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we are going to have to disgree on your use of elite

Dollar Chaser-Elite?

 

[globaleagle]

‘In what world?’: Robbo slams Knights, reveals Smith chat as DCE drums beat louder

‘In what world?’: Robbo slams Knights, reveals Smith chat as DCE drums beat louder

www.foxsports.com.au

Robinson confirmed Smith would join the Rabbitohs this week as the club continues to free up cash to make a play for Cherry-Evans.

“Yeah look I said it maybe six weeks ago that we were interested. We haven’t had any discussions since then with management, but that’s still the case,” Robinson said.
“We haven’t got to the point where we’ve sat down and had that conversation. We’ll get to it in due course, whether it can get worked out.

 

[Bearfax]

Still get the sense there is a general emotional reaction to DCE leaving and that distorts how you see the issue. Firstly saying DCE is not an elite half is quite contrary to his selection as one of the top half backs in the game over the past decade. Secondly suggesting Cronk was superior to DCE is again very questionable, given Cronk was always playing in a top grade side whereas DCE has had to deal with some very average Manly sides.

For goodness sake this fellow is a test half, had captained and won SOOs. Suggesting he's not a top half because Manly hasn't won a comp since 2011 is meaningless. One player does not win a comp and I think you all know that. To me this is all anger because he did something that riled us. OK. Maybe he did this all wrong. And as I said if his performance drops over the remainder of the season, we have something to be annoyed about. But lets get it into perspective. He was a great half back for Manly, in my mind even better than Cronk, though perhaps not to Thurston's level. Very easy to consider someone great when they have a great side around them.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Robinson confirmed Smith would join the Rabbitohs this week as the club continues to free up cash to make a play for Cherry-Evans.

Seems to be two camps in the rugby league media at the moment: those who attempt to maintain the fiction that Cherry wasn't signed, sealed and delivered to the Roosters before he made his fateful announcement, and those who are willing to give nudge-nudge wink-wink recognition to the fact that the deal is already done.

Unless he breaks a leg or suffers irreperable whiplash from watching opposition players run past him on their way to the try line, he will be a Rooster in 2026. Hooray for him. Now can we get back to the part where he said he'd be doing everything he can to help Manly win a premiership in 2025?

 

[LeonardCohen]

Still get the sense there is a general emotional reaction to DCE leaving and that distorts how you see the issue. Firstly saying DCE is not an elite half is quite contrary to his selection as one of the top half backs in the game over the past decade. Secondly suggesting Cronk was superior to DCE is again very questionable, given Cronk was always playing in a top grade side whereas DCE has had to deal with some very average Manly sides.

For goodness sake this fellow is a test half, had captained and won SOOs. Suggesting he's not a top half because Manly hasn't won a comp since 2011 is meaningless. One player does not win a comp and I think you all know that. To me this is all anger because he did something that riled us. OK. Maybe he did this all wrong. And as I said if his performance drops over the remainder of the season, we have something to be annoyed about. But let’s get it into perspective. He was a great half back for Manly, in my mind even better than Cronk, though perhaps not to Thurston's level. Very easy to consider someone great when they have a great side around them.

You make some very valid points but in your attempt to show ‘understanding and emotionally intelligence in your views on DCE’s departure’ you are neglecting to validate the emotional experiences of your fellow posters. If understanding fundamental human nature is your modus operandi, you might want to apply it to the Manly fans as well as Daly.

 

[mave]

Still get the sense there is a general emotional reaction to DCE leaving and that distorts how you see the issue. Firstly saying DCE is not an elite half is quite contrary to his selection as one of the top half backs in the game over the past decade. Secondly suggesting Cronk was superior to DCE is again very questionable, given Cronk was always playing in a top grade side whereas DCE has had to deal with some very average Manly sides.

For goodness sake this fellow is a test half, had captained and won SOOs. Suggesting he's not a top half because Manly hasn't won a comp since 2011 is meaningless. One player does not win a comp and I think you all know that. To me this is all anger because he did something that riled us. OK. Maybe he did this all wrong. And as I said if his performance drops over the remainder of the season, we have something to be annoyed about. But lets get it into perspective. He was a great half back for Manly, in my mind even better than Cronk, though perhaps not to Thurston's level. Very easy to consider someone great when they have a great side around them.

DCE has always been a 5/8, with a 7 on his back.....actually would have been an even better 9, but I digress.

I cant see any scenario where he is a better halfback than Cronk, especially in terms of a traditional halfback role.

 

[jbb/james]

Still get the sense there is a general emotional reaction to DCE leaving and that distorts how you see the issue. Firstly saying DCE is not an elite half is quite contrary to his selection as one of the top half backs in the game over the past decade. Secondly suggesting Cronk was superior to DCE is again very questionable, given Cronk was always playing in a top grade side whereas DCE has had to deal with some very average Manly sides.

For goodness sake this fellow is a test half, had captained and won SOOs. Suggesting he's not a top half because Manly hasn't won a comp since 2011 is meaningless. One player does not win a comp and I think you all know that. To me this is all anger because he did something that riled us. OK. Maybe he did this all wrong. And as I said if his performance drops over the remainder of the season, we have something to be annoyed about. But lets get it into perspective. He was a great half back for Manly, in my mind even better than Cronk, though perhaps not to Thurston's level. Very easy to consider someone great when they have a great side around them.

To me elite is like fatigue… over used

When do we stop and draw a line, was nate myles elite, he was a rep playerb

Cleary is elite in the making , hughes is in a rich vein of form

But to be elite you would have to to rank very highly in all disciplines and roles of what a 7 would provide. He would rank very highly in some but wouldn't even register on others

His 7-8 out of 10 games are punctuated with far too many 4/10 to be considered elite as consistency at the highest level is a strong indicator.

A halfback that doesnt run or engage the line is like a prop who only takes runs on the other side if halfway despite his game ending stats. The team needs

Very few players outside of cherry reach potential,oku is a weapon despite the poor service and i believe would be an established origin star by now with better service


injury free tom would have been elite.
Sometimes the crop isnt that good so the best is just the best of a bad lot

 

[The Royal Soup]

drop DCE

 

[Tragic Eagle]

The sooner we see the back of DCE the better.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Sadly this **** is going to plague us until he’s gone.

If the clubs smart he’ll go to the Roosters NOW.

Yes Jake Arthur is no where near his level BUT based on what I’ve seen the last few games we wouldn’t be losing much as the Dollar Chaser has dialed it in , and is just turning up and nothing else.

Forget what he’s done , or if he’s elite or not , currently he’s a one million dollar ANCHOR, acting like a W ⚓️

If the Rorters want him now we are literally no worse off without him.

But I doubt the club has the Kahunas to do it so it’s going to be loss after loss after loss for the rest of the year, maybe the occasional win when the other side craps themselves.

Needs to happen , SOON.

 

[Bearfax]

You make some very valid points but in your attempt to show ‘understanding and emotionally intelligence in your views on DCE’s departure’ you are neglecting to validate the emotional experiences of your fellow posters. If understanding fundamental human nature is your modus operandi, you might want to apply it to the Manly fans as well as Daly.

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

 

[Cochrane]

You don't see too many elite halfbacks try a chip kick on the first tackle of a much needed repeat set either, but here we are...

That's our DCE, at the casino sitting at the table just throwing the dice.

Some good wins have come from it, but it's not a game that will provide consistency and a seat at the table when the deep end of finals footy comes around.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Let’s stick it to him. Let’s diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

You been watching him play since the announcement ??

I watched a replay of yesterdays game this morning , minimal involvement , mostly mistakes, zero captain like attitude.

I get you’re pissed , at us being pissed , but surely you can see what’s going on.

He’s announced he’s leaving , no reasons , the club he’s been a part of for 15 years , and since then he clearly does not give a flying ****.

So if he doesn’t , why should I??

By the way , as I have said you are absolutely entitled to your view and I respect that, but I think it’s time to understand there’s an alternative view and we just have to agree to disagree.

He needs to go , he’s tearing the club , the fans and obviously his team mates apart.

Which I believe is exactly the point f everything he’s done.

 

[Chunkytuna]

Still get the sense there is a general emotional reaction to DCE leaving and that distorts how you see the issue. Firstly saying DCE is not an elite half is quite contrary to his selection as one of the top half backs in the game over the past decade. Secondly suggesting Cronk was superior to DCE is again very questionable, given Cronk was always playing in a top grade side whereas DCE has had to deal with some very average Manly sides.

For goodness sake this fellow is a test half, had captained and won SOOs. Suggesting he's not a top half because Manly hasn't won a comp since 2011 is meaningless. One player does not win a comp and I think you all know that. To me this is all anger because he did something that riled us. OK. Maybe he did this all wrong. And as I said if his performance drops over the remainder of the season, we have something to be annoyed about. But lets get it into perspective. He was a great half back for Manly, in my mind even better than Cronk, though perhaps not to Thurston's level. Very easy to consider someone great when they have a great side around them.

I dont think many give a rats that he’s going. I for one am looking forward to the post-DCE era. It’s more the manner in which he’s done it. And his form HAS dropped off noticeably since this all came to light - i don’t think anyone can deny that. That’s affected the team’s performances too - hence the annoyance from us fans. I’ve said it for years and years - DCE at his best is VERY very good. But at his worst he is VERY very average. And the fluctuations in those levels are far too common and wide. No consistency and it’s for that reason I don’t (and never have) rated him as a ’great’. Then again, I wouldn’t rank Cronk as a ‘great’ either.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans

DCE [paraphrased] I want to play on. Just not with Manly. Of course I have nothing against the club, I just don't want to play with them ever again. And won't, as soon as my contract is finished I'm gone! (But yes I'll keep playing with Qld, I enjoy and love playing for Qld)
Oh yeah, and there's now a smear campaign against me. I won't say who it's from, but you all know where it's coming from (laughing bitterly)

You're right about one thing though Bear, he hasn't attacked the fans.

 

[Chunkytuna]

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

You seem to be forgetting/ignoring the part where he accused ‘someone’ (wouldn’t say who so we’re left to wonder) of orchestrating a smear campaign against him??

 

[Cochrane]

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

You've already written this

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

I'll take the way Jack Wighton left Canberra thanks. Fulton and arko had a close relationship and arko gave him his blessing as he knew he couldn't match Packers $$. I've read it was open and transparent discussions between them both, which led to Fulton being welcomed back in later years.

Fulton didn't go on ch 9, he didnt think he was that important, and leave Manly to fend for themselves against media backlash from the outcome of what the player said during the television exclusive.

I feel you have said all this before, and many of us have explained our thought to you already, do we have to go over old ground again?

 

[LeonardCohen]

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

Look up the definition of subtext and you’ll find he said enough to compose a short novella 😂

 

[jbb/james]

At the end of the day daly wanted to break up with manly before manly broke up with him
And he did it like a sooky schoolgirl

I think manly love stops a lot of people from crossing their own invisible line of criticism , and many people had simmering doubts for a long time , gave the benefit of the doubt or hall pass due to the holiness of the manly brand

Its gone now

 

[jbb/james]

Read my post again LC. I am referring to the emotional response to this whole episode. Emotionally charged issues can become infectious and lead a life of their own, losing sight of what the original issue was about.

And what was the original issue? DCE got on TV and said he was leaving Manly. Did he attack the club?. Did he attack the fans? Did he say why? So what was it that caused the problem.? Was it that he didn't say he was leaving in the manner that suited us. Really? Maybe he said it jovially, but where has he said anything against the club or the fans. He was merely indicating a decision. It was we who then created a whole series of scenarios and implications, that were never said. Is this all about hurt feelings? Lets stick it to him. Lets diminish his value to our team over 14 years. Please LC, tell me what factual matters have we to be so upset about? Like I said Bob Fulton announced he was leaving Manly in his final years for more money with Easts and he also was captain. Were we upset? I well remember it. But did we demean him?

Josh Aioli probably suffers same fate