Three players set to be targeted by ASADA over use of banned peptide CJC-1295

[firechild]

Even when a Player is charged, the charge has to be proven in a Court of Law, then a possible Appeal process must elapse.

No, this is not a criminal case, it is not handled through the regular legal system. It is a matter for WADA/ASADA and will be handled though a tribunal and evidence must simply meet their requirements which may or may not include proof beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[Brissie Kid]

Even when a Player is charged, the charge has to be proven in a Court of Law, then a possible Appeal process must elapse.

So no short term standing downs possible by the NRL.

Must be why ASADA just wants those with weak will to take the 6 months and save them the time and cost of a trial.

Hard to imagine a testosterone riddled person falling on his sword though.
If they were egotistical enough to take banned substances in contravention of their Club's directives, why would they give a flying f..ck about their Team now :huh:

Except that media, politicians and sponsors all exist in this mix as well. They each bring their own pressures to any situation.

The NRL is also in a bind. Presumably no player in 2013 is stupid enough to be doping so all 16 teams are currently clean. But if any group of players in one 2013 team is found or accepts guilt during this season for instances in a past season what are the NRL going to do to punish the club? If they do a Storm cap thing to them and don't let them earn points, all the teams that lost to them earlier in the season will spew.

It's a mess.

With salary cap rorting you can at least demonstrate how a club got an advantage by building a stronger roster & using it. But so far there's not any evidence from ASADA or WADA that any of the particular banned drugs they allege being used in these NRL cases actually do give an advantage. They are just banned drugs not proven but speculated might act as performance enhancing.

 

[Brookie]

so will anyone stand down des, like they did with 'flanno'?

 

[manlyfan76]

Do the NRL also ban joey johns, he admitted taking drugs from the banned list.

 

[Rambo1987]

Do the NRL also ban joey johns, he admitted taking drugs from the banned list.

It called the Lance Armstrong rule........

 

[Shoe1]

The Gazelle? Deer oh deer oh deer...

Some one poked out the gazelles eyes and give it to the federal govt along time a go.
No eye dear

Then they chopped off his legs.

Still no eye deer.

Then they chopped off his d**k.

Still no f**king eye deer.

What about his dik-dik?

 

[The Wheel]

so will anyone stand down des, like they did with 'flanno'?

Great question

 

[manlyfan76]

ASADA to investigate Toni Williams for taking sleeptides before games. My sorces say he tripled his dose before the storm final last year.

 

[Hamster Huey]

Just like there was scant evidence against Lance Armstrong?

The Lance comparisons are tenious, at best.

Armstrong was done on the basis of a lot of evidence provided by whistle-blowers, supported by strong minded journos that had been chasing his story over many years.

So when presented that evidence and given a chance go appeal, he decided not to.

What evidence has been provided so far that has seen a single player, to this point, admit to offences as serious as we've been let to believe?

 

[the mauler]

Do the NRL also ban joey johns, he admitted taking drugs from the banned list.

Now he's at Manly theyl probably consider it.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

What evidence has been provided so far that has seen a single player, to this point, admit to offences as serious as we've been let to believe?

Still at it Hamster? Cronulla has imploded and speculation is rife that the club is finished. The Chairman has resigned, coach stood down, 4 staff sacked …

Imagine what devastation will be unleashed if they actually find any evidence! :huh:

 

[Shoe1]

tenious lol

 

[Bucko112]

Can anyone actually think anyone of the first grade squad would purposely take banned substances???? Is it possible that it may be 3 lower graders if any?

The problem is players were under the impression that this practice was fool proof, as It can't show up in testing, they got careless

 

[susan]

'' But so far there's not any evidence from ASADA or WADA that any of the particular banned drugs they allege being used in these NRL cases actually do give an advantage. They are just banned drugs not proven but speculated might act as performance enhancing.""

Now I have read some rubbish in the last few weeks but that takes the cake.
How do you think they get on the banned list? All available drugs that start with R,S or W or have the number 6 in their name are banned?All drugs sold in a red bottle are banned?Please!

Can you answer this very simple question.Forget all the press conferences and the current controversy and start from scratch.You seem very enamoured by the US system so

Do you want the NRL system in future to have a 4 week ban for anyone who tests positive to performance enhancing drugs and ONLY if they test positive as is the case in the NFL?Is that your blueprint for a better game?

Of all the things that will flow from this- how we deal with this in the future via our regulation is the biggest question by far.

 

[lsz]

Just like there was scant evidence against Lance Armstrong?

The Lance comparisons are tenious, at best.

Armstrong was done on the basis of a lot of evidence provided by whistle-blowers, supported by strong minded journos that had been chasing his story over many years.

So when presented that evidence and given a chance go appeal, he decided not to.

What evidence has been provided so far that has seen a single player, to this point, admit to offences as serious as we've been let to believe?

So lance was done on the basis of whistle blowers...i wonder what ASADA are trying to do then?

 

[patorick2010]

Look out:

Nein just said that Weedler, has "explosive" evidence about another club.
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=9010120&postcount=1599

Reserve graders, look out.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Nein just said that Weedler, has "explosive" evidence

:lol:

 

[Brissie Kid]

'' But so far there's not any evidence from ASADA or WADA that any of the particular banned drugs they allege being used in these NRL cases actually do give an advantage. They are just banned drugs not proven but speculated might act as performance enhancing.""

Now I have read some rubbish in the last few weeks but that takes the cake.
How do you think they get on the banned list? All available drugs that start with R,S or W or have the number 6 in their name are banned?All drugs sold in a red bottle are banned?Please!

Can you answer this very simple question.Forget all the press conferences and the current controversy and start from scratch.You seem very enamoured by the US system so

Do you want the NRL system in future to have a 4 week ban for anyone who tests positive to performance enhancing drugs and ONLY if they test positive as is the case in the NFL?Is that your blueprint for a better game?

Of all the things that will flow from this- how we deal with this in the future via our regulation is the biggest question by far.

Thanks Susan. Me voicing an opinion won't change what ASADA or NRL do. I'm a nobody. Of course I don't support players gaining unfair advantage.

All I will say is 4 weeks for a first offence for supplements is about right as a fair penalty. We're talking about footballers playing a sport not airline pilots, brain surgeons or crane drivers who people's lives in their hands when they go to work.

Signing up to ASADA is voluntary for sports. It's not criminal or legislated law.

The WADA/ASADA penalties and process are the real problem that needs fixing.

 

[Nthn NSW]

However, the fact that they have gone public means they need to name names soon, as the implication of guilt is hanging over everyone. As it is, you go to work, or the pub, and all you hear is "Well, 'Player X' would be a drug taker, and 'Player Y' looks like he's on the gear". One way or another, it needs to be resolved soon.

While ever everybody is talking about this BIG issue,nobody is discussing Labours up coming demise.
Which can't happen soon enough...

 

[Hamster Huey]

What evidence has been provided so far that has seen a single player, to this point, admit to offences as serious as we've been led to believe?

Still at it Hamster? Cronulla has imploded and speculation is rife that the club is finished. The Chairman has resigned, coach stood down, 4 staff sacked …

Imagine what devastation will be unleashed if they actually find any evidence! :huh:

Please use my quote in context next time.

Five sharks staff sacked/stood down because of a management failure two years ago. Sounds desperate to rid them before even addressing the player issue.

Telling is that the management issue was quickly found and now dealt with, but there is nothing else in that matter yet used against a single player to claim illegal drug usage. You'd think that if the sacking of management/support staff didn't spook a player to plead guilty, what else does ASADA have to drag out some sort of confession?

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Just like there was scant evidence against Lance Armstrong?

The Lance comparisons are tenuous, at best.

Armstrong was done on the basis of a lot of evidence provided by whistle-blowers, supported by strong minded journos that had been chasing his story over many years.

So when presented that evidence and given a chance go appeal, he decided not to.

What evidence has been provided so far that has seen a single player, to this point, admit to offences as serious as we've been let to believe?

So lance was done on the basis of whistle blowers...i wonder what ASADA are trying to do then?

Trying. Exactly. So what evidence has their tactic produced? From what I can see it hasn't done much more than generate speculation, drag names through the mud and seen rumours run rampant through social media?

In Lance's case, people outside cycling knew that it was happening and it was an endemic issue across the sports. His was just the latest in serious drug scandals.

Writing off others opinions with a 'Lance' throwaway line ignores the broader differences between the two instances.