Tom Waterhouse is a Goose

[Rex]

Gov'ts are there to set the ground rules.

They make us wear seat belts, drive on the left side of the road, and put restrictions on promotion of cigarettes.

This is no different. The landscape has changed, the gov't needs to. Pretty simple really.

 

[Joey]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/-2gddh.html

SMH this morning.............in Sydney

The gambling reform committee is considering claims that sports fans are having live odds ''rammed down their throats'', as one senator, Nick Xenophon, put it and whether commentators should be allowed to spruik for gambling companies.

Are they seriously having a senate committee to amongst other things determine whether "Waterhouse fits the definition of commentator or specialist gambling representative" well F**k me dead

Many of these corporate bookmakers ban anybody who has any sort of signifigant win - eg anybody who bets thoughtfully or systematically etc. They profile their customers. Bookmakers want small to medium gamblers who bet on habits & pose no threat to them. It seems from the outside Waterhouse "plan" is to specifically target the less sophisticated and less educated punter who may bet with his heart more than his head...and NRL is his chosen vehicle for some "easy money".

I have been banned by Manly's very own sponsor in Centrebet for the above reasons you mention (last straw for them was when I was laughing all the way to the bank after they couldn't handle my win on the Reds vs the Crusaders 2 seasons ago) pricks, the quicker we get another company to replace them on our jersey the better.

 

[ayjay007]

I like a bet or 2.Horses,greyhounds,trotters,jockey challenge,footy.I opened a Sportsbet NT account when we got a free bet with openeing an account with our memebership a few years ago.Nothing will stop me betting,if I want to.Nothing will convince me to bet if I don't want to.It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY!!!!! Maybe if we had some more of that,we wouldn't have my taxes wasted on MORE government intervention in our lives!!

Sorry,off topic.If Tom has stepped out of the shadows of his corrupt father and grandfather,and his motor mouthed mother,and is making a quid on his own,then good luck to him.I,personally,don't,and wouldn't bet with him.

 

[Napper]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/-2gddh.html

SMH this morning.............in Sydney

The gambling reform committee is considering claims that sports fans are having live odds ''rammed down their throats'', as one senator, Nick Xenophon, put it and whether commentators should be allowed to spruik for gambling companies.

Are they seriously having a senate committee to amongst other things determine whether "Waterhouse fits the definition of commentator or specialist gambling representative" well F**k me dead

Many of these corporate bookmakers ban anybody who has any sort of signifigant win - eg anybody who bets thoughtfully or systematically etc. They profile their customers. Bookmakers want small to medium gamblers who bet on habits & pose no threat to them. It seems from the outside Waterhouse "plan" is to specifically target the less sophisticated and less educated punter who may bet with his heart more than his head...and NRL is his chosen vehicle for some "easy money".

I have been banned by Manly's very own sponsor in Centrebet for the above reasons you mention (last straw for them was when I was laughing all the way to the bank after they couldn't handle my win on the Reds vs the Crusaders 2 seasons ago) pricks, the quicker we get another company to replace them on our jersey the better.

That's insane! I planned on using Centrebet instrad of the TAB. Do you mind me asking what sort of win got you banned?

 

[globaleagle]

Bookmaker Tom Waterhouse will be called to attend a specially convened parliamentary hearing into the spread of gambling into live sporting broadcasts.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/waterhouse-to-face-gambling-inquiry-20130326-2gs9r.html#ixzz2OfI9O5RG

 

[Slide]

So what can we do? Couple of suggestions...

1. Not use or visit Waterhouse products.
2. Write an email to Channel Nine ([email protected]) and tell them what you think of gambling promotions on their league broadcasts.

Thanks weev. Email sent.

Just to follow up, should anyone wish to provide feedback to Nine about their advertising/NRL broadcast etc; the email above won't actually do the trick as it is for "ninemsn," not the TV station.

The following link will take you to the body that provides accountability to the stations:
http://www.freetv.com.au/Content_Common/OnlineComplaintStep1.aspx

It took 3 minutes for me to fill out the online form. Your other options are to phone Nine in your capital city or to mail a letter directly to the station but they don't do email. PM me if you'd like the address &/or phone numbers.

 

[Dan]

I'm still to put a bet on Rugby League ever. I just don't get the punting thing, it's totally not my go. I write down my multi's every few weeks as if I were betting but I have yet to win one 🙂

 

[bob dylan]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

I have 3 close friends who have never worked a "conventional job" in their lives and 5 others who havent worked for many years.

They dont ever go to the track, they stay home and bet mainly on the TABs. They dont bet with Tom ****house, Centrebet or Bet365 etc because those corporates bar anyone who wins.

These guys are very successful, 1 in particular purchased an expensive house recently funded for his TAB account and employs staff.

Just curious and i am in no way judging your views.

BTW I opened a Betfair account in 2007 with an initial $500 deposit, never added a cent and make 3 or 4 withdrawals a year. I find gambling to be a great tax free supplement to my income. My job is very insecure at the moment but I am fairly confident I too I could pay the bills from punting if my job does go.

 

[manlyfan76]

I have an issue with poker machines. Having worked it that industry on and off for 15 years, a massive percentage of problem gamblers play pokies as part or all of their gambling habit. One issue with Internet or phone gambling is when alcohol is involved. There is no one to tell you you are too drunk and should stop as you might get if betting at a tab or pub tab.

 

[Dan]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

I have 3 close friends who have never worked a "conventional job" in their lives and 5 others who havent worked for many years.

They dont ever go to the track, they stay home and bet mainly on the TABs. They dont bet with Tom ****house, Centrebet or Bet365 etc because those corporates bar anyone who wins.

These guys are very successful, 1 in particular purchased an expensive house recently funded for his TAB account and employs staff.

Just curious and i am in no way judging your views.

BTW I opened a Betfair account in 2007 with an initial $500 deposit, never added a cent and make 3 or 4 withdrawals a year. I find gambling to be a great tax free supplement to my income. My job is very insecure at the moment but I am fairly confident I too I could pay the bills from punting if my job does go.

I have no issue with it, if you are good at it then go for it. I just don't have the money to spare to bet like that, nor the skill or time to be able to. If I had the time and skill jeez i think it would be a bloody good lifestyle.

It is when it gets out of control and causes issues with families and friends and people bet beyond their means that I have an issue with it

 

[The Who]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

I have 3 close friends who have never worked a "conventional job" in their lives and 5 others who havent worked for many years.

They dont ever go to the track, they stay home and bet mainly on the TABs. They dont bet with Tom ****house, Centrebet or Bet365 etc because those corporates bar anyone who wins.

These guys are very successful, 1 in particular purchased an expensive house recently funded for his TAB account and employs staff.

Just curious and i am in no way judging your views.

BTW I opened a Betfair account in 2007 with an initial $500 deposit, never added a cent and make 3 or 4 withdrawals a year. I find gambling to be a great tax free supplement to my income. My job is very insecure at the moment but I am fairly confident I too I could pay the bills from punting if my job does go.

My take on gambling is this: Horse racing, trots, and greyhounds were created for gambling. Other sports were developed for the enjoyment of players and spectators. The Govt should not endorse nor allow advertising or promotion on 'legitimate' sports.
Simplistic, I know, and probably not achieveable given the Govt's reliance on gambling revenue. But for me, gambling, takes the luster off legitimate sport and also leads to corruption.

 

[manlyfan76]

You are not allowed to advertise gambling in G rated programmes, but the govt. made an acception for sport. Why would they do that? So the Tom waterhouses of the world can make mo money.

 

[Dan]

You are not allowed to advertise gambling in G rated programmes, but the govt. made an acception for sport. Why would they do that? So the Tom waterhouses of the world can make mo money.

And the government in turn make further money from taxes

 

[manlyfan76]

You are not allowed to advertise gambling in G rated programmes, but the govt. made an acception for sport. Why would they do that? So the Tom waterhouses of the world can make mo money.

And the government in turn make further money from taxes

And by making it seem normal to kids it goes on and on.

 

[Chip and Chase]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

I have 3 close friends who have never worked a "conventional job" in their lives and 5 others who havent worked for many years.

They dont ever go to the track, they stay home and bet mainly on the TABs. They dont bet with Tom ****house, Centrebet or Bet365 etc because those corporates bar anyone who wins.

These guys are very successful, 1 in particular purchased an expensive house recently funded for his TAB account and employs staff.

Just curious and i am in no way judging your views.

BTW I opened a Betfair account in 2007 with an initial $500 deposit, never added a cent and make 3 or 4 withdrawals a year. I find gambling to be a great tax free supplement to my income. My job is very insecure at the moment but I am fairly confident I too I could pay the bills from punting if my job does go.

I don't have a problem with that at all. However the thing I find about punters in general is that you only ever hear about their wins, never their losses. If you have the time and money then I'm sure you could make a living from it if your turnover is large enough. You may be able to get a slight advantage "over" the odds with what you perceive is your knowledge of the game, however these bookies are writing odds based on complex algorithms that more or less guarantee their return. For every winner there is a loser, the bookie rarely exposes their position such that stand to make a large loss on any given outcome. I've never heard of a bookie going broke, but I have heard of plenty of punters (big and small) who have gone bust.

Read this story, this guy is the gun. A maths whizz who is emotionally uninvested in his bets and simply playing the odds from a pure probability perspective.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/taxman-targets-the-king-of-punters-zeljko-ranogajec/story-fn59nsif-1226229779154

 

[Stevo]

My mum doesn't blame beer companies or channel 9cause I'm a drunk

 

[Slide]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

I have 3 close friends who have never worked a "conventional job" in their lives and 5 others who havent worked for many years.

Just curious and i am in no way judging your views.

Thanks Mr Dylan, I have my own feelings & boundaries re gambling, & I'm happy to have a discussion either by PM or in one of the other forum areas.

Since this is in the footy forum & is about the coverage of NRL on TV, I think it's worth discussing the level of advertising during programs, whether gambling is an appropriate source of income during a G-rated time slot/s (& yes I'm a parent; I understand the argument about parents being responsible for teaching their kids, this discussion has already covered that); and then to circulate an avenue for anyone who wishes to give feedback through the appropriate channels (thanks weev for the initial contact).

For me, the level of advertising by Munsie in 2012 was past my boundaries of what was ok during a sports telecast so I dealt with it in house - left the room if necessary, had a chat with my kids about gambling issues, hit the mute button or browsed silvertails while the odds were being telecast. We live in a democracy & if enough people felt last year's advertising levels DURING the telecast (not ad breaks) was ok or not, the message would filter through & I could manage watching the footy around interruptions.

This year has gone so much further, so after a couple of weeks I decided to have a word to Channel 9 about it. They can take it or leave it. It seems as though some others here were ok with the way things are but some weren't so I posted the link to give feedback if anyone wished to.

That's about as far as the footy related stuff goes I think. I'd like to watch games ad-free but I accept the user has to pay and for free to air that means sitting through sponsors pitches. If, say McDonalds wished to put a commentator in the box to push their product and hold a discussion during the post match commentary about the benefits of their product I would just as likely be up in arms about it. If the sponsor was a product which I AM interested in then I would appreciate the blending of two of my interests, but accept it if the majority decided "American Trombone Quartets of the 20th Century" didn't belong inside an NRL program.

 

[Dan]

I think the in depth incorporation of tom waterhouse is far beyond ridiculous, it clearly has nothing to do with football and should not be broadcast the way it is. They place it as a legitimate part of the event when it's just a sponsor with a very fat finger in the pie.

Its annoying and takes away from the game itself

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

As a point of interest do you guys who look down on gambling have an opinion on several of my friends who bet for a living.

Your mates are simply taking advantage of an economic system that is inherently inequitable and unjust. Just as the bookies themselves are.

What gives gambling a bad name is the obvious fact that much of the bookies' splendid profits come from working class battlers, including those who can't afford to lose but are hooked.

If Tom paid $50mil to Channel 9 so he can specifically target rugby league fans, that says plenty about where he sees the easy returns waiting.

 

[Stevo]

Just been reported Tom Waterhouse must be clearly defined as a bookmaker on future broadcasts. He can't use a ch9 microphone, can't commentate on the game and can't sit on the commentators panel.

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