The Daly Cherrygraph

[Mal Cochrane]

Bearfax it's ok that you will go to any lengths to support dce in this. Perhaps you just see it that way or perhaps you will protect a fav player at all costs. Either way is fine too.

The fact you have people here and on the streets/radio etc who always bagged dces game management, or those that bagged him taking the money and backflipping, those that moan he never won us a premiership after the gun team was torn apart, those that supported him and never understood everyone's complaints, and those that loved him - have now had their head turned says something about the situation that you are simply missing.

 

[LeonardCohen]

And you know exactly what transpired do you LC. This is his life, not ours You're assuming based on limited information and one of the most important lessons I learned in my job over 34 years was NEVER make assumptions based on limited information because much of the time you will be wrong or misinterpret what is happening.

It’s not an assumption that he went on 100% Footy without a Manly shirt on. It’s not an assumption that he didn’t paint the club in a positive light, even though we all know the club are so much more than the coaching staff, board and administrators, and that the media had a field day and that lots of people had questions and no answers. None of that is an assumption and that’s the point you’re missing. No one is claiming to know why he did it; that would indeed be an assumption…but it’s not an assumption that it went down a certain way; it’s as transparent as turning on the TV, picking up a newspaper, or reading this forum.

You’re not going to rope me into some circular logic, based on your vocational experience. You’re entitled to your opinion and I wish you well 😎

 

[Eagles4Life]

It’s not an assumption that he went on 100% Footy without a Manly shirt on. It’s not an assumption that he didn’t paint the club in a positive light, even though we all know the club are so much more than the coaching staff, board and administrators, and that the media had a field day and that lots of people had questions and no answers. None of that is an assumption and that’s the point you’re missing. No one is claiming to know why he did it; that would indeed be an assumption…but it’s not an assumption that it went down a certain way; it’s as transparent as turning on the TV, picking up a newspaper, or reading this forum.

You’re not going to rope me into some circular logic, based on your vocational experience. You’re entitled to your opinion and I wish you well 😎

It's not an assumption that DCE made this announcement without notice to the club and most of his Manly teammates. It's also not an assumption that DCE (and his media mouthpieces) have attempted to stage-manage and manipulate his announcement(s) and failed miserably. In my opinion, and predominantly through his recent actions, DCE has badly sabotaged his Manly legacy and has no one to blame but himself.

 

[Chip and Chase]

Why are you guys feeding the troll ? Just be thankful that there is now an end in sight to the least productive era in Manly history.

Some can't see past that flawed, simplistic logic of "he's paid a lot of money he must be good". We paid overs, and for far, far too long. We were rorted. He hasn't been worth the money. He's not elite...there is not one individual accolade in his pool room since 2015 that says "elite". Club awards are laughable justification of his alleged elite status. An above average NRL half, yes. But not elite.

Less than 25 games now and we can move on and get this club back on track. He has shown how much Manly means to him by the manner of his departure.

 

[Bearfax]

Not sure about a can of worms @Bearfax just another of the many & varied opinions that exist about the exit.

I see much of your point , and in some ways don’t disagree.

But I do think you need to acknowledge that many are pissed off with him , our longest standing player , our club captain none the less , for the manner that this has been handled.

As I said way back on page “ whatever it was “ let’s say this happened.

Press conference called , at Brookvale , in a Manly jersey , Daly , maybe his wife & kids ( that would tug on the heart strings big time ) saying this.

*******
I’m announcing today that 2025 will by my last at Manly , we get a short time in our game and I’ve been offered an incredible deal by XXXX club which will evolve two years playing and a 5 year coaching / media contract unable to be matched by any other of the 16 sides.

I’ll be working my backside off for the club that gave me a start and that has been my home for 15 years , a final Premiership would cap off that time magnificently.

To all the fans I know you’ll be sad , maybe upset , but I’m sure you realise you do the best you can for your wife & kids , who are here with me today.

Thank you one and all , now let’s get this job done and I won’t be answering any further questions on the process that’s taken place.

*******

Not a dry eye in the house , no ill feelings , goes out a legend & a winner in everyone’s eyes.

Whilst I do get your points , these are mine , could have been handled much better, REGARDLESS of what went on behind closed doors.

I understand there is much feeling about this matter and the DCE issue in general, though for varying reasons and not just because of the interview. I reiterate though that your suggested comment may well be said at a later date, but probably in a formalised manner as is consistent with his nature. I mean its a year away and as I said, I dont think its just because of what he didn't say at that interview that's causing fans to be upset. DCE does things I believe pragmatically. There's been a lot of mixed feelings about DCE since 2015, as noted on this site and elsewhere. I for one regret seeing him go but then I've accepted he's on the way out a while back. Dry eye? Figuratively speaking you can count one, but then realistically in a few years feelings will have changed for us all. The reaction at present is emotive and I'm sure most are feeling it for very mixed and in some cases conflicting reasons.

To me DCE is the tall poppy. He's a remarkably talented and resilient footballer, but I suspect he doesn't suffer fools and speaks his mind. He'll end up in an administrative post, possibly at Manly. He's not the first player who's been in conflict with the club if that's the cause. Remember Toovey, Watmough, G.Stewart. I suspect DCE, who is articulate and obviously quite bright, speaks his mind behind closed doors. But notice something about him, Personal criticisms are rarely heard in public. And we hear no negative press about his life, family, friends, outside. He'll fight the good fight as chair of the Players Association but did he ever spit the dummy over the bad press and criticism he received over his decision to back out of the Titan's deal. He'll tell Schuster publically to pull his socks up, but do you hear criticisms of other players, refs, clubs? On the field its quite amazing that he is rarely injured, partly genetic no doubt, but I also think its to do with his commitment to fitness and being everywhere on the field. And it is extraordinary how he adapts to the needs of the game. His kicking game for instance has developed in leaps, 40/20s, long kicks, kicks for Ola and the wing men, drop kicks with both feet. Quite remarkable and developed while playing at Manly. And then he never shirks in defence.

So what is not to like? I think some resent that Foran left and DCE stayed. We loved Foran because he gave his all in attack and then we felt for him with his personal issues, marriage problems, money misuse, substance issues, emotional problems and then there were the injuries. He was vulnerable, flawed like us. He was like a family member, one of the boys going through hard times. DCE is always in control. He's a natural leader, not like one of us. He's a perfectionist. He obviously gets people off side because he seems to say it as it is. He is considered somewhat abrasive, full of himself. I think some of us wanted him to fall, at least a little, to make him more humble and more like one of us. But he has always obviously been highly focussed in his responsibilities to the game, his family, his team...and leaders can be a little harder to like. His recent decision and the manner in which he said it without emotional content, without any disparaging comments, was consistent with how he operates. And a lot of people don't like that because it seems to have no feeling. DCE no doubt feels, but I have a mate like that and he is also very focussed. He's also a perfectionist, finds it difficult to express feelings even though he's a very kind fellow and would do anything for you. Showing feelings is a weakness to them. You can feel emotions but don't express them in public.

That to me is DCE

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I understand there is much feeling about this matter and the DCE issue in general, though for varying reasons and not just because of the interview. I reiterate though that your suggested comment may well be said at a later date, but probably in a formalised manner as is consistent with his nature. I mean its a year away and as I said, I dont think its just because of what he didn't say at that interview that's causing fans to be upset. DCE does things I believe pragmatically. There's been a lot of mixed feelings about DCE since 2015, as noted on this site and elsewhere. I for one regret seeing him go but then I've accepted he's on the way out a while back. Dry eye? Figuratively speaking you can count one, but then realistically in a few years feelings will have changed for us all. The reaction at present is emotive and I'm sure most are feeling it for very mixed and in some cases conflicting reasons.

To me DCE is the tall poppy. He's a remarkably talented and resilient footballer, but I suspect he doesn't suffer fools and speaks his mind. He'll end up in an administrative post, possibly at Manly. He's not the first player who's been in conflict with the club if that's the cause. Remember Toovey, Watmough, G.Stewart. I suspect DCE, who is articulate and obviously quite bright, speaks his mind behind closed doors. But notice something about him, Personal criticisms are rarely heard in public. And we hear no negative press about his life, family, friends, outside. He'll fight the good fight as chair of the Players Association but did he ever spit the dummy over the bad press and criticism he received over his decision to back out of the Titan's deal. He'll tell Schuster publically to pull his socks up, but do you hear criticisms of other players, refs, clubs? On the field its quite amazing that he is rarely injured, partly genetic no doubt, but I also think its to do with his commitment to fitness and being everywhere on the field. And it is extraordinary how he adapts to the needs of the game. His kicking game for instance has developed in leaps, 40/20s, long kicks, kicks for Ola and the wing men, drop kicks with both feet. Quite remarkable and developed while playing at Manly. And then he never shirks in defence.

So what is not to like? I think some resent that Foran left and DCE stayed. We loved Foran because he gave his all in attack and then we felt for him with his personal issues, marriage problems, money misuse, substance issues, emotional problems and then there were the injuries. He was vulnerable, flawed like us. He was like a family member, one of the boys going through hard times. DCE is always in control. He's a natural leader, not like one of us. He's a perfectionist. He obviously gets people off side because he seems to say it as it is. He is considered somewhat abrasive, full of himself. I think some of us wanted him to fall, at least a little, to make him more humble and more like one of us. But he has always obviously been highly focussed in his responsibilities to the game, his family, his team...and leaders can be a little harder to like. His recent decision and the manner in which he said it without emotional content, without any disparaging comments, was consistent with how he operates. And a lot of people don't like that because it seems to have no feeling. DCE no doubt feels, but I have a mate like that and he is also very focussed. He's also a perfectionist, finds it difficult to express feelings even though he's a very kind fellow and would do anything for you. Showing feelings is a weakness to them. You can feel emotions but don't express them in public.

That to me is DCE

I understand your side , perfectly well and you make some excellent points.

I’m not in the “ let’s boo him “ brigade , that’s just stupid.

But I’m certainly in the “ you’ve lost my respect , nevertheless you are still a player , and the captain , so just do your job for the rest of the year and that will be that” camp.

I just believe that speech would have been better delivered now, and the end of the year it will just feel “ manufactured to make him sound like a great guy “.

 

[manlyfan76]

Day 65 and I still don't see anyone reading between the lines.

Far too simple and emotional.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I understand there is much feeling about this matter and the DCE issue in general, though for varying reasons and not just because of the interview. I reiterate though that your suggested comment may well be said at a later date, but probably in a formalised manner as is consistent with his nature. I mean its a year away and as I said, I dont think its just because of what he didn't say at that interview that's causing fans to be upset. DCE does things I believe pragmatically. There's been a lot of mixed feelings about DCE since 2015, as noted on this site and elsewhere. I for one regret seeing him go but then I've accepted he's on the way out a while back. Dry eye? Figuratively speaking you can count one, but then realistically in a few years feelings will have changed for us all. The reaction at present is emotive and I'm sure most are feeling it for very mixed and in some cases conflicting reasons.

To me DCE is the tall poppy. He's a remarkably talented and resilient footballer, but I suspect he doesn't suffer fools and speaks his mind. He'll end up in an administrative post, possibly at Manly. He's not the first player who's been in conflict with the club if that's the cause. Remember Toovey, Watmough, G.Stewart. I suspect DCE, who is articulate and obviously quite bright, speaks his mind behind closed doors. But notice something about him, Personal criticisms are rarely heard in public. And we hear no negative press about his life, family, friends, outside. He'll fight the good fight as chair of the Players Association but did he ever spit the dummy over the bad press and criticism he received over his decision to back out of the Titan's deal. He'll tell Schuster publically to pull his socks up, but do you hear criticisms of other players, refs, clubs? On the field its quite amazing that he is rarely injured, partly genetic no doubt, but I also think its to do with his commitment to fitness and being everywhere on the field. And it is extraordinary how he adapts to the needs of the game. His kicking game for instance has developed in leaps, 40/20s, long kicks, kicks for Ola and the wing men, drop kicks with both feet. Quite remarkable and developed while playing at Manly. And then he never shirks in defence.

So what is not to like? I think some resent that Foran left and DCE stayed. We loved Foran because he gave his all in attack and then we felt for him with his personal issues, marriage problems, money misuse, substance issues, emotional problems and then there were the injuries. He was vulnerable, flawed like us. He was like a family member, one of the boys going through hard times. DCE is always in control. He's a natural leader, not like one of us. He's a perfectionist. He obviously gets people off side because he seems to say it as it is. He is considered somewhat abrasive, full of himself. I think some of us wanted him to fall, at least a little, to make him more humble and more like one of us. But he has always obviously been highly focussed in his responsibilities to the game, his family, his team...and leaders can be a little harder to like. His recent decision and the manner in which he said it without emotional content, without any disparaging comments, was consistent with how he operates. And a lot of people don't like that because it seems to have no feeling. DCE no doubt feels, but I have a mate like that and he is also very focussed. He's also a perfectionist, finds it difficult to express feelings even though he's a very kind fellow and would do anything for you. Showing feelings is a weakness to them. You can feel emotions but don't express them in public.

That to me is DCE

Assumptions made:
1. There will probably be a formal announcement, as is consistent with his nature.
2. He'll end up in an Administrative post.
3. Realistically, in a few years, feelings will have changed for us all.
4. DCE doesn't suffer fools.
5. No negative press about his life - Hastings anyone?!
6. We resent that Foran left and DCE stayed.
7. We love Foran and connected with his flaws.
8. DCE is a perfectionist
9. DCE is highly focussed on his responsibilities to the game, his family, and his team.
10. All leaders can be hard to like.
11. We don't like how he announced things because it lacked emotion.
12. DCE no doubt 'feels'.
13. DCE is a kind fellow who would do anything for you.

I think you're entirely free to make these assumptions...I am just wondering if you'll allow others to dabble in conjecture from here on in?

 

[ManlyTragic]

This DCE thread is getting so boring ….. I think I will go and rearrange my sock drawer!

Just sayin’

 

[Woodsie]

Just pondering ...

DCE becomes CEO of the NRLP association on say $300k year .... plus broadcast contract on say another $300ka year ... plus a RL ambassador role to the US on another $200k a year ...
The bloke can earn up to heaps a year without getting his aging body bashed ... or moving homes ...

For mine, the jury is still out on what he does ...

 

[Bearfax]

Assumptions made:
1. There will probably be a formal announcement, as is consistent with his nature.
2. He'll end up in an Administrative post.
3. Realistically, in a few years, feelings will have changed for us all.
4. DCE doesn't suffer fools.
5. No negative press about his life - Hastings anyone?!
6. We resent that Foran left and DCE stayed.
7. We love Foran and connected with his flaws.
8. DCE is a perfectionist
9. DCE is highly focussed on his responsibilities to the game, his family, and his team.
10. All leaders can be hard to like.
11. We don't like how he announced things because it lacked emotion.
12. DCE no doubt 'feels'.
13. DCE is a kind fellow who would do anything for you.

I think you're entirely free to make these assumptions...I am just wondering if you'll allow others to dabble in conjecture from here on in?

You're right LC. They are assumptions but they are based on probable outcomes. You're right in some areas I should not have been so definitive. I apologise. However my points are based on elements we've all seen and are evidenced by what we know of DCE.

A few points though. Please don't misquote what I say. For example I never said all leaders can be hard to like. I said leaders can be a ittle harder to like. It doesn't translate to all and it doesn't say they are hard to like. It is suggesting in comparison to your colleagues, leaders have to make decisions at times that can be unpalatable. I didn't say we don't like how he announced things because it lacked emotion. You've twisted a number of elements there to fit your assumption. I said he says things as they are. Anyone watching him after a match can see that. He can obviously be a little abrasive and I suspect that's why he got Thurston offside. The whole argument here is to do with him not referring to or informing the fans. I didnt say it was lack of emotion. I did say that I suspect he sees expressing issues emotionally is difficult for him, a weakness. But that's entirely different. And of course he feels. Anyone who is so committed to his responsibilities as a family man and team captain has feeling otherwise they wouldn't bother.

I'll acknowledge that I should have been less definitive in some elements. I accept the criticism. However, LC you turned a lot of what I said around in a manner that was not what I was saying to meet your assumptions. I expect an apology for that. I was making a personality assessment assessment based on the information that we have before us. Its not totally accurate. I may even be wrong but I don't think so. I'm not going to say why I see it that way but lets say in my job for the courts I had to interpret thousands of people and their motives for reports. You pick up one or two things over the years doing that.

 

[mave]

That ridiculous 15m kick into touch in the first half completely changed the momentum of that half, and we go in 2 tries down.....and end up losing by 6.

Give me a proper game manager everyday.
Kick it high, and chase hard, again, again, again, again, and again.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Send him and Spoony packing together.

 

[LeonardCohen]

LC you turned a lot of what I said around in a manner that was not what I was saying to meet your assumptions. I expect an apology for that.

You have nothing to apologise for, it's just a bit of banter. I am not the least bit bothered by anything you have or haven't said, just enjoying the forum. I apologise if anything I've said amongst the banter is seen as a deliberate attempt to twist your words or cause offence. I love what you bring to the forum!

 

[HoldenV8]

Thank you for expressing what you think fathered friend
You are entitled to that .


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bmgator.org

Did you miss his inauguration speech where he thanked Musk for rigging the election??

Maybe you also missed that what Trump is doing and has done, is actually illegal??

 

[Brookie1973]

Did you miss his inauguration speech where he thanked Musk for rigging the election??

Maybe you also missed that what Trump is doing and has done, is actually illegal??

Are we blaming DCE for Trump now as well?

 

[Sea Eagle 4 Life]

DCE shook hands with the Roosters late last year. No contract signed as yet.
The reason he is leaving is not simply for the money, however that is one consideration. One of the other reasons is that DCE believes Siebs is a substandard coach and he wants to win another premiership. This is

That ridiculous 15m kick into touch in the first half completely changed the momentum of that half, and we go in 2 tries down.....and end up losing by 6.

To be fair, I think that Hoppa letting a bomb bounce & dropping another (which led to 2 Sharks tries from their next set) cost us more.

 

[conanu]

it pains me to write this because it’s so cliche and probably what the media are gonna say, but I think DCE is playing in a dinner suit since he announced that he’s leaving. And I’ve seen his intensity drop off as far as rushing to get to the Ball and he just doesn’t seem to wind up his players but maybe he was doing that part of it all along. Yet when we have momentum, he is front and centre of everything that’s going on and fills the highlight reels when we’re winning. Disappears when it gets gritty though.

if he’s looking for an early release then the last couple of games have definitely helped that cause, maybe that’s why he wanted? 🤷‍♂️

 

[conanu]

Yes it’s been a seriously flawed approach , and one you cannot blame one coach , one recruitment team nor one football department for , in essence they’ve all been culpable.

Not sure where they go from here , problems in a lot of areas.

Agree Mark. I i’m sure to outsiders we look like stupid whingeing Manly fans throwing a tantrum, but to us its like watching a re-run of a bad movie. I think the reason why we are so quick to say the season is lost is because it’s rinse and repeat of the last couple of seasons. We haven’t figured out that Defence and only Defence will win a premiership with this team, but absolutely nothing has changed as far as our defence is concerned.

And unfortunately we know that nothing will change this season and we will probably make the eight but against the better teams that defence just is paper thin and won’t get us home.

 

[Eagle 1]

Did you miss his inauguration speech where he thanked Musk for rigging the election??

Maybe you also missed that what Trump is doing and has done, is actually illegal??

Wrong thread guys.