The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[CRPSI eagle]

We have to many ****e players in our team that would not make bench of most other teams, yet week in week out we continue to pick them and reward them with contract extensions. Lucky for the Tigers otherwise the spoon would be ours.
Time to have hard discussions with DCE and Turbo as they are no longer $1 mil plus players.
Looks very very ugly!

 

[Deleted member 26876]

Similar to Hasler roster last year. Neither could he .....
It's not coaching it's lack of talent ....Morgan Harper not an nrl player of any level and is that bad he should not make a 30 man roster.
Siging pea hearts like Tuilagi, Aloiai. Look where they have come from ???
Scott fulton runs recruitment.

Yeah I totally agree with that. The coach copping the blame for last season was a huge get out card for the players + recruitment. I had an embarrassing number of rants on here at the time but it wasn't neccessarily cause we had the messiah as coach (although I do think we had a good one), it was that I couldn't see any other coach in the NRL do a better job given the circumstances. Eg. how rudderless and weak the storm were without Munster this year. Even Wayne Bennett at least has the old storm forward pack motoring the dolphins team.

For mine it comes down to passion in the playing group, and recruitment (or in better terms; 'removal of weak links').

But Penn/Fulton seem to back the playing group very (very) heavily. As a result Penn threw in some new variables by completely swapping out the coaching dept, rather than the initial succession plan that was touted some years ago and late in the piece last year.

Now it's more murky. Is the new coaching department contributing anything positive? Does Seibold tend to overcomplicate his teams' defencive structures, or is it not complicated enough? Is the squad not passionate/stale, hence the decline in resilience/effort over the last year? There's a lot of extra variables at play now that will make it tougher to fix the issues we had/have. (Still early season though, so im writing this on the assumption things continue to trend as they are)

One things' for sure is that with trbo hampered we are lacking an ultra-competitive player. The team doesn't look excited to play, and has lost all sense of a killer instinct.

 

[winnyason]

Yeah I totally agree with that. The coach copping the blame for last season was a huge get out card for the players + recruitment. I had an embarrassing number of rants on here at the time but it wasn't neccessarily cause we had the messiah as coach (although I do think we had a good one), it was that I couldn't see any other coach in the NRL do a better job given the circumstances. Eg. how rudderless and weak the storm were without Munster this year. Even Wayne Bennett at least has the old storm forward pack motoring the dolphins team.

For mine it comes down to passion in the playing group, and recruitment (or in better terms; 'removal of weak links').

But Penn/Fulton seem to back the playing group very (very) heavily. As a result Penn threw in some new variables by completely swapping out the coaching dept, rather than the initial succession plan that was touted some years ago and late in the piece last year.

Now it's more murky. Is the new coaching department contributing anything positive? Does Seibold tend to overcomplicate his teams' defencive structures, or is it not complicated enough? Is the squad not passionate/stale, hence the decline in resilience/effort over the last year? There's a lot of extra variables at play now that will make it tougher to fix the issues we had/have. (Still early season though, so im writing this on the assumption things continue to trend as they are)

One things' for sure is that with trbo hampered we are lacking an ultra-competitive player. The team doesn't look excited to play, and has lost all sense of a killer instinct.

Yeah all those agree with.
Seibold can be a complete 9 ball from what I have heard. Needs to talk simple.
Recruitment needs an overhaul in past 4 seasons we let quality of Taupau, Afb, Joel Thompson, Api, dylan walker, Foz and even Brian Kelly go and replaced them essentially with tuilagi , Harper and Aloiai externally and then promoted internally Josh schuster and Olakau’atu and still have a 6 playing hooker.

 

[Bloke on the hill]

We have to many ****e players in our team that would not make bench of most other teams, yet week in week out we continue to pick them and reward them with contract extensions. Lucky for the Tigers otherwise the spoon would be ours.
Time to have hard discussions with DCE and Turbo as they are no longer $1 mil plus players.
Looks very very ugly!

The Tigers are the manly feeder club!

 

[Cameron]

This thread goes well with the sack Hasler and Sack Barrett ones

I always thought if this thread was started it would be by me.

But I disagree.

The fish rot from the head. We can't sack the chairman the gronk owns the joint but god I wish he would sell up

 

[Bloke on the hill]

I like Seibs & his coaching crew, he seems reasonable & calls it as it is.
I think he's aware of the roster & has an idea of where Manly will finish at year end. (sadly it's not holding the trophy).
He gives the young guys a chance with their careers.
But, the big picture is still that, the team plays great when Tom plays great!

 

[The Eagle Has Landed]

Not the coaches fault. You can't polish a turd.
All the great teams have a spine we don't.

 

[Budgie]

Seibold is playing with The Team That Des Built. It will take time.

 

[Wombat64]

Seibold is playing with The Team That Des Built. It will take time.

Agree. Defence is attitude and giving a ****. Attitude and playing for your mate is something the coach should be able to have a bit of control over. I was hoping to see an improvement in attitude and the early signs were good as for first few games we did see an improvement but 76 points against us in the last few games that has gone? Not sure why. Our Defence / attitude has been poor for years Barrett, Dessie and so far signs are not looking that good for Seibold and crew.

 

[winnyason]

Seibold is playing with The Team That Des Built. It will take time.

Yeap people need to take a chill pill.
* Yesterday showed we don't have an elite middle go forward. Jake is a workhorse 40 tackles and 120 metres. I be seriously considering releasing Aloiai if we could upgrade and Paseka and keppie are average.
Throwing money at Jwh ( given chase of flegler shows we have cap space) or trying to get Afb back.

• centres - luckily both Harper and Parker are off contract I simply not retain either. Harper is putrid and his missing assignment in first 3 minutes shows how out of his depth he is. Parker time to move on good against crap talent poor against good. Bring fletcher Myers up next year and sign another one.
• hooker - Croker out of his depth as simply as that. Upgrade here either internally or sign someone.
• tuilagi - putrid defender and a mediocre talent. Start Ben Turbo.

 

[Pete W]

Agree. Defence is attitude and giving a ****. Attitude and playing for your mate is something the coach should be able to have a bit of control over. I was hoping to see an improvement in attitude and the early signs were good as for first few games we did see an improvement but 76 points against us in the last few games that has gone? Not sure why. Our Defence / attitude has been poor for years Barrett, Dessie and so far signs are not looking that good for Seibold and crew.

And who's been the constant throughout these years? Penn off the field, and DCE on the field

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Look at the Dolphins. They have built their team from whoever they could sign. I don’t think they would be doing as well if Seibs was coaching them in place of Bennet. I have nothing against Seibold but he is the CEO and owner pick as coach. What I mean by this he is better at getting his points across at that level , than at player level. I am still hoping that I am wrong but I do not see him as as a significant upgrade above Des. ( never did)

 

[bob dylan]

Look at the Dolphins. They have built their team from whoever they could sign. I don’t think they would be doing as well if Seibs was coaching them in place of Bennet. I have nothing against Seibold but he is the CEO and owner pick as coach. What I mean by this he is better at getting his points across at that level , than at player level. I am still hoping that I am wrong but I do not see him as as a significant upgrade above Des. ( never did)

They recruited half the Storm pack.

Our brains trust recruit from Tigers.

But our CEO told us our roster is premiership quality, it was Des that was the problem.

 

[NREagle]

They recruited half the Storm pack.

Our brains trust recruit from Tigers.

But our CEO told us our roster is premiership quality, it was Des that was the problem.

Yeah think he may be regretting that comment.....

 

[bob dylan]

Yeah think he may be regretting that comment.....

People like him know they are always right, even when they are wrong.

Cant Understand Normal Thinking.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Yeap people need to take a chill pill.
* Yesterday showed we don't have an elite middle go forward. Jake is a workhorse 40 tackles and 120 metres. I be seriously considering releasing Aloiai if we could upgrade and Paseka and keppie are average.
Throwing money at Jwh ( given chase of flegler shows we have cap space) or trying to get Afb back.

• centres - luckily both Harper and Parker are off contract I simply not retain either. Harper is putrid and his missing assignment in first 3 minutes shows how out of his depth he is. Parker time to move on good against crap talent poor against good. Bring fletcher Myers up next year and sign another one.
• hooker - Croker out of his depth as simply as that. Upgrade here either internally or sign someone.
• tuilagi - putrid defender and a mediocre talent. Start Ben Turbo.

I would be giving the keys to Flanno right now as crazy as it sounds. He will do what needs to be done to turn things around. Seems like Seibold treads on eggshells and will just do what is necessary to please the players.
Nelson Solomona is off contract. I would sign him as to be the Ben Kennnedy 2.0 for manly.

 

[winnyason]

I would be giving the keys to Flanno right now as crazy as it sounds. He will do what needs to be done to turn things around.

Yeah he won a comp and is pretty good in roster management.

 

[Daddycool]

Penn could have chosen Flanagan as head coach but opted for Seibold instead. It’s far too early to say if it’s a failure. He deserves a full season in the role to be judged on his ability to handle the head coaching job.
I was of the opinion last year, our biggest issue was Des. I still believe that and moving on from him was a step in the right direction. After that though, the next biggest issue was Cherry Evans. Simply put, he rarely performs at a level expected of a player on top money like that.
So the coaching team, still need to contend with him and what he contributes. I would like to see some more positional changes but for the better. Not worse as Des would often do.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Penn could have chosen Flanagan as head coach but opted for Seibold instead. It’s far too early to say if it’s a failure. He deserves a full season in the role to be judged on his ability to handle the head coaching job.
I was of the opinion last year, our biggest issue was Des. I still believe that and moving on from him was a step in the right direction. After that though, the next biggest issue was Cherry Evans. Simply put, he rarely performs at a level expected of a player on top money like that.
So the coaching team, still need to contend with him and what he contributes. I would like to see some more positional changes but for the better. Not worse as Des would often do.

Agreed. I think the next move is to make Jake the Captain, much in the same way Flanno had Gallen as Captain of the Sharks. The attitude coincides with the performance. Jake puts in the hard yards and is leading by example every week, the same can't be said of DCE.

 

[Bomb Voyage]

My order of preference for coaches is: (1) Flanno > (2) Seibold > (3) Des. Not thrilled with the last few games but probably still too early. At least Seibs has made a few changes I feel Des never would have. With that said, I'd still prefer Flanno.