The Anthony Seibold Grievances MEGA THREAD

[BOZO]

To suggest we have standards and accountability is laughable. We are letting in almost 23 points per game with no improvement seen.

Show me a team with some pride in their line and Seibold can stay but he hasn't show any interest in fixing the issues.

There is one thing having standards and another thing being competent to meet those standards

Manly people dont like losing and i can emphasise with you frustration feathered friend
Its a long time between Great Manly premiership wins

 

[Disco]

Marquee, or players trending UP. Let's look at say (as example) our last 20 signings (to have played 1st grade) that aren't juniors coming through:

1. Tommy Talau
2. Jaxson Paulo (reserve grade)
3. Nathan Brown (injury prone)
4. Luke Brooks
5. Matt Lodge (injury prone)
6. Dean Matterson (reserve grade)
7. Jakob Arthur (reserve grade)
8. Ben Condon (reserve grade)
9. Samuela Fainu (gone)
10. Aaron Woods (reserve grade)
11. Kelma Tuilagi (gone)
12. Cooper Johns (gone)
13. James Roumanos (gone)
14. Ray Vaega (reserve grade)
15. James Segeyaro (gone)
16. Pio Seci (gone)
17. Ethan Bullemor
18. Christian Tuipulotu (gone)
19. Karl Lawton (going)
20. Jason Saab

Tell me, Disco, out of those 20, who is either marquee, or trending up? How's the strike rate been the last 10 years? How has that positioned us on average over that span? But now you're talking up Schoupp and Simpkin?

Firstly, I'm not defending anything, I'm talking our current recruitment and retention, what we are doing now, not what we did 2 or 3 years ago. I made my thoughts known at the time of each of those signings.

That list is a but haphazard IMO, Fainu was brought through, Vaega was not a signing. Segy, Roumanous, Matterson, Seci not top 30 signings.

But lets get your thoughts on some of them

We became much faster around the ruck. I love Croker. But I do think Karl should be 9

Love, love, LOVE your thinking mate !! No idea why we aren't giving Ray Vaega a go either tbh. Also Segeyaro for a shot.

There's hope for next season with some fantastic buys in Paulo / Brooks

Players who improved / impressed: Koula (hooly Dooly), Saab, DCE (amazing), Paseka, Olakau'atu, Burbo, Bullemor (was awesome this season)

Players who were a pleasant surprise: Sipley's improvement, Jakob Arthur (want him in the 17 next season - love him)

The metrics literally show James is a MUCH better prospect than Fainu (in both running metres and tackles) per minute. Boys and girls, we've just had a massive upgrade on a player we were all hurt to lose.

I have NO idea why we acquired Talau?

We have:
01. Tom Trbojevic
02. Jason Saab
03. Tolu Koula
04. Reuben Garrick
05. Jaxson Paulo

But then: 06. Christian Tuipulotu, 07. Ray Vaega, 08. Brad Parker, 09. Tommy Talau, 10. Clayton Faulalo, 11. Matterson.

My view: we should have kept Tuipulotu,

Below on Paulo

Thanks mate - same with you.

I think this kid could be anything. Okay, he's young and raw, but I see a bit of Latrell Mitchell in him. Get some Ennis, Snake, Dymock, Siebold into him, he'll come REAL good I reckon. We'd be beast on both wings

Don't forget Jake Arthur, kid could literally be anything.

He was like a shot of adrenaline exactly when we needed it, so kudos to Siebold for bringing him on at that exact time as well .

Nathan Brown is a beast. This is as good as I've ever seen him, against possibly the best pack in the entire league.

Mate, not sure if you missed, but I agree, and wrote that Talau, Brooks, Brown have been great, Waddell good,

Absolutely good **** with Jason Saab guys. Absolutely rate the fella.

5. Play Bullemor WAY more

 

[mave]

Firstly, I'm not defending anything, I'm talking our current recruitment and retention, what we are doing now, not what we did 2 or 3 years ago. I made my thoughts known at the time of each of those signings.

That list is a but haphazard IMO, Fainu was brought through, Vaega was not a signing. Segy, Roumanous, Matterson, Seci not top 30 signings.

But lets get your thoughts on some of them














Below on Paulo

Consistency is overrated

 

[Hertera]

Manly people dont like losing

I'm starting to doubt that. This last decade has made some of our supporters very comfortable with losing.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I think we went through this earlier and learned those teams with higher standards made the top 8 right ??

the 8 teams that win the most games make the top 8…what a club is and is not willing to accept is a completely different concept. You can have high standards in terms of work ethic and discipline and still get beaten by a number of other variables that are independent of ‘standards’; like the bounce of the ball, roster talent, injuries, and the list goes on.

The way you and Bozo talk about standards and accountability is very simplistic…almost like if Seibs just logged into the forum and read some of your posts, he would realise how foolish he’s been in his pitiful approach to coaching. He just needs the ‘will to win’, a cup of concrete, and some match highlights from 2008 and the results will turn 😂

 

[maxta]

the 8 teams that win the most games make the top 8…what a club is and is not willing to accept is a completely different concept. You can have high standards in terms of work ethic and discipline and still get beaten by a number of other variables that are independent of ‘standards’; like the bounce of the ball, roster talent, injuries, and the list goes on.

The way you and Bozo talk about standards and accountability is very simplistic…almost like if Seibs just logged into the forum and read some of your posts, he would realise how foolish he’s been in his pitiful approach to coaching. He just needs the ‘will to win’, a cup of concrete, and some match highlights from 2008 and the results will turn 😂

The way you talk about accountability and standards would have coach Barrett licking his lips 😅
As far as Seibold reading my posts, I reckon would see it complimentary , just an opinion of improvement which is what a footy site should be or why have it ?

 

[LeonardCohen]

, just an opinion of improvement which is what a footy site should be or why have it ?

Footy site should definitely have opinions and I’m giving mine, just as you did

 

[maxta]

Footy site should definitely have opinions and I’m giving mine, just as you did

All is good mate....and on most points I like your opinion, have a good night champ

 

[mave]

the 8 teams that win the most games make the top 8…what a club is and is not willing to accept is a completely different concept. You can have high standards in terms of work ethic and discipline and still get beaten by a number of other variables that are independent of ‘standards’; like the bounce of the ball, roster talent, injuries, and the list goes on.

The way you and Bozo talk about standards and accountability is very simplistic…almost like if Seibs just logged into the forum and read some of your posts, he would realise how foolish he’s been in his pitiful approach to coaching. He just needs the ‘will to win’, a cup of concrete, and some match highlights from 2008 and the results will turn 😂

No worse than "weapons", "breaking out of the pack", "the Manly Way" or whatever other bullsht buzzwords Seibold treats us sausage roll eaters to every press conference.....in fact one might think it's infinitely better. At least our posters are actively agitating for a change in approach.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

What troubles me is that this side loses games it should win and defensively out wide we are aweful. These issues have not been fixed. Another problem is we can’t string together a series of back to back wins. Is that the coach’s fault? I believe the buck stops with the coach.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Are you asking us to be satisfied with 11th - 13th? Because we beat Storm? And the competition is tough ? It's tough for 16 other teams as well.

But here we are, 10 years in the making, averaging 10th / 11th over that span. And it's simplistic to suggest we are soft you say ? I think it's prudent tbh. Defense sets the tone for many things, i.e. willingness to fight with and for each other, mental toughness, intensity, effort. Most other things fall off the back of that. Soft is the perfect analogy of this playing group, because our defense is laughable.

Like you appropriately say, everyone's entitled to their opinions. But I just can't get my head around all the satisfaction, contentment, and with some, even praise for our position and situation? It defies belief for me. We've become a club encumbered by excuses makers and excuse providers, and excuse acceptors.

BUT, here we are. Could finish 13th at rounds end. I just struggle to find the positives in that. But I'm sure there will be plenty here to share.

No I don't ask you to be satisfied with 11th-13th.
And I don't ask you to cheer for soft players who don't give 100% (besides, everyone knows in rugby league you have to give 110%)

Now a question for you... who has more to do with the Bulldog's resurgence: Ciraldo or Arthur Laundie?
Another question: if our pack included JFH, Api, Yeo and Cam Murray, would our defence improve?
And one more if you're up for it (!) ... if Seibold whipped our current players harder at training, and criticised them more at press conferences, would they soon be as good as JFH, Api, Yeo and Murray?

Like you I'm a rusted on Manly supporter but for the sake of our mental well-being I'd hate to see that ruin anyone's week (or year or decade!)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

The Penrith game Manly were on top from the outset actually winning contacts and contests across the field.
Penrith were not really in it - Manly dominated from the start so didn't get to a "tough" game
Roosters were clunky and it was simply Roosters outdone by the better team.

You seem to be answering your own question! Even top teams with great players and highly rated coaches get outplayed at times.
And yes Manly gets outplayed at times, and I wish they didn't!
So Go Manly, its your day so let's thrash Saints this arvo!

 

[ManlyTragic]

What troubles me is that this side loses games it should win and defensively out wide we are aweful. These issues have not been fixed. Another problem is we can’t string together a series of back to back wins. Is that the coach’s fault? I believe the buck stops with the coach.

In most organisations it is the CEO! Who selected the coach? You can’t blame the coach if he has under performing employees, can you ?

Just sayin’

 

[maxta]

You seem to be answering your own question! Even top teams with great players and highly rated coaches get outplayed at times.
And yes Manly gets outplayed at times, and I wish they didn't!
So Go Manly, its your day so let's thrash Saints this arvo!

I didn't have a question, so your a little confused....simply stated the win over Melbourne showed far more resilience than the Roosters or Penrith game.
So can we move on and share the positive about thrashing the Saints today 👍

 

[GeneralToovey]

We haven’t lost a game all year by more than 2 scores!!!

Apparently under the Seibold era that is something to be proud of and gloat about!!

it’s The Manly Way!!!!

A results driven business!!

Sack this fool now!!

Fair call. We have conceded a substantial lead on 2 occasions this season, lost 2 games we should have won, have mismanaged the roster, and are not playing with that traditionally uncompromising Manly approach. For me, no finals equals the appointment of a new coach.

 

[double hoops]

God Siebold is a good coach!!

 

[nightster]

There is some humble pie in your soup

 

[47MVEagle]

So what is it this week?

Sack Seibold or Seibold is the new messiah?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

So what is it this week?

Sack Seibold or Seibold is the new messiah?

I'll let you know after I see the press conference

 

[Dion Johnson]

So what is it this week?

Sack Seibold or Seibold is the new messiah?

There would have been a few calling for his head if the team lost that game despite the injuries.