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For & Against: Can Foran revive the glory days in 2021?​

AuthorMartin Lenehan & Paul ZalunardoTimestampFri 15 Jan 2021, 12:00 PM
He's a premiership-winner with Manly and a former New Zealand captain, but can Kieran Foran get back to his best in his return for the Sea Eagles this season?

Returning to the club after stints at the Eels, Warriors and Bulldogs, Foran's career has been derailed by injuries in recent years. He has averaged just 13 appearances per season across the past five years since leaving Manly in 2015.

But back at the club where he made his name and under inspirational coach Des Hasler, can Foran revive the glory days?
At his best Kieran Foran is a world class five-eighth with the ability to change the course of a game with a surge from close range for a try or a solid shot in defence which lifts his teammates.

The best of Foran was on show at Manly in 2011 when he won a premiership as a 21-year-old and again in 2013 when the Sea Eagles made the grand final, but the $64,000 question out Brookie way is whether there's any magic dust left for 'Foz' to sprinkle.

Father Time and a horror injury toll have caught up with the Kiwi playmaker to the extent that he managed just 40 games in his three seasons at Canterbury.

Now 30, he has been given the chance to revive the glory days at Manly alongside coach Des Hasler and captain Daly Cherry-Evans – two men who played such pivotal roles in the early part of Foran's career.

There's no way Hasler would have brought Foran back to Manly if he felt the five-eighth was washed up and had nothing to offer.

After the disappointment of 2020, Hasler will have very clear plans about the path back to finals footy and Foran striking up a potent combination with his old mate DCE is sure to be part of that strategy.

If Foran finds form and fitness in the No.6 jersey that frees up Dylan Walker to roam wider at centre where he is far more potent.


With superstar Tom Trbojevic back in the No.1 jersey and Moses Suli and Jorge Taufua hitting hard with the ball and without it, Manly have a backline more than capable of matching motors with the heavyweights of the NRL.

Foran's fierce will to win and his proven track record in big games make him an astute signing for a Manly outfit which has lost the experience of Joel Thompson and Addin Fonua-Blake for 2021.

By the time the Sea Eagles run out for their season opener against the Roosters it will have been 189 days since Foran's final match in Canterbury colours so he is bound to be a bit rusty.

But once the 213-gamer gets some miles in the legs he'll quickly find his old form and play a leading role in making Dessie's men a premiership force again.


Kieran Foran was once a star player on premiership-winning teams. Along with the likes of the Steve Menzies, Steve Matai, Anthony Watmough, Brent Kite and the Stewart brothers he oversaw a wonderful period of success at Manly.

After five injury-plagued years at Parramatta, the Warriors and Canterbury, Foran now finds himself back at Manly hoping to rediscover what once was.

The long-term injuries he has suffered would have resulted in players with less determination walking away from the game, but not Foran.

The manner in which he has persisted gives an indication as to the mindset required to become an elite player.

But sadly for Foran he isn't getting any younger and not even a return to the northern beaches is likely to see him wind back the years.

There is certainly a feel-good factor about his reunion with Des Hasler and the Sea Eagles, but a look at Manly's strongest side for 2021 suggests it is likely to be hard work for Foran to be in the starting 13.

Daly Cherry-Evans is a lock for both the captaincy and the No.7 jersey and a fit and firing Dylan Walker is a potential match-winner at five-eighth.

With Manase Fainu still subjected to the NRL's no fault stand-down policy, there has been talk Foran could start the year in the No.9 jersey.

For that to be an option, surely Hasler would need to have a second hooker on the bench to give Foran a break.

Maybe Foran's best spot in this Manly side is as a utility player coming off the bench. He could easily fill either of the halves spots, and limited amounts of time at dummy half is eminently doable.

An injury in the outside backs could also see Hasler move Walker in the centres and play Foran with DCE in the halves.

But before Hasler can begin plotting a course for the Kiwi Test great, Foran first needs to get his body right and be available week-in, week-out.

But after being limited to just 66 games since leaving Manly at the end of the 2015 season, the odds appear stacked against him.
 

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For & Against: Can Foran revive the glory days in 2021?​

AuthorMartin Lenehan & Paul ZalunardoTimestampFri 15 Jan 2021, 12:00 PM
He's a premiership-winner with Manly and a former New Zealand captain, but can Kieran Foran get back to his best in his return for the Sea Eagles this season?

Returning to the club after stints at the Eels, Warriors and Bulldogs, Foran's career has been derailed by injuries in recent years. He has averaged just 13 appearances per season across the past five years since leaving Manly in 2015.

But back at the club where he made his name and under inspirational coach Des Hasler, can Foran revive the glory days?
At his best Kieran Foran is a world class five-eighth with the ability to change the course of a game with a surge from close range for a try or a solid shot in defence which lifts his teammates.

The best of Foran was on show at Manly in 2011 when he won a premiership as a 21-year-old and again in 2013 when the Sea Eagles made the grand final, but the $64,000 question out Brookie way is whether there's any magic dust left for 'Foz' to sprinkle.

Father Time and a horror injury toll have caught up with the Kiwi playmaker to the extent that he managed just 40 games in his three seasons at Canterbury.

Now 30, he has been given the chance to revive the glory days at Manly alongside coach Des Hasler and captain Daly Cherry-Evans – two men who played such pivotal roles in the early part of Foran's career.

There's no way Hasler would have brought Foran back to Manly if he felt the five-eighth was washed up and had nothing to offer.

After the disappointment of 2020, Hasler will have very clear plans about the path back to finals footy and Foran striking up a potent combination with his old mate DCE is sure to be part of that strategy.

If Foran finds form and fitness in the No.6 jersey that frees up Dylan Walker to roam wider at centre where he is far more potent.


With superstar Tom Trbojevic back in the No.1 jersey and Moses Suli and Jorge Taufua hitting hard with the ball and without it, Manly have a backline more than capable of matching motors with the heavyweights of the NRL.

Foran's fierce will to win and his proven track record in big games make him an astute signing for a Manly outfit which has lost the experience of Joel Thompson and Addin Fonua-Blake for 2021.

By the time the Sea Eagles run out for their season opener against the Roosters it will have been 189 days since Foran's final match in Canterbury colours so he is bound to be a bit rusty.

But once the 213-gamer gets some miles in the legs he'll quickly find his old form and play a leading role in making Dessie's men a premiership force again.


Kieran Foran was once a star player on premiership-winning teams. Along with the likes of the Steve Menzies, Steve Matai, Anthony Watmough, Brent Kite and the Stewart brothers he oversaw a wonderful period of success at Manly.

After five injury-plagued years at Parramatta, the Warriors and Canterbury, Foran now finds himself back at Manly hoping to rediscover what once was.

The long-term injuries he has suffered would have resulted in players with less determination walking away from the game, but not Foran.

The manner in which he has persisted gives an indication as to the mindset required to become an elite player.

But sadly for Foran he isn't getting any younger and not even a return to the northern beaches is likely to see him wind back the years.

There is certainly a feel-good factor about his reunion with Des Hasler and the Sea Eagles, but a look at Manly's strongest side for 2021 suggests it is likely to be hard work for Foran to be in the starting 13.

Daly Cherry-Evans is a lock for both the captaincy and the No.7 jersey and a fit and firing Dylan Walker is a potential match-winner at five-eighth.

With Manase Fainu still subjected to the NRL's no fault stand-down policy, there has been talk Foran could start the year in the No.9 jersey.

For that to be an option, surely Hasler would need to have a second hooker on the bench to give Foran a break.

Maybe Foran's best spot in this Manly side is as a utility player coming off the bench. He could easily fill either of the halves spots, and limited amounts of time at dummy half is eminently doable.

An injury in the outside backs could also see Hasler move Walker in the centres and play Foran with DCE in the halves.

But before Hasler can begin plotting a course for the Kiwi Test great, Foran first needs to get his body right and be available week-in, week-out.

But after being limited to just 66 games since leaving Manly at the end of the 2015 season, the odds appear stacked against him.
On a one year deal he is worth the risk. We needed a real 5/8th and now walker can go back to center and be more lethal. His experience will help the entire squad and he can guide Schuster while providing dce with the help he's needed since green left. Even if Schuster beats him to the starting spot however unlikely he will be the best back up 5/8th in the comp haha.

Does anyone know how much we actually signed him for?? If its under 400k its a bargain imho.
 

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On a one year deal he is worth the risk. We needed a real 5/8th and now walker can go back to center and be more lethal. His experience will help the entire squad and he can guide Schuster while providing dce with the help he's needed since green left. Even if Schuster beats him to the starting spot however unlikely he will be the best back up 5/8th in the comp haha.

Does anyone know how much we actually signed him for?? If its under 400k its a bargain imho.

Not sure we needed an actual real 5/8 mate with Schuster coming along exponentially.
 

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On a one year deal he is worth the risk. We needed a real 5/8th and now walker can go back to center and be more lethal. His experience will help the entire squad and he can guide Schuster while providing dce with the help he's needed since green left. Even if Schuster beats him to the starting spot however unlikely he will be the best back up 5/8th in the comp haha.

Does anyone know how much we actually signed him for?? If its under 400k its a bargain imho.

My information suggests it’s largely paid for by the Brenda ( RIP) Duchen TPA. Manly would be paying probably only the min salary from the cap.
 

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Thought that i noticed somewhere or one report where it was in the 300 k range No idea of any T P A component Sure that Schuster could be just as capable as a back rower or at 6 . Hope that Walker can also be available as a back up 6 and unfortunately some uncertainty there gives Foz 's signing even more significance .
 

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The long-term injuries he has suffered would have resulted in players with less determination walking away from the game, but not Foran.
The manner in which he has persisted gives an indication as to the mindset required to become an elite player.

How very true and for that I take my (Manly) hat off to him. 2021 is either going to make or break Kieran....hopefully the former.
 
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Foran’s career in first grade did not overlap with Beaver’s. Great research by the authors of the article.

The former debuted in FG in ‘09 and as we all know the latter went out in a blaze of glory in the ‘08 GF.
The genius also included Jorge as the first choice winger, Walker as a possible first choice 5/8, and failed to mention Jamie Lyon's contribution to our golden era. No mention of Schuster either. How do these hacks keep their jobs?
 

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Foz looking very fit and focused where ever he plays he be great for experience for this team.
 

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Foz looking very fit and focused where ever he plays he be great for experience for this team.
I'm sure I read it somewhere that he's never trained harder, never been fitter, never been more focussed, never been more settled and never had a better haircut.
 

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