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Everyone understands he was there as a government representative just like the Abbott gov sent someone (a minister) previously?
Think that it would have been more on an individual basis or in some lobbyist capacity .
Australian Gov had some junior diplomacy reps there , the Ambassador , conveniently visiting another part of China
But yeah , apparently 10 years ago ,the then Coalition govt had an actual minister attend a similar event
Raised some eyebrows when Dan Andrews attended a more select gathering but guess it would be up to him to state his reasons for that
 
Wasn't Andrews known as Emporer Dan, certainly didn't look out of place in Xi's gettogther.
What a little Commie worm that grub is. An absolute corrupt traitor who happens to be great mates with Anthony (let me flood yours cities with immigrants) Albanese. Bob Carr too, but at least he pretended to miss the parade. All Labour, all weak mean, all corrupt, all traitors.
 
Yep not great just like when Michael Ronaldson went. There is an argument that you need to attend things like this but I generally am not a fan of retired pollies making money from their connections etc
Making money while hanging out with some of the worst mass murdering dictators on earth. The guy is a creep and probably one of the most bent politicians this country has seen. His criminality surpasses Bob Carr, Neville Wran and Joh Bjelke-Petersen. The fact he chose to be photographed with a collection of dictators who are plotting to destroy our way of life is nothing short of treasonous.

My Grandfather and Grandmother (nurse) destroyed their lives fighting in WW2. Their sacrifice, like many others who did the same is the reason we experience the freedoms and lifestyle we do. Or what remains of them at least. Forget your liberal/labour bias for a moment and call it out for what it is. A betrayal to every Australian by an ex politician whose career is littered with cover ups, corruption, overreach and secrecy. He deserves to be in a jail cell, and one day he will face justice.
 
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Making money while hanging out with some of the worst mass murdering dictators on earth. The guy is a creep and probably one of the most bent politicians this country has seen. His criminality surpasses Bob Carr, Neville Wran and Joh Bjelke-Petersen. The fact he chose to be photographed with a collection of dictators who are plotting to destroy our way of life is nothing short of treasonous.

My Grandfather and Grandmother (nurse) destroyed their lives fighting in WW2. Their sacrifice, like many others who did the same is the reason we experience the freedoms and lifestyle we do. Or what remains of them at least. Forget your liberal/labour bias for a moment and call it out for what it is. A betrayal to every Australian by an ex politician whose career is littered with cover ups, corruption, overreach and secrecy. He deserves to be in a jail cell, and one day he will face justice.
Excuse my ignorance what was his criminality? Is there something he has been charged with etc?
 
Excuse my ignorance what was his criminality? Is there something he has been charged with etc?
If you are so naive to think he is clean, then you can't be helped. No different to the Trump fans denying the corrupted deeds of his past. You left/right fan boys are unreachable.

Trump, Andrews, Biden, Albanese, Morrison, they laugh at you guys. Knowing that in the end it wont matter what they do, you all hold fast to whatever crap they spew out. Swing voters is where it's at. Those rare individuals who pledge allegiance to what seems right rather than a blue or red sticker. Looking for a semblance of truth and liberty in a political world full of lies and broken promises.

Sure thing @lsz Dan Andrews is a stand up guy.
 
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If you are so naive to think he is clean, then you can't be helped. No different to the Trump fans denying the corrupted deeds of his past. You left/right fan boys are unreachable.

Trump, Andrews, Biden, Albanese, Morrison, they laugh at you guys. Knowing that in the end it wont matter what they do, you all hold fast to whatever crap they spew out. Swing voters is where it's at. Those rare individuals who pledge allegiance to what seems right rather than a blue or red sticker. Looking for a semblance of truth and liberty in a political world full of lies and broken promises.

Sure thing @lsz Dan Andrews is a stand up guy.
I realise that you are now banned but all I asked for was some form of proof? I do feel for you if that is your level of response
 
Once again, a sobering insight by Trump into rampant violent crimes by violent illegal s in mainly Democrat controlled cities.
Repeat offender (14 times) released by a Democrat judge who wasn’t required to pass the bar exam. Odd that it hasn’t been more widely covered by the “impartial” press given the victim was a Ukrainian refugee. A cynic might suggest it doesn’t suit a political narrative, but not me.
 
I'm going to be back for a short stint again after the Charlie Kirk event brought the US back to my focus.

By this stage im over the whole debating online thing. My assumption coming in was that MAGA was some form of a reactionary cult. Curiosity lured me here initially; I wondered the reasons why some Australian's jumped aboard. Unfortunately, my patience wore thin. However, things continue to escalate and develop over there that keep bringing me back. When I don't understand your conclusions, I will instead ask questions rather than try convince you of what I think and why. My previous approach was unhelpful. For this post, I will recap some observations I made in the past and touch on a Fox News clip I came across today to see where you stand on it.

In the past I often pointed out the increased use of violent rhetoric including terms such as 'radical left', 'extremists', 'illegal aliens', 'enemies' etc. It started with Trump and right-wing media in the first term. The rise in violent rhetoric culminated in the unprecedented January 6 riots at the end of that period. Simultaneously, far-right influencers were becoming pertinent online. By 2024, there were a large crop of Christian nationalists online pushing for theocratic style ideas and others focused on demonising minority groups (trans people, gay people, muslims). By 2025, Trump has rapidly begun repealing rights across the US and his rhetoric is far more authoritarian in nature. While Charlie Kirk did not deserve violence by any stretch of the imagination, I appreciate the irony that that he was shot while demonising trans people.

There has been quite a substantial difference in how the administration responded to Kirk's assassination (demonising the left before knowing anything about the killer's politics or motives) compared to that of Melissa Hortman. Hortman was assassinated in her home some months ago along with her husband and pet Labrador (killed by a verified right-wing extremist).

My primary argument all those months ago was that the irrationalism and division being sowed by Trump and right-wing media is reckless. Chances are that both Kirk and Hortman's killers were mentally ill and bolstered by small echo-chambers online. Rather than deescalate, Trump propogates the noise. Having a few left and right become radical in this environment is inevitible and unfortunate. Although I believe it is almost by design with Trump's approach.

1. Do you feel that the use of 'they', 'the radical left' etc. is reckless or justified in hindsight?
2. If justified can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion and is it only a left-wing problem in your view?
3. If so, what is the underlying cause? And do you perceive it as a collaborative effort or a select few individuals acting on their own volition?

Just today I came across a fox news snippet which struck me as 'not normal'. While initially discussing some understandable concerns with the homeless the first host soon conflated them with the mentally ill. He then teetered with the idea of 'locking them all up in jails' (homeless + mentally ill). But the reason I thought to come back to Silvertails was the followup comment. 50 seconds into the clip the 2nd host butted in to say "or involentary lethal injection, or something... just kill them". While not a spokesperson for Trump, such desensitisation in popular media resembles that held in Germany society during the late 1930's. Their first targets were the homeless, immigrants and the mentally ill; actioned by a paramilitary group that answer only to the leader. All those ingredients are there in the US and I think it is a real concern.

3. Do you think it is overreacting to draw parallels between modern US and Nazi Germany
4. If so, where do you draw the line?

 
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