The Elephant in the room

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not sure it’s an Elephant but we can blame injuries , short turnarounds, whatever you like for our recent form but let’s face it , this all started after the “ big announcement “.

Yes the first game after , we won, but it was the Eels and you could see on the day the Dollar Chaser was going to put in big time.

Since then he , and we , have been dismal and in a downward spiral.

A captain isn’t only about talking to the press or the referee, their biggest role is motivating the team , especially when they are down & out , 12-0 down after 15 minutes.

Imagine how the players must feel knowing their captain doesn’t want to be there and they can see him “ dogging it “.

Now yes this maybe because of a back injury , but it’s more likely he’s just given up.

There are three courses this can take

1) we just accept it for what it is and know this year is shot already.
2) we appoint new , joint captains ( as one is hardly on the field these days anyway) and if the Dollar Chaser spits the dummy we really aren’t any worse off.
3) we send the Dollar Chaser to NSW cup , which means he’ll spit the dummy and demand an immediate release. So be it , if some club is prepared to stump up $600k ( or whatever it is ) all good , and we use those funds to forward pay some players so that if frees up that amount in 26. If no other club has the funds , that’s how he’ll complete his long history with the club , playing Reggie’s.

 

[globaleagle]

But I thought this was the elephant in the room....

Thread 'The Elephant in the room'

Mar 14, 2021

I’ve only briefly mentioned this before and it could be absolute and utter bull**** ( those that are far better connected than me these days might confirm or deny ) but I did hear in the off season that not all was well in “ camp Sea Eagles “.

The rumour ( and that’s all it is ) didn’t come from within the camp rather from a previously connected person.

And no not ZtC , he and I don’t see eye to eye but perhaps his statements last week about the wooden spoon come from inside knowledge after all.

I sincerely hope it’s wrong , but if it’s right we are in deep deep do do.

• Mark from Brisbane
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Thread 'The elephant in the Room...'

Jun 26, 2018

3 million dollars spent on three players that cannot deliver wins.

We often blame DCE for the enormity of his individual contract, but the reality is, we have screwed up monumentally on 3 players, not just 1.

Some posters have eluded to the Turbos being overpaid, not because they don't put in of course, but because they are either too green or not in themselves good enough to win games on their own.
(TT might one day, Jake will never be in that position as a lock/FRF.)

So bagging out DCE is a now a Silvertails and national RL sport, but the reality is DCE is no more than an overpaid...

• EagleFlys
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Crikey, we've got a herd of elephants.... a heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrd!!!!!!!!

lulz

 

[master blaster]

Not sure it’s an Elephant but we can blame injuries , short turnarounds, whatever you like for our recent form but let’s face it , this all started after the “ big announcement “.

Yes the first game after , we won, but it was the Eels and you could see on the day the Dollar Chaser was going to put in big time.

Since then he , and we , have been dismal and in a downward spiral.

A captain isn’t only about talking to the press or the referee, their biggest role is motivating the team , especially when they are down & out , 12-0 down after 15 minutes.

Imagine how the players must feel knowing their captain doesn’t want to be there and they can see him “ dogging it “.

Now yes this maybe because of a back injury , but it’s more likely he’s just given up.

There are three courses this can take

1) we just accept it for what it is and know this year is shot already.
2) we appoint new , joint captains ( as one is hardly on the field these days anyway) and if the Dollar Chaser spits the dummy we really aren’t any worse off.
3) we send the Dollar Chaser to NSW cup , which means he’ll spit the dummy and demand an immediate release. So be it , if some club is prepared to stump up $600k ( or whatever it is ) all good , and we use those funds to forward pay some players so that if frees up that amount in 26. If no other club has the funds , that’s how he’ll complete his long history with the club , playing Reggie’s.

I agree with your earlier post, unless we start winning then this is going to be a crap year, the way we are playing, I cant see when are next win is. All the other teams this year have lifted but us, every game is going to be hard for us from here on in, so yes this year is only going to get harder unless we start playing as a team. If our captain has lost his mojo, then take the captaincy off him and give it to someone who is going to inspire the boys

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I agree with your earlier post, unless we start winning then this is going to be a crap year, the way we are playing, I cant see when are next win is. All the other teams this year have lifted but us, every game is going to be hard for us from here on in, so yes this year is only going to get harder unless we start playing as a team. If our captain has lost his mojo, then take the captaincy off him and give it to someone who is going to inspire the boys

Another thought as well

The Dollar Chaser might be happy to have that pressure released.

I doubt it , but a possibility

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

But I thought this was the elephant in the room....

Thread 'The Elephant in the room'

Mar 14, 2021

I’ve only briefly mentioned this before and it could be absolute and utter bull**** ( those that are far better connected than me these days might confirm or deny ) but I did hear in the off season that not all was well in “ camp Sea Eagles “.

The rumour ( and that’s all it is ) didn’t come from within the camp rather from a previously connected person.

And no not ZtC , he and I don’t see eye to eye but perhaps his statements last week about the wooden spoon come from inside knowledge after all.

I sincerely hope it’s wrong , but if it’s right we are in deep deep do do.

• Mark from Brisbane
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Thread 'The elephant in the Room...'

Jun 26, 2018

3 million dollars spent on three players that cannot deliver wins.

We often blame DCE for the enormity of his individual contract, but the reality is, we have screwed up monumentally on 3 players, not just 1.

Some posters have eluded to the Turbos being overpaid, not because they don't put in of course, but because they are either too green or not in themselves good enough to win games on their own.
(TT might one day, Jake will never be in that position as a lock/FRF.)

So bagging out DCE is a now a Silvertails and national RL sport, but the reality is DCE is no more than an overpaid...

• EagleFlys
• Replies: 86
• Forum: Rugby League Forum

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Crikey, we've got a herd of elephants.... a heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrd!!!!!!!!

lulz

Manly is great at the Elephant game, we could create a circus out of the circus that has been our club ( at times over the last 14 years ).

 

[Phobia]

But I thought this was the elephant in the room....

Thread 'The Elephant in the room'

Mar 14, 2021

I’ve only briefly mentioned this before and it could be absolute and utter bull**** ( those that are far better connected than me these days might confirm or deny ) but I did hear in the off season that not all was well in “ camp Sea Eagles “.

The rumour ( and that’s all it is ) didn’t come from within the camp rather from a previously connected person.

And no not ZtC , he and I don’t see eye to eye but perhaps his statements last week about the wooden spoon come from inside knowledge after all.

I sincerely hope it’s wrong , but if it’s right we are in deep deep do do.

• Mark from Brisbane
• Replies: 80
• Forum: Rugby League Forum

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or this....

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Thread 'The elephant in the Room...'

Jun 26, 2018

3 million dollars spent on three players that cannot deliver wins.

We often blame DCE for the enormity of his individual contract, but the reality is, we have screwed up monumentally on 3 players, not just 1.

Some posters have eluded to the Turbos being overpaid, not because they don't put in of course, but because they are either too green or not in themselves good enough to win games on their own.
(TT might one day, Jake will never be in that position as a lock/FRF.)

So bagging out DCE is a now a Silvertails and national RL sport, but the reality is DCE is no more than an overpaid...

• EagleFlys
• Replies: 86
• Forum: Rugby League Forum

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Crikey, we've got a herd of elephants.... a heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrd!!!!!!!!

lulz

Amazing, we are asking the exact same questions as we were in 2018. "Are the DCE and Turbos overpaid?"

Imagine telling the people in that thread, that seven years later, not only have we not won a premiership, but we have only made the finals three times, in non-consective years, had Barrett and Des sacked, and yet those three are still there, on the same contracts...

 

[maxta]

The interesting test will be seeing "how much impact" Tom T adds this weekend on return, as DCE and a fair few players are looking in cruise control and lacking zest and he should open the game up more for the key players.
Agreed DCE looks a little lacklustre in recent times and to call it out, only Hoppa and Tommy Talau looked to play with any real desire last weekend against Illawarra, with Brown and TKO and Sipley at times ok.....and however Manly started that game had Haumole attacking sideways and looking to pass set a terrible ripple effect across the team.
Second half once he tucked the ball and simply powered direct and hard bending the line, this was the platform for the 2nd half fightback, but too little, too late and Manly deserved what they played for.....a shocking loss.

 

[Rafferty]

Option three is close to the best possible outcome, selling him on, it’s a commercial outcome in the best interest of the club, after all its not like cap space isn’t our problem, Daly’s not in our plans moving forward.

It’s probably what he wants and what’s probably best for the club, it seems silly to hold him and reap what from doing so, cashing him out seems like the best business decision.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

The interesting test will be seeing "how much impact" Tom T adds this weekend on return, as DCE and a fair few players are looking in cruise control and lacking zest and he should open the game up more for the key players.
Agreed DCE looks a little lacklustre in recent times and to call it out, only Hoppa and Tommy Talau looked to play with any real desire last weekend against Illawarra, with Brown and TKO and Sipley at times ok.....and however Manly started that game had Haumole attacking sideways and looking to pass set a terrible ripple effect across the team.
Second half once he tucked the ball and simply powered direct and hard bending the line, this was the platform for the 2nd half fightback, but too little, too late and Manly deserved what they played for.....a shocking loss.

If I thought the Dollar Chaser had his heart in it I’d agree , I’m not actually sure that this is the case.

Maybe it’s a back injury, so I guess the jury is out.

But if , say by round 12 , we’ve lost 6 ( or is it 7) games in a row we’ll know that this is a festering wound that needs to be lanced.

 

[Budgie]

How about a player swap for the year? DCE - Galvin. Tigers had one before where they got Harry Grant.

The thought of DCE being bullied by Luai and co would fill me with delight. Can't imagine they'd have much respect for him. Bloody Queenslander

 

[robbiea]

Done ,Where is the pen ?

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

But I thought this was the elephant in the room....

Thread 'The Elephant in the room'

Mar 14, 2021

I’ve only briefly mentioned this before and it could be absolute and utter bull**** ( those that are far better connected than me these days might confirm or deny ) but I did hear in the off season that not all was well in “ camp Sea Eagles “.

The rumour ( and that’s all it is ) didn’t come from within the camp rather from a previously connected person.

And no not ZtC , he and I don’t see eye to eye but perhaps his statements last week about the wooden spoon come from inside knowledge after all.

I sincerely hope it’s wrong , but if it’s right we are in deep deep do do.

• Mark from Brisbane
• Replies: 80
• Forum: Rugby League Forum

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or this....

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Thread 'The elephant in the Room...'

Jun 26, 2018

3 million dollars spent on three players that cannot deliver wins.

We often blame DCE for the enormity of his individual contract, but the reality is, we have screwed up monumentally on 3 players, not just 1.

Some posters have eluded to the Turbos being overpaid, not because they don't put in of course, but because they are either too green or not in themselves good enough to win games on their own.
(TT might one day, Jake will never be in that position as a lock/FRF.)

So bagging out DCE is a now a Silvertails and national RL sport, but the reality is DCE is no more than an overpaid...

• EagleFlys
• Replies: 86
• Forum: Rugby League Forum

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• 
• 

Crikey, we've got a herd of elephants.... a heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrd!!!!!!!!

lulz

Thankfully we haven’t allowed any of these elephants to destroy the playing surface at Brookvale.

We should be thankful for small mercies.

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

I think losing Tanelia Paseka and our issues with Front rowers ever since has certainly had an impact.

 

[sheridanstand78]

Not sure it’s an Elephant but we can blame injuries , short turnarounds, whatever you like for our recent form but let’s face it , this all started after the “ big announcement “.

Yes the first game after , we won, but it was the Eels and you could see on the day the Dollar Chaser was going to put in big time.

Since then he , and we , have been dismal and in a downward spiral.

A captain isn’t only about talking to the press or the referee, their biggest role is motivating the team , especially when they are down & out , 12-0 down after 15 minutes.

Imagine how the players must feel knowing their captain doesn’t want to be there and they can see him “ dogging it “.

Now yes this maybe because of a back injury , but it’s more likely he’s just given up.

There are three courses this can take

1) we just accept it for what it is and know this year is shot already.
2) we appoint new , joint captains ( as one is hardly on the field these days anyway) and if the Dollar Chaser spits the dummy we really aren’t any worse off.
3) we send the Dollar Chaser to NSW cup , which means he’ll spit the dummy and demand an immediate release. So be it , if some club is prepared to stump up $600k ( or whatever it is ) all good , and we use those funds to forward pay some players so that if frees up that amount in 26. If no other club has the funds , that’s how he’ll complete his long history with the club , playing Reggie’s.

The situation is rapidly becoming untennable. The nose dive in form from the team and DCE is very evident. That announcement blew up this season after a very positive start and the leadership of the club need to bring this to a head ASAP!!

We need a captain or captains that are invested in our club for the long term, we know DCE is moving on and that is his call and I respect what he did for the club, however he or no other is bigger than the club!!

 

[Bringbackcliffy]

On the proviso they have a plan I’d rather they spend 1 or 2 years at the bottom of the table than continue this charade of weapons and premiership windows. We are so far off it’s embarrassing. Stop overpaying local juniors for fear of fan backlash. Be respectful but hard nosed. Think Bellamy. We don’t have to embarrass our heroes but nor should we cripple the squad in giving them preferential deals. Sign players with grit, toughness. Defence wins comps, what we have does not. Start recruiting to win ugly. So much talent squandered in the last decade it always comes back to balance. We’ve not had it for years…..many years. Put Watmough, Gifty and Brent Kite in this team and you are top 3. All leaders, all tough, do anything to win…..all of that missing from this squad

 

[DieHardManlyFan]

Not sure it’s an Elephant but we can blame injuries , short turnarounds, whatever you like for our recent form but let’s face it , this all started after the “ big announcement “.

Yes the first game after , we won, but it was the Eels and you could see on the day the Dollar Chaser was going to put in big time.

Since then he , and we , have been dismal and in a downward spiral.

A captain isn’t only about talking to the press or the referee, their biggest role is motivating the team , especially when they are down & out , 12-0 down after 15 minutes.

Imagine how the players must feel knowing their captain doesn’t want to be there and they can see him “ dogging it “.

Now yes this maybe because of a back injury , but it’s more likely he’s just given up.

There are three courses this can take

1) we just accept it for what it is and know this year is shot already.
2) we appoint new , joint captains ( as one is hardly on the field these days anyway) and if the Dollar Chaser spits the dummy we really aren’t any worse off.
3) we send the Dollar Chaser to NSW cup , which means he’ll spit the dummy and demand an immediate release. So be it , if some club is prepared to stump up $600k ( or whatever it is ) all good , and we use those funds to forward pay some players so that if frees up that amount in 26. If no other club has the funds , that’s how he’ll complete his long history with the club , playing Reggie’s.

I personally believe the elephant in the room is why our captain is happy to walk away from the club after so many years at the club. Since the price jersey saga the club has continued to make poor decision after poor decision (sacking Dessie, Sacking Foran, Shuster big money, Siebold, Issac Moses, Offers via nrl 360, leaking offers to media before they are made, centres as wingers, releasing Fainu’s, ditching grass roots to poach from western Sydney to name a few) our club isn’t focused on being a premier rugby league team it’s focused on turning a profit. I personally believe a snake rots from the head and until we deal with the issues in our board room we will continue to see issues on field. We need to bring in people who know how to win, not wooden spoons. We’re not a top 4 club, if we were we would be finishing in the top 4.

At the current stage it’s obvious we don’t know what we’re doing. Regardless of result I’ll be cheering for our team but until I see changes I’m not hopeful of us making any on field improvements.

 

[Hibyemama]

I agree with your earlier post, unless we start winning then this is going to be a crap year, the way we are playing, I cant see when are next win is. All the other teams this year have lifted but us, every game is going to be hard for us from here on in, so yes this year is only going to get harder unless we start playing as a team. If our captain has lost his mojo, then take the captaincy off him and give it to someone who is going to inspire the boys

i say Garrick should be captain. he plays 100% every game. my favourite player 👍

 

[Fibro Eagle]

This year DCE stays as captain , Realistically this team weren’t going to play in a GF , Most likely play finals , Look who wins week in week out ( Bulldogs exception at the moment) every team is inconsistent, A few tweaks in the forwards Seibold needs to make
Things might change

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Honestly another thread blaming DCE for every bad thing that's happened to mankind over the past 100 years.....

Surely if you take off the 'I hate DCE' glasses for just one minute you might be able to see reason.

Our only Line bending forward goes down in in round 3 and is out for the season. we haven't recruited any decent forwards for years. hell i would have Taken one of the MAY brothers even.

Tom misses round 3 and then does his knee round 4.

Saab comes into 2025 after complications to surgery in the off season. also misses games in 2025.

Tommy Talau one of our best backs last year misses the start to the season.

the messiah and best no.9 in the comp ( well looking at his thread you could be forgiven for thinking this) has been missing all year. this has meant Jazz T at starting hooker where he hasn't played for years. No look in for GCKT?

But the biggest Issue is Seibold. 100% lock it in.... no decent signings over the off season. No real leadership and no bloody idea.

we should and could have locked up LODGE to a decent deal last year but played silly buggers. sure we got him on a train and trail but again it leaves a bad taste in the players mouth no doubt. players need to be wanted. Offer Lodge 300k per year and say look you will be starting next year so go get em. he trains hard in the off season and is ready to go round 1.... we could have tied up DCE or at least tried to last year and avoided the circus.

So yes DCE announcing his departure was a kick in the guts for the club but its far from the main reason we are going so poorly.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

i say Garrick should be captain. he plays 100% every game. my favourite player 👍

hes a solid player but should be on the wing.