Trump

[h27272727]

Mate, if you believe Washington DC is a safe place, fair enough. Good for you. I suspect the average US voter would have a different perspective on crime and which party is best placed to deal with it.

FYI, repeated posturing is not the flex you think it is. Perhaps in a moment of self reflection, you might consider how much “anger”, “vitriol” and “self righteousness” there has been in some of your recent posts. Take care

Well first off we're on the internet - all things considered we're still on the more civil side of things (particularly for a MAGA / non-MAGA debate).

Stop pretending you're some innocent saint.

You know from some of my earliest posts in this thread this whole anti-expert/anti-science/anti-stats thing is where I draw the line. You can call it posturing if you like - but at the end of the day it is reckless to spread misinformation online and to try drag others into your bubble. Sure, you can point out potential biases, flawed methods / reasoning - what you're doing is much different.

If you want to go there; the definition of self-righteous: having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior
* It is it far more self-righteous to insist you know better than all professionals not hand selected by Trump (they're all evil-intentioned/immoral). * No matter the topic you're never out of your depth... You've repeatedly demonstrated that the only key to your sense of truth is political affiliation.

In previous topics you discredited economists, scientists, statisticians. Today you're back at it with the statisticians (suddenly YOU know that DC data has been faked since...? What, the last 30 years? During Trump's first term too? Meanwhile half of the Republican states that have gleefully taken over DC's police force feature substantially higher rates. In other words, DC would have to have been underreporting its violent crime rates by a factor of 2-3 for the past few decades for it to be a crisis (relative to other US states). You know why they're doing it...

Everything about that style of messaging really hits a nerve with me. Always will.

As addressed ages back, first step to undoing a society is turning enough people against STEM scientists, engineers, doctors, mathematicians and statisticians to discredit critical thought. Once that's acheived, foundation is there for freedom to be stripped from everyone except groups favoured by the party in power. US has already crossed over that point. You're actively trying to contribute to it here in Australia. Sharpen up; you'll run out of money if you keep paying for all these Trump™ subscriptions;

Trumps DoJ investigation into DC crime stats ™ (decades of historical data wrong !)​

Trumps DoE climate report ™ (decades of science wrong !)​

Trumps Tariff scheme ™ (trust me bro, I know how they work ! definitely not a government income tax scheme ! not inflationary, foundational economic theory wrong !)​

Trumps big beautiful bill ™ (Never promised to keep his hands off medicaid! what kind of society should offer healthcare anyways?? cut billy's autism home-support program to help give poor billionaires their well-earned tax cut!)​

Trumps Ukraine started the war history lesson pack ™​

Trumps EpsteinWhoCares weekly magazine ™ (Trump will release the epstein files ! ... uh sorry, I meant they don't exist ? ... who cares if he's a pedo even if hes in them?? ... oh no actually we'll get them to you after we finish cleaning them up and arrest those filthy Democrats !)​

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(cringed re-reading that but that's what happens when you write Trump/MAGA-style)​

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Well first off we're on the internet - all things considered we're still on the more civil side of things (particularly for a MAGA / non-MAGA debate).

Stop pretending you're some innocent saint.

You know from some of my earliest posts in this thread this whole anti-expert/anti-science/anti-stats thing is where I draw the line. You can call it posturing if you like - but at the end of the day it is reckless to spread misinformation online and to try drag others into your bubble. Sure, you can point out potential biases, flawed methods / reasoning - what you're doing is much different.

If you want to go there; the definition of self-righteous: having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior
* It is it far more self-righteous to insist you know better than all professionals not hand selected by Trump (they're all evil-intentioned/immoral). * No matter the topic you're never out of your depth... You've repeatedly demonstrated that the only key to your sense of truth is political affiliation.

In previous topics you discredited economists, scientists, statisticians. Today you're back at it with the statisticians (suddenly YOU know that DC data has been faked since...? What, the last 30 years? During Trump's first term too? Meanwhile half of the Republican states that have gleefully taken over DC's police force feature substantially higher rates. In other words, DC would have to have been underreporting its violent crime rates by a factor of 2-3 for the past few decades for it to be a crisis (relative to other US states). You know why they're doing it...

Everything about that style of messaging really hits a nerve with me. Always will.

As addressed ages back, first step to undoing a society is turning enough people against STEM scientists, engineers, doctors, mathematicians and statisticians to discredit critical thought. Once that's acheived, foundation is there for freedom to be stripped from everyone except groups favoured by the party in power. US has already crossed over that point. You're actively trying to contribute to it here in Australia. Sharpen up; you'll run out of money if you keep paying for all these Trump™ subscriptions;

Trumps DoJ investigation into DC crime stats ™ (decades of historical data wrong !)​

Trumps DoE climate report ™ (decades of science wrong !)​

Trumps Tariff scheme ™ (trust me bro, I know how they work ! definitely not a government income tax scheme ! not inflationary, foundational economic theory wrong !)​

Trumps big beautiful bill ™ (Never promised to keep his hands off medicaid! what kind of society should offer healthcare anyways?? cut billy's autism home-support program to help give poor billionaires their well-earned tax cut!)​

Trumps Ukraine started the war history lesson pack ™​

Trumps EpsteinWhoCares weekly magazine ™ (Trump will release the epstein files ! ... uh sorry, I meant they don't exist ? ... who cares if he's a pedo even if hes in them?? ... oh no actually we'll get them to you after we finish cleaning them up and arrest those filthy Democrats !)​

​

(cringed re-reading that but that's what happens when you write Trump/MAGA-style)​

Mate armed will all these compelling facts it’s hard to understand how the democrats lost the last election spending 1billion$ on the campaign and having the vast majority of media support especially in the social media space. The mind boggles on how he ( trump) still managed to win the popular vote? In my time it’s one of the most amazing election victories I have ever witnessed and I have not yet mentioned all the court cases, assignation attempts etc… truly amazing stuff.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Mate armed will all these compelling facts it’s hard to understand how the democrats lost the last election

Are you assuming that critics of Trump are fans of the american Democrat party?
For me, the rank failure of the Democrats is the reason Trump (the war hero) was elected twice.
Dems (and of course also the traditional republicans) have consistently pretended the corrupt system does not give over power and wealth to a tiny tiny tiny minority. Americans are now seeing through that, they no longer believe them!
Trump conned working class Americans into believing he will fix this by ripping up the constitution and claiming absolute power as a popular leader. Isn't it as simple as that?
Except he won't fix it, he is making it worse

 

[Brookie1973]

Mate armed will all these compelling facts it’s hard to understand how the democrats lost the last election spending 1billion$ on the campaign and having the vast majority of media support especially in the social media space. The mind boggles on how he ( trump) still managed to win the popular vote? In my time it’s one of the most amazing election victories I have ever witnessed and I have not yet mentioned all the court cases, assignation attempts etc… truly amazing stuff.

They will just say it’s because all the Trump supporters are uneducated and uninformed, because that is what CNN tells them to think. They can’t see that their faux moral and intellectual superiority complex is the very reason they are in the minority. A President elected with an overwhelming majority is somehow a threat to democracy, but assassination attempts, attacking ICE agents, mass media bias and weaponising the justice and intelligence departments is not. That’s all legitimate resistance to a dictator.

 

[Brookie1973]

Well first off we're on the internet - all things considered we're still on the more civil side of things (particularly for a MAGA / non-MAGA debate).

Stop pretending you're some innocent saint.

You know from some of my earliest posts in this thread this whole anti-expert/anti-science/anti-stats thing is where I draw the line. You can call it posturing if you like - but at the end of the day it is reckless to spread misinformation online and to try drag others into your bubble. Sure, you can point out potential biases, flawed methods / reasoning - what you're doing is much different.

If you want to go there; the definition of self-righteous: having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior
* It is it far more self-righteous to insist you know better than all professionals not hand selected by Trump (they're all evil-intentioned/immoral). * No matter the topic you're never out of your depth... You've repeatedly demonstrated that the only key to your sense of truth is political affiliation.

In previous topics you discredited economists, scientists, statisticians. Today you're back at it with the statisticians (suddenly YOU know that DC data has been faked since...? What, the last 30 years? During Trump's first term too? Meanwhile half of the Republican states that have gleefully taken over DC's police force feature substantially higher rates. In other words, DC would have to have been underreporting its violent crime rates by a factor of 2-3 for the past few decades for it to be a crisis (relative to other US states). You know why they're doing it...

Everything about that style of messaging really hits a nerve with me. Always will.

As addressed ages back, first step to undoing a society is turning enough people against STEM scientists, engineers, doctors, mathematicians and statisticians to discredit critical thought. Once that's acheived, foundation is there for freedom to be stripped from everyone except groups favoured by the party in power. US has already crossed over that point. You're actively trying to contribute to it here in Australia. Sharpen up; you'll run out of money if you keep paying for all these Trump™ subscriptions;

Trumps DoJ investigation into DC crime stats ™ (decades of historical data wrong !)​

Trumps DoE climate report ™ (decades of science wrong !)​

Trumps Tariff scheme ™ (trust me bro, I know how they work ! definitely not a government income tax scheme ! not inflationary, foundational economic theory wrong !)​

Trumps big beautiful bill ™ (Never promised to keep his hands off medicaid! what kind of society should offer healthcare anyways?? cut billy's autism home-support program to help give poor billionaires their well-earned tax cut!)​

Trumps Ukraine started the war history lesson pack ™​

Trumps EpsteinWhoCares weekly magazine ™ (Trump will release the epstein files ! ... uh sorry, I meant they don't exist ? ... who cares if he's a pedo even if hes in them?? ... oh no actually we'll get them to you after we finish cleaning them up and arrest those filthy Democrats !)​

​

(cringed re-reading that but that's what happens when you write Trump/MAGA-style)​

Thanks for all that. Most neutral observers would say that most American cities are not as safe as they could be, but again, if you think otherwise, good for you. Take care.