Tommy T Injured - usa bound

[jbb/james]

Last season we were pantsed everywhere. Every week a new way to lose the ball, give it away and look amateur.



I would love to see the effeciency in our kicking game if they have worked out how to rank them. not metres . We have so little momentum in our kickgame. 5 rucks, chuck the ball back 15 m , kick flat footed with everyone offside, except for possibly the fullback. We waste the equivalent of up to 2 rucks each set of 6 due to this tactic.

no kick pressure attacking or defending

Turbo being overused is a pretty familiar call on here . Injecting him in space rather than asking him to make space, makes manly a much better side.

jake when playing prop was able to bring him into the game but as link man trundling accross field , he doesnt offer the running threat to keep defenders on edge so that inside ball to tom just disappeared

look at tommy, foran, game breakers who take the ball to the line fearlessly and there injuries . its no coincidence

 

[Will on the hill]

Last season we were pantsed everywhere. Every week a new way to lose the ball, give it away and look amateur.



I would love to see the effeciency in our kicking game if they have worked out how to rank them. not metres . We have so little momentum in our kickgame. 5 rucks, chuck the ball back 15 m , kick flat footed with everyone offside, except for possibly the fullback. We waste the equivalent of up to 2 rucks each set of 6 due to this tactic.

no kick pressure attacking or defending

Turbo being overused is a pretty familiar call on here . Injecting him in space rather than asking him to make space, makes manly a much better side.

jake when playing prop was able to bring him into the game but as link man trundling accross field , he doesnt offer the running threat to keep defenders on edge so that inside ball to tom just disappeared

look at tommy, foran, game breakers who take the ball to the line fearlessly and there injuries . its no coincidence

A common thread with Des and his ball playing forwards is that they start like a house on fire then all the clubs figure out it's the go to play and it becomes predictable.

Credit to Des he was a pioneer of the strategy but it was overused. The best exponents of it today are Yeo, Murray and Radley and it only works when it's balanced, they must threaten to run into space before the pass becomes effective.

Not sure Jake has the speed/mobility to play the role in the unpredictable manner that makes it effective. I hope I'm wrong but Jake best serves the team at prop.

 

[EaglesDontTweet]

‘Don’t shift him’: Trbojevic’s reconditioning specialist wades into centre debate​

Adrian Proszenko​

February 2, 2023 — 7.55pm

Of all the opinions in the debate about whether Tom Trbojevic should move positions - or perhaps even clubs - the one that matters most comes from 16,000km away.

Speaking from his home in Philadelphia, reconditioning specialist to the stars Bill Knowles has run the rule over Trbojevic’s gammy hammys and reckons the Manly fullback should stay put.

“No, I don’t think the position has anything to do with it,” Knowles told the Herald.
“He’s been in that position for years. If he was a centre in rugby union and then said ‘I want to be a prop’, that would be impossible because it’s not the right body type and situation.

“In his case, he doesn’t have the wrong body type or anything like that. I don’t think it’s the position.
“He does high-speed running, sometimes more than other athletes and players in his team in different positions. It’s just about the body developing the robustness over time to deal with it.
“He’s been struck down multiple times, on both sides. Is he predisposed to this? It’s the million-dollar question.”

Indeed, Trbojevic is the million-dollar Ferrari that has been garaged too often for Manly’s liking. Which is why they sent their most precious asset to Knowles, whose client list includes Tiger Woods, Alex Rodriguez, Andy Murray, Peyton Manning and Jonny Wilkinson.

More recently Knowles has become the go-to guy to fix broken NRL stars. After just two weeks with Knowles midway through last year, Latrell Mitchell returned to his devastating best and appears to no longer be hampered by his own ongoing hamstring complaints.

It’s why the Storm sent Ryan Papenhuyzen to Knowles to help his recovery from a fractured kneecap and why Trbojevic’s immediate future is also linked to the renowned rehabilitation specialist.

Full story here - link:

‘Don’t shift him’: Trbojevic’s reconditioning specialist wades into centre debate

Bill Knowles, the go-to guy for the NRL’s broken stars, has urged Manly to have faith in Tom Trbojevic’s ability to continue at fullback this season.

www.smh.com.au

 

[The '47ers]

Why Manly's season rests on Tom Trbojevic's ability to 'own the ground'

Tom Trbojevic has returned from America with a new method to manage his troublesome hamstrings and a career at the crossroads.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Captain Moondog]

Time for a reality check: What if we’ve seen the best of Tom Trbojevic?​

By Andrew Webster​

February 3, 2023 — 5.47am

The first rule of Manly is there is no Manly. Actually, wait … that’s Fight Club.
The first rule of Manly is don’t pick a fight with Zorba yet here Anthony Seibold was, slamming former player Peter Peters this week for his “uneducated” views about perennially injured fullback Tom Trbojevic.
In January, Peters told Sky Sports Radio: “I think it’s a business decision. He may have to take an early retirement if it keeps going.”
On Tuesday, Seibold told a media conference: “I think it’s easy to make comments like that, but I don’t think it was an educated comment.”

Why Seibold would bite so hard on Peters’ rather prosaic remarks is a matter for him, but it exposes his naivety about the politics that swirl around his club.
Peters, who never said Trbojevic should be released, is entitled to his opinion and it’s an opinion that echoes many Sea Eagles fans - all rugby league fans for that matter - who fear they may never see the 26-year-old realise his potential.
Trbojevic returned from a stint with US movement guru Bill Knowles armed with a new style of running, but the frightening reality is his body may never allow him to play the football that secured NSW the Origin series in 2020 and the man himself the Dally M Medal in 2021.
Trbojevic has suffered no less than six hamstring tears of various grades since he started playing in the NRL, along with a score of ankle, shoulder and pectoral injuries, some of which have required surgery.

Platoons of doctors, surgeons and bio-mechanists have run an eye over him and you sense the dash to Philadelphia to see Knowles was the last throw of the dice.
High-performance types thrive on having their own peculiar vernacular and Knowles has told Trbojevic to “own the ground”.
What this precisely means is unclear, although one high-performance expert I spoke to described it thus: “Being strong through your entire kinetic chain, encapsulating your lower limbs, pelvis and spine so you can absorb energy from the ground and transfer this energy moving forward in space without risk of injury to your tissues [muscles, tendons and joints and ligaments] absorbing and transferring this energy.”
Think about that next time you go for a run.
Roosters legend Anthony Minichiello’s career was almost trashed by back injuries, forcing him to change his entire approach to movement, recovery and especially food.
“But I never felt as powerful as I ever did after my first back operation,” he admits. “But that means you have to build other strengths into your game. The harder you work at it, the more that fades away.”
Minichiello advises Trbojevic to introduce bone broth and collagen into his daily intake to promote connective tissue strength. He insists neither of these can be found in schooners of Resch’s......(bull****, nothing wrong with a couple of silver bullets after breakfast)
It’s understandable that Seibold wants to defend Trbojevic. We get that. We all want a fully fit Turbo.
But when your side relies so heavily on one player, and that player chews up so much of the salary cap, and that player has played just 121 matches in eight seasons, people have every right to raise questions about his longevity and value — even Zorba.
I’m sure it will be on Seibold’s mind in round one against the Bulldogs when five-eighth Matt Burton launches a spiralling bomb and Trbojevic is standing.

 

[jbb/james]

The problem with tom Is the snowball affect. He lights up the backline. He creates doubt and opportunities. He makes DCE look better and he makes opposition nervous

we kind if have to decide a few things.
can we keep him based on the fact that he is our only real trigger to success
or do we need to strengthen the side to give him different opps and rely less

a consistent top 6 side could threaten every time turbo was about
but without tom we are rudderless, lack leadership in attackand are nowhere near a top 6 side

so is tom to be our silver bullett however random. But if we let tom go or retire we need to rebuild the whole spine really because replacing turbo with teddy still makes us mid level

hopefully the new coaches will addres the lack of basic game nouse and awareness may get us a bit closer but Fter watching us play it feels like we might be trying to slam a squre peg in a round hole

des was des but i dont think he stopped players from doing the basics, more likehe didnt seem to have consequences, its was more attitude and lack of professionalism than des

 

[BOZO]

Time for a reality check: What if we’ve seen the best of Tom Trbojevic?​

By Andrew Webster​

February 3, 2023 — 5.47am

The first rule of Manly is there is no Manly. Actually, wait … that’s Fight Club.
The first rule of Manly is don’t pick a fight with Zorba yet here Anthony Seibold was, slamming former player Peter Peters this week for his “uneducated” views about perennially injured fullback Tom Trbojevic.
In January, Peters told Sky Sports Radio: “I think it’s a business decision. He may have to take an early retirement if it keeps going.”
On Tuesday, Seibold told a media conference: “I think it’s easy to make comments like that, but I don’t think it was an educated comment.”

Why Seibold would bite so hard on Peters’ rather prosaic remarks is a matter for him, but it exposes his naivety about the politics that swirl around his club.
Peters, who never said Trbojevic should be released, is entitled to his opinion and it’s an opinion that echoes many Sea Eagles fans - all rugby league fans for that matter - who fear they may never see the 26-year-old realise his potential.
Trbojevic returned from a stint with US movement guru Bill Knowles armed with a new style of running, but the frightening reality is his body may never allow him to play the football that secured NSW the Origin series in 2020 and the man himself the Dally M Medal in 2021.
Trbojevic has suffered no less than six hamstring tears of various grades since he started playing in the NRL, along with a score of ankle, shoulder and pectoral injuries, some of which have required surgery.

Platoons of doctors, surgeons and bio-mechanists have run an eye over him and you sense the dash to Philadelphia to see Knowles was the last throw of the dice.
High-performance types thrive on having their own peculiar vernacular and Knowles has told Trbojevic to “own the ground”.
What this precisely means is unclear, although one high-performance expert I spoke to described it thus: “Being strong through your entire kinetic chain, encapsulating your lower limbs, pelvis and spine so you can absorb energy from the ground and transfer this energy moving forward in space without risk of injury to your tissues [muscles, tendons and joints and ligaments] absorbing and transferring this energy.”
Think about that next time you go for a run.
Roosters legend Anthony Minichiello’s career was almost trashed by back injuries, forcing him to change his entire approach to movement, recovery and especially food.
“But I never felt as powerful as I ever did after my first back operation,” he admits. “But that means you have to build other strengths into your game. The harder you work at it, the more that fades away.”
Minichiello advises Trbojevic to introduce bone broth and collagen into his daily intake to promote connective tissue strength. He insists neither of these can be found in schooners of Resch’s......(bull****, nothing wrong with a couple of silver bullets after breakfast)
It’s understandable that Seibold wants to defend Trbojevic. We get that. We all want a fully fit Turbo.
But when your side relies so heavily on one player, and that player chews up so much of the salary cap, and that player has played just 121 matches in eight seasons, people have every right to raise questions about his longevity and value — even Zorba.
I’m sure it will be on Seibold’s mind in round one against the Bulldogs when five-eighth Matt Burton launches a spiralling bomb and Trbojevic is standing.

There is a lot of rubbish in the Media but Andrew Websters article is a very rational one

 

[BOZO]

When we take some ones opinion personal we give them power of the matter and also show our insecurities

I think Seibold should have said , Peter Peters is entitled to his views and we are entitled to ours. End of subject .

This would have made Peter Peters views so much less relevant and would avoided the unnecessary headlines

 

[Mitch]

I'm very confident we have not seen the best of Tom, or more so he can maintain what we have seen from him.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

I liked Siebold's response. No body is beyond challenge. He didn't raise it either he was pressed about it by the Journos. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

 

[Brookie Bob]

Manly don’t need to move Turbo’s position – but they do need to change his role to save him from himself

Tom Trbojevic is sticking at fullback for Manly - but they need to use him better to avoid injuries and maximise his value.

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Will on the hill]

I liked Siebold's response. No body is beyond challenge. He didn't raise it either he was pressed about it by the Journos. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

I liked it but perhaps he didn't need to say "uneducated". Could've just disagreed and moved on.

 

[40 nil]

uneducated

I think the meaning Seibold intended was 'uninformed' (which is true as outsiders don't know all the details surrounding Turbo's injuries or health). If 'uninformed' had been used, maybe Peters wouldn't have had such an aggressive reaction.

 

[Disco]

I think the meaning Seibold intended was 'uninformed' (which is true as outsiders don't know all the details surrounding Turbo's injuries or health). If 'uninformed' had been used, maybe Peters wouldn't have had such an aggressive reaction.

Yeah thats how I took it, and I didnt get the bite back originally.

 

[Kalvin]

I think the meaning Seibold intended was 'uninformed' (which is true as outsiders don't know all the details surrounding Turbo's injuries or health). If 'uninformed' had been used, maybe Peters wouldn't have had such an aggressive reaction.

As a player that's what you want... your coach sticking up for you/ backing you publicly

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

At what stage of his career was Zorba a 'Manly great'?

At a similar stage to when Rudd, Abbott and Morrison thought they were great prime ministers.

 

[jbb/james]

Keirn Foran

best half in the game pretty much until injuries. Big contracts unfulfilled, then we get him in the 300’s and he outplays million dollar halves. Buy of the year

now imagine the dogs or the eels get tommy cheap in 2 years ,he has a good run and ices there cake

tom has everything, very few do. it can slow down , but unless he retires we need to negotiate a better contract possibly but we should look at that then, not now FFS

as for zorba if his contract was up , the talk could be justified but getting treatment in the offseason and under a big contract its hardly the time, with kick off around the corner

at least with that he has made a distinction
he is a journalist and doesnt really have manly at heart,

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

From the SMH:

Time for a reality check: What if we’ve seen the best of Tom Trbojevic?

Anthony Seibold scorched Peter Peters for raising a relevant question about the Manly fullback.

www.smh.com.au

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

There is a lot of rubbish in the Media but Andrew Websters article is a very rational one

I have to disagree. Its a poorly written and basic story at best. So much of what's written today is just regurgitated quotes and some crappy magic dust sprinkled on top.

What did he actually tell us? That seibold shouldn't have got involved? That 'many' manly fans feel the same way as the White Ant PP? That Tommy may never be top shelf again?

Webster appeared to need to protect and praise PP and his comments both at the top of the article and bottom. Perhaps a brothers in arms thing being substandard out of touch hacks?

His best insight was 'Turbo may NEVER' be the same player. Well only time will tell on that one don't you think? He came back pretty well in 2021 from the shower hammy and there is every chance Tommy will do a Latrell and kick on this year.

On the flipside the Bill Knowles article from above was full of new insights and quotes. Well written and very informative.

The difference between the 2 articles was night and day.

 

[Once Was Brissie Kid]

There was also Jorgen "Yogi" Rogers, who came over from NZ played one game and never seen in first grade again

Yogi's one game highlights in Rd 1. Even took the kickoff. His covering tackles at fullback however...