m well aware.

Lately (minus my somewhat regrettable last post) I’ve been trying to just stick to the facts and not make it personal in any way; even then I know we’re still stuck at the stage where they (or at least Brooksie in my experience) aren’t truly engaging with the subject matter or seriously reflecting on why they stand where they do. It’s all or nothing; black and white, trust your sources and ignore others

One thing I’ve learned is that throwing their attitude back at them only makes them double down on their general distrust/disgust more. I will still try avoid it for this reason. As for brooksie, well I may continue to struggle with him at times, but I will still hold out hope that we can have more meaningful discussions down the line

It is tricky to navigate because a lot of these ideas being introduced do stem from the MAGA-right.They are inflammatory, (sometimes) paranoid, always pervasive, generally anti-establishment, anti-science. It doesn’t get us off to the best start, that’s for sure

Non-political topics are also being politicised too often, which irks me. I find the Autism, trans, climate topics have no place in politics (Trump / MAGA have successfully politicised them though)

I do question why I want to keep trying to engage with people with similar attitudes to Brooksie. I ultimately I think it would be a good result that - if nothing else - they at least somewhat start to question the social media environment they are surrounded by. I certainly would like to help get across that “independent thinking” does not mean purely rejecting popular ideas. I don’t think they should totally “switch sides” or even totally reject their beliefs, but they can only benefit from learning to be a bit more reasoned and multi-layered

This issue at this point in time is that they are still preoccupied with the idea rather than the details. It is pretty hard to not lash out when the guy responds to an hour long post within seconds with basically no acknowledgment of any of the content

 

[h27272727]

Found an absolute gem of a Fox News video. The damage and misinformation caused by that organisation is unreal. Their brain rot, sensationalisation, abrasiveness and disease spewed out in the US and it’s wild to see their incessant talking points crop up by the MAGA on this very site too.

Aus media can be dull and lazy, it can have certain agendas - but I will forever be thankful we don’t have a Fox News actively stirring the pot, cultivating a victim complex and bringing the country undone in the name of views and politics

All built on the phrase “but we tell the other side of the story” - pretty much a narrative said by anyone with cult-like following

 

[lsz]

Oh unfortunately I’m well aware.

Lately (minus my somewhat regrettable last post) I’ve been trying to just stick to the facts and not make it personal in any way; even then I know we’re still stuck at the stage where they (or at least Brooksie in my experience) aren’t truly engaging with the subject matter or seriously reflecting on why they stand where they do. It’s all or nothing; black and white, trust your sources and ignore others

One thing I’ve learned is that throwing their attitude back at them only makes them double down on their general distrust/disgust more. I will still try avoid it for this reason. As for brooksie, well I may continue to struggle with him at times, but I will still hold out hope that we can have more meaningful discussions down the line

It is tricky to navigate because a lot of these ideas being introduced do stem from the MAGA-right.They are inflammatory, (sometimes) paranoid, always pervasive, generally anti-establishment, anti-science. It doesn’t get us off to the best start, that’s for sure

Non-political topics are also being politicised too often, which irks me. I find the Autism, trans, climate topics have no place in politics (Trump / MAGA have successfully politicised them though)

I do question why I want to keep trying to engage with people with similar attitudes to Brooksie. I ultimately I think it would be a good result that - if nothing else - they at least somewhat start to question the social media environment they are surrounded by. I certainly would like to help get across that “independent thinking” does not mean purely rejecting popular ideas. I don’t think they should totally “switch sides” or even totally reject their beliefs, but they can only benefit from learning to be a bit more reasoned and multi-layered

This issue at this point in time is that they are still preoccupied with the idea rather than the details. It is pretty hard to not lash out when the guy responds to an hour long post within seconds with basically no acknowledgment of any of the content

I saw this and thought of you straight away (which could be concerning!)

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[lsz]

Also wonder why even when there might times Trump is telling the truth he has eroded that? Here is another example from today

From 2024 when he was trying to get elected

And then from today

As always I am not sure if this is him being a troll to distract from the shutdown, maybe to remind donors who helped him with the election (for the upcoming midterms) or he just does not care / remember what he lied about in the past.

 

[Adz]

Also wonder why even when there might times Trump is telling the truth he has eroded that? Here is another example from today

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From 2024 when he was trying to get elected

And then from today

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As always I am not sure if this is him being a troll to distract from the shutdown, maybe to remind donors who helped him with the election (for the upcoming midterms) or he just does not care / remember what he lied about in the past.

I don't think he or his supporters care about the lies,he is on record saying that any gov. shutdown is the president's fault and due to weak leadership.Now it is all the democrats fault(yes,I know they want some concessions for health etc...),but the Republicans won't negotiate and even Vance is claiming (lies) that the Dems want free health care for illegal immigrants and won't negotiate with the govt.